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133 is 13,300％ of 1, and 1 increasing to 133 is a 13,200％ increase.

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saxitoxin wrote:This new CDC study published on JAMA shows the risk of myocarditis following mRNA COVID vaccination is around 133 times greater than the background risk in the population.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2788346

CDC wrote:Conclusions and Relevance Based on passive surveillance reporting in the US, the risk of myocarditis after receiving mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines was increased across multiple age and sex strata and was highest after the second vaccination dose in adolescent males and young men. This risk should be considered in the context of the benefits of COVID-19 vaccination.

(JP4F incoming in 3 ... 2 ...)

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DirtyDishSoap wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:This new CDC study published on JAMA shows the risk of myocarditis following mRNA COVID vaccination is around 133 times greater than the background risk in the population.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2788346

SMELLY...STOOPID!...LOL!...FAKER!

the actual article wrote:Of the 96% (784/813) of cases of myocarditis who were hospitalized, 98% (747/762) were discharged from the hospital at time of review. In 87% (577/661) of discharged cases of myocarditis, there was resolution of the presenting symptoms by hospital discharge.

Those with myocarditis symptoms who died number a tiny fraction of the rate dying from the contagion, hence doctors continue to administer the vaccine. Not difficult.

JdeV 100 wrote:

DirtyDishSoap wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:This new CDC study published on JAMA shows the risk of myocarditis following mRNA COVID vaccination is around 133 times greater than the background risk in the population.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2788346

SMELLY...STOOPID!...LOL!...FAKER!

the actual article wrote:Of the 96% (784/813) of cases of myocarditis who were hospitalized, 98% (747/762) were discharged from the hospital at time of review. In 87% (577/661) of discharged cases of myocarditis, there was resolution of the presenting symptoms by hospital discharge.

Those with myocarditis symptoms who died number a tiny fraction of the rate dying from the contagion, hence doctors continue to administer the vaccine. Not difficult.

These numbers are unseen in any previous class of Vax. And just 12 months ago they were claiming they didn't even exist. How awful will they look with the benefit of another 12 months of data?

100% of myocarditis cases are serious. There is no mild myocarditis. The fact most people survived with - almost certainly - years shaved off their life expectancy is not the strongest marketing line for the Vax Extremists.

100% of myocarditis cases are serious. There is no mild myocarditis. The fact most people survived with - almost certainly - years shaved off their life expectancy is not the strongest marketing line for the Vax Extremists.

your article wrote:However, the onset of myocarditis symptoms after exposure to a potential immunological trigger was shorter for COVID-19 vaccine–associated cases of myocarditis than is typical for myocarditis cases diagnosed after a viral illness.24-26 Cases of myocarditis reported after COVID-19 vaccination were typically diagnosed within days of vaccination, whereas cases of typical viral myocarditis can often have indolent courses with symptoms sometimes present for weeks to months after a trigger if the cause is ever identified.1 The major presenting symptoms appeared to resolve faster in cases of myocarditis after COVID-19 vaccination than in typical viral cases of myocarditis. Even though almost all individuals with cases of myocarditis were hospitalized and clinically monitored, they typically experienced symptomatic recovery after receiving only pain management. In contrast, typical viral cases of myocarditis can have a more variable clinical course. For example, up to 6% of typical viral myocarditis cases in adolescents require a heart transplant or result in mortality.27

Since you go to the trouble of citing a journal only to spin the data, and I quoted that very article, please could you post sources that can persuade me of your statistical analysis. And by all means ask me for some sources that dispute yours, if you need any.

could you post sources that can persuade me

Doubtful. You're in a cult.

JdeV 100 wrote:And by all means ask me for some sources that dispute yours, if you need any.

Sure. Pop a few Nitroglycerin tablets to keep your critically impaired heart pumping and go ahead. Since science evolves it should be dated more recently than the date of the CDC study that shows a 133 factor increase in myocarditis.

No wonder Sweden has banned the vax in children. Good decision since it has a 133 factor increase in permanent cardiovascular damage.

JdeV 100 wrote:

100% of myocarditis cases are serious. There is no mild myocarditis. The fact most people survived with - almost certainly - years shaved off their life expectancy is not the strongest marketing line for the Vax Extremists.

your article wrote:However, the onset of myocarditis symptoms after exposure to a potential immunological trigger was shorter for COVID-19 vaccine–associated cases of myocarditis than is typical for myocarditis cases diagnosed after a viral illness.24-26 Cases of myocarditis reported after COVID-19 vaccination were typically diagnosed within days of vaccination, whereas cases of typical viral myocarditis can often have indolent courses with symptoms sometimes present for weeks to months after a trigger if the cause is ever identified.1 The major presenting symptoms appeared to resolve faster in cases of myocarditis after COVID-19 vaccination than in typical viral cases of myocarditis. Even though almost all individuals with cases of myocarditis were hospitalized and clinically monitored, they typically experienced symptomatic recovery after receiving only pain management. In contrast, typical viral cases of myocarditis can have a more variable clinical course. For example, up to 6% of typical viral myocarditis cases in adolescents require a heart transplant or result in mortality.27

These aren't the gotcha quotes you think they are.

"Take the vax and your heart will be permanently damaged but not bad enough you'll need a transplant ... usually."

could you post sources that can persuade me

Doubtful. You're in a cult.

That's just a lame refusal. You said most people survive with years shaved off, and I should mention that the people under discussion are those who experienced symptoms of myocarditis, and quoted the relevant part of the article you had cited, so that you could acknowledge the particulars. You must have no respect for yourself.

JdeV 100 wrote:And by all means ask me for some sources that dispute yours, if you need any.

Sure. Pop a few Nitroglycerin tablets to keep your critically impaired heart pumping and go ahead. Since science evolves it should be dated more recently than the date of the CDC study that shows a 133 factor increase in myocarditis.

No wonder Sweden has banned the vax in children. Good decision since it has a 133 factor increase in permanent cardiovascular damage.

At this point your indifference does speak for itself, but it was the gleeful cult-like celebration of another poster that prompted this engagement. Ah, well. You, do you.

JdeV 100 wrote:You must have no respect for yourself.

says the guy with a time bomb in his chest

Here's my weekly reminder!

• I got COVID-19 during Biden's "Winter of Severe Illness and Death for the Unvaccinated" while totally unvaccinated and had neither severe illness or death.

↘

A fourth shot of the COVID-19 vaccine may be in your future, but it’s too early to tell right now, according to Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/202 ... t-possible

JdeV 100 wrote:

the actual article wrote:Of the 96% (784/813) of cases of myocarditis who were hospitalized, 98% (747/762) were discharged from the hospital at time of review. In 87% (577/661) of discharged cases of myocarditis, there was resolution of the presenting symptoms by hospital discharge.

Those with myocarditis symptoms who died number a tiny fraction of the rate dying from the contagion, hence doctors continue to administer the vaccine. Not difficult.

It's worth noting that 96% of the cases of myocarditis resulting from vaccination were hospitalized. There were questions the other day about direct evidence of vaccinated individuals ever needing hospitalization. Here is an article pointing out a significant (where I use "significant" in the statistical sense and not as a synonym for "large number") number of individuals requiring hospitalization *because of the vaccine*. 98% of those hospitalized individuals had recovered and been discharged from the hospital as of the time of the study, though 2% were still hospitalized, requiring ongoing care. Fortunately, none died.

As with any study, one can draw quite a number of different conclusions from this data. You can use it to say that the most serious side effect of the vaccine has not resulted in any deaths. Or you could say that the rate of this particular side effect is dramatically increased by the vaccine. Let me suggest another approach. The incidences of myocarditis are primarily occurring in people under the age of 25 (roughly 650 cases identified). We know that almost all of those were hospitalized. This study covered the period of December 2020 through August 2021. However, the number of hospitalizations of young people for covid over that same timeframe was roughly 2000 (I can try to get a more exact number if you like - the CDC data tables by age group don't exactly line up for an apples-to-apples comparison, so I'm estimating and extrapolating a small amount here). A reasonable fraction of those were vaccinated. Covid deaths among people in this age group are also incredibly rare.

Again, you can read these facts a number of different ways, and I fully respect someone who comes to the conclusion that the risks of the vaccine are negligible. Personally, I have concluded that for young people, especially teenage males, especially those in very good health with no other comorbidities, the risks of the vaccine are comparable to or greater than the risks associated with covid. As such, we are not vaccinating our kids.

Doc_Brown wrote:Personally, I have concluded that for young people, especially teenage males, especially those in very good health with no other comorbidities, the risks of the vaccine are comparable to or greater than the risks associated with covid. As such, we are not vaccinating our kids.

This is a decision that is scientifically-informed. The risk of 12-15 year old healthy boys experiencing cardiac adverse events such as myocarditis after their second dose of the Pfizer vax is four times adolescents’ risk of being admitted to hospital as a result of infection with COVID-19 [https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1]. Not vaccinating them is consistent with the advice of the Swedish health ministry (even if pathologically disputed by the Vax Extremists at Pfizer's subsidiary, the CDC.)

In the two years since the start of the pandemic, 748 U18s have died of COVID-19 (more than 90% of whom had underlying conditions such as cancer or diabetes). In the same period of time more than 8,000 of that same age group committed suicide. COVID-19 presents essentially no risk to healthy U18s. People who want to vaccinate children are doing it for their own protection, not that of the children. They are happy to selfishly sacrifice children for their own comfort. It's the Hunger Games in real life.

saxitoxin wrote:This new CDC study published on JAMA shows the risk of myocarditis following mRNA COVID vaccination is around 133 times greater than the background risk in the population.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2788346

CDC wrote:Conclusions and Relevance Based on passive surveillance reporting in the US, the risk of myocarditis after receiving mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines was increased across multiple age and sex strata and was highest after the second vaccination dose in adolescent males and young men. This risk should be considered in the context of the benefits of COVID-19 vaccination.

(JP4F incoming in 3 ... 2 ...)

saxitoxin wrote:

Doc_Brown wrote:Personally, I have concluded that for young people, especially teenage males, especially those in very good health with no other comorbidities, the risks of the vaccine are comparable to or greater than the risks associated with covid. As such, we are not vaccinating our kids.

This is a decision that is scientifically-informed. The risk of 12-15 year old healthy boys experiencing cardiac adverse events such as myocarditis after their second dose of the Pfizer vax is four times adolescents’ risk of being admitted to hospital as a result of infection with COVID-19 [https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1]. Not vaccinating them is consistent with the advice of the Swedish health ministry (even if pathologically disputed by the Vax Extremists at Pfizer's subsidiary, the CDC.)

In the two years since the start of the pandemic, 748 U18s have died of COVID-19 (more than 90% of whom had underlying conditions such as cancer or diabetes). In the same period of time more than 8,000 of that same age group committed suicide. COVID-19 presents essentially no risk to healthy U18s. People who want to vaccinate children are doing it for their own protection, not that of the children. They are happy to selfishly sacrifice children for their own comfort. It's the Hunger Games in real life.

Quite the shapeshift!
Doc Brown, I don't know why you wouldn't address the issue of the political misrepresentation of all that data in the original post. What you've written is helpful but on its own it feels as if you are also happy to be the touchstone for his callous input.

JdeV 100 wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:This new CDC study published on JAMA shows the risk of myocarditis following mRNA COVID vaccination is around 133 times greater than the background risk in the population.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2788346

CDC wrote:Conclusions and Relevance Based on passive surveillance reporting in the US, the risk of myocarditis after receiving mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines was increased across multiple age and sex strata and was highest after the second vaccination dose in adolescent males and young men. This risk should be considered in the context of the benefits of COVID-19 vaccination.

(JP4F incoming in 3 ... 2 ...)

saxitoxin wrote:

Doc_Brown wrote:Personally, I have concluded that for young people, especially teenage males, especially those in very good health with no other comorbidities, the risks of the vaccine are comparable to or greater than the risks associated with covid. As such, we are not vaccinating our kids.

This is a decision that is scientifically-informed. The risk of 12-15 year old healthy boys experiencing cardiac adverse events such as myocarditis after their second dose of the Pfizer vax is four times adolescents’ risk of being admitted to hospital as a result of infection with COVID-19 [https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1]. Not vaccinating them is consistent with the advice of the Swedish health ministry (even if pathologically disputed by the Vax Extremists at Pfizer's subsidiary, the CDC.)

In the two years since the start of the pandemic, 748 U18s have died of COVID-19 (more than 90% of whom had underlying conditions such as cancer or diabetes). In the same period of time more than 8,000 of that same age group committed suicide. COVID-19 presents essentially no risk to healthy U18s. People who want to vaccinate children are doing it for their own protection, not that of the children. They are happy to selfishly sacrifice children for their own comfort. It's the Hunger Games in real life.

Quite the shapeshift!

Why do you hate science and children?

During today's Rams game, Magic Johnson, who is over 60, clinically obese, and has HIV/AIDS --- basically a walking COVID-19 corpse, if you're to believe the hype --- was chilling unmasked with King Gavin and 70,000 of his closest unmasked friends.

Pandemic is now over.

The Supreme Administrative Court of the Czech Republic has declared as unconstitutional a government edict that only vaccinated persons can enter clubs, hotels, and restaurants.

The measure violated the Czech constitution's Bill of Rights, Chapter 2, Division 1, Article 7: "The inviolability of the person and of his private life is guaranteed."

By restricting access, despite the fact the vaccinated can spread COVID-19 just like the unvaccinated, the government was not acting to stop spread of a disease but rather to coerce the public into a medical procedure. The court ruled that "measures cannot aim to indirectly force citizens to be vaccinated."

https://www.novinky.cz/domaci/clanek/so ... i-40385872

This post is part of my commitment to FULL TRANSPARENCY about my medical status since it is the subject of much interest by the Conquer Club community. As a CC treasure, I know many people are interested in my condition and wellness.

To recap --- I tested POSITIVE for COVID-19 about five weeks ago.

Today, on a lark, I got an antibody test.

I TESTED NEGATIVE on the antibody test, meaning I have NO antibodies against COVID-19 - or at least no detectable antibodies.

Possibilities:

1- I never had COVID-19 in the first place and got a false positive on my test.

• I feel this is unlikely since I was (mildly) symptomatic (sore throat) and eliminated the possibility of strep throat with a throat culture. So I feel like, between the test and the symptoms, it's probably likely I had it.

2- The antibody test generated a false negative.

• Apparently this can occur but only occurs about 1% of the time. But maybe I'm that 1 percent.

3 - I had COVID-19 but have already disposed of all antibodies.

• I found a study from November 2020 that said about 25% of people who have mild COVID-19 symptoms never develop antibodies.

My plan is to wait a week and get a second antibody test from a different tester. If that also comes back negative I'll then get vaccinated once Novavax is authorized by the FDA, which may occur in early March or maybe sooner (they submitted their application on January 31). If Novavax is not approved, I won't get vaccinated.

saxitoxin wrote:This post is part of my commitment to FULL TRANSPARENCY about my medical status since it is the subject of much interest by the Conquer Club community. As a CC treasure, I know many people are interested in my condition and wellness.

To recap --- I tested POSITIVE for COVID-19 about five weeks ago.

Today, on a lark, I got an antibody test.

I TESTED NEGATIVE on the antibody test, meaning I have NO antibodies against COVID-19 - or at least no detectable antibodies.

Possibilities:

1- I never had COVID-19 in the first place and got a false positive on my test.

• I feel this is unlikely since I was (mildly) symptomatic (sore throat) and eliminated the possibility of strep throat with a throat culture. So I feel like, between the test and the symptoms, it's probably likely I had it.

2- The antibody test generated a false negative.

• Apparently this can occur but only occurs about 1% of the time. But maybe I'm that 1 percent.

3 - I had COVID-19 but have already disposed of all antibodies.

• I found a study from November 2020 that said about 25% of people who have mild COVID-19 symptoms never develop antibodies.

My plan is to wait a week and get a second antibody test from a different tester. If that also comes back negative I'll then get vaccinated once Novavax is authorized by the FDA, which may occur in early March or maybe sooner (they submitted their application on January 31). If Novavax is not approved, I won't get vaccinated.

Currently buying Novovax calls for Sept expiry

mookiemcgee wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:This post is part of my commitment to FULL TRANSPARENCY about my medical status since it is the subject of much interest by the Conquer Club community. As a CC treasure, I know many people are interested in my condition and wellness.

To recap --- I tested POSITIVE for COVID-19 about five weeks ago.

Today, on a lark, I got an antibody test.

I TESTED NEGATIVE on the antibody test, meaning I have NO antibodies against COVID-19 - or at least no detectable antibodies.

Possibilities:

1- I never had COVID-19 in the first place and got a false positive on my test.

• I feel this is unlikely since I was (mildly) symptomatic (sore throat) and eliminated the possibility of strep throat with a throat culture. So I feel like, between the test and the symptoms, it's probably likely I had it.

2- The antibody test generated a false negative.

• Apparently this can occur but only occurs about 1% of the time. But maybe I'm that 1 percent.

3 - I had COVID-19 but have already disposed of all antibodies.

• I found a study from November 2020 that said about 25% of people who have mild COVID-19 symptoms never develop antibodies.

My plan is to wait a week and get a second antibody test from a different tester. If that also comes back negative I'll then get vaccinated once Novavax is authorized by the FDA, which may occur in early March or maybe sooner (they submitted their application on January 31). If Novavax is not approved, I won't get vaccinated.

Currently buying Novovax calls for Sept expiry

Why on Earth are you buying calls? You think Novavax is gonna turn this ship around?

Their formula is more effective against Omicron than anyone else but it seems like it's a non-starter given how mild Omicron is ... if Omicron were deadlier they might have something. This seems like a poorly run company.

Can we just take a step back and appreciate just how great I am?

Can't see a reason not to. You're almost as good as this breakfast treat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epxD075HgQo

Almost as good? The hell am i lacking?!

The wiener in the video isn't twisted.

Ladies haven't complained about my twisted warhead. They think it's both new and fun.

saxitoxin wrote:This post is part of my commitment to FULL TRANSPARENCY about my medical status since it is the subject of much interest by the Conquer Club community. As a CC treasure, I know many people are interested in my condition and wellness.

To recap --- I tested POSITIVE for COVID-19 about five weeks ago.

Today, on a lark, I got an antibody test.

I TESTED NEGATIVE on the antibody test, meaning I have NO antibodies against COVID-19 - or at least no detectable antibodies.

Possibilities:

1- I never had COVID-19 in the first place and got a false positive on my test.

• I feel this is unlikely since I was (mildly) symptomatic (sore throat) and eliminated the possibility of strep throat with a throat culture. So I feel like, between the test and the symptoms, it's probably likely I had it.

2- The antibody test generated a false negative.

• Apparently this can occur but only occurs about 1% of the time. But maybe I'm that 1 percent.

3 - I had COVID-19 but have already disposed of all antibodies.

• I found a study from November 2020 that said about 25% of people who have mild COVID-19 symptoms never develop antibodies.

My plan is to wait a week and get a second antibody test from a different tester. If that also comes back negative I'll then get vaccinated once Novavax is authorized by the FDA, which may occur in early March or maybe sooner (they submitted their application on January 31). If Novavax is not approved, I won't get vaccinated.

----------Come on , You're going to put your trust in A Government organization, and science....When it is clear GOD is watching over you....Stop that talk....Put your Trust and Faith that GOD and the natural immunity HE gave Mankind will see you through this manmade crap from China,and Fauci... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...