Conquer Club

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mpjh wrote:Read the post.

There didn't seem to be much point to it.

Napoleon Ier wrote:I know a fervent atheist who absolutely refuses to believe evolution. Clever person too.

Idiot too.

Snorri, snorri... where's that famous open mind of yours, eh? Why the intellectual fascism?

Napoleon Ier wrote:Snorri, snorri... where's that famous open mind of yours, eh? Why the intellectual fascism?

What on earth would any atheist believe in if it wasn't evolution?

Snorri1234 wrote:

Napoleon Ier wrote:Snorri, snorri... where's that famous open mind of yours, eh? Why the intellectual fascism?

What on earth would any atheist believe in if it wasn't evolution?

That we're still waiting for a biological Galileo, just like Dawkins still thinks we need to wait for a cosmological Darwin.

I don't see any need to wait to take up the fact that evolution is how live on earth originated and developed.

mpjh wrote:I don't see any need to wait to take up the fact that evolution is how live on earth originated and developed.

That's not to say all intelligent people mustn't see this need either.

Double negative -- good way to be ambiguous and foggy.

Napoleon Ier wrote:

Snorri1234 wrote:

Napoleon Ier wrote:Snorri, snorri... where's that famous open mind of yours, eh? Why the intellectual fascism?

What on earth would any atheist believe in if it wasn't evolution?

That we're still waiting for a biological Galileo, just like Dawkins still thinks we need to wait for a cosmological Darwin.

Seems to me that there's a very limited number of possibilities when it comes to the origins of life. Given that life exists on this planet and you are unsure of its origin, the only possible explanations are that

A: something put us on this planet. This accounts for Creationism and Scientology. It's really only a dodge though, as that doesn't explain the origins of life, it just says that life didn't originate on this planet.

B: life came from something that wasn't living on this planet. This would go along with the Theory of Evolution.

C: life always existed on this planet. This isn't even logically coherent. If life has always existed, it would have been here since either the "start" of the universe or an infinite amount of time. But, if it has existed for an infinite amount of time then how has that much time passed? The concept of "infinite time" doesn't really mix well with the mechanics of time.

The start of the universe bit is the only option aside that seems to not be entirely outrageous, and it still seems very odd.

Those are not the only possibilities. It is possible that life began on this planet of its own accord. There is interesting work that hypothesizes that DNA, and subsequently life, developed from naturally occuring chemicals between the layers of mica stone. Chemicals and stone to life.

I like to play devil's advocate(noticed the pun? ) so I'll take the pro-creator side for now.

I skipped 290 pages so I might have missed something, but here goes anyway:

Evolution makes sense, life can form from un-organic life, blah blah blah but how do we explain the formation of the universe? Sure we have the big bang theory, but what formed the big bang? Why can't there have been an intelligent creator that designed a universal law and system that eventually formed into what we know now?

Frigidus wrote:We need to advertise this thread or something, get some new blood in here. Jay did his part, but he isn't an intellectual Rambo. We need more people on the other side of the argument! Same goes for the evolution thread.

How dare you? Jay is every bit as intellectual as Rambo.

Ahhh, give him some credit. he is a bit more intellectual than Rambo -- wait -- Rambo is rich from making movies -- well -- let's just say Rambo is smarter if not more intellectual.

Lev306 wrote:Evolution makes sense, life can form from un-organic life, blah blah blah but how do we explain the formation of the universe? Sure we have the big bang theory, but what formed the big bang? Why can't there have been an intelligent creator that designed a universal law and system that eventually formed into what we know now?

Not to sound like an ignoramus or anything, but we're working on it.
The formula to date works better WITHOUT there being a GOD. At least with the accepted version of events, one day we can actually answer that question. Besides, you could ask that very question of a GOD.

I don't understand this new Christian arguement of "Yes everything evolved, yes the big bang was real, but there was still a GOD." That's saying two opposite things. "Sure everything has been proven to happen naturally, but that's because our GOD made it that way."

mpjh wrote:Those are not the only possibilities. It is possible that life began on this planet of its own accord. There is interesting work that hypothesizes that DNA, and subsequently life, developed from naturally occuring chemicals between the layers of mica stone. Chemicals and stone to life.

I think that was implied in B. Or at least, it is a theory for the origin of life about the same as B.

Exactly how it happened is up for debate, but one must note that that has nothing to do with the theory of evolution. Origin of life is not a part of the theory.

This thread...

Lev306 wrote:I like to play devil's advocate(noticed the pun? ) so I'll take the pro-creator side for now.

I skipped 290 pages so I might have missed something, but here goes anyway:

Evolution makes sense, life can form from un-organic life, blah blah blah but how do we explain the formation of the universe? Sure we have the big bang theory, but what formed the big bang? Why can't there have been an intelligent creator that designed a universal law and system that eventually formed into what we know now?

I know that was the cave-man's initial explanation for anything unknown. "If I don't understand it, god did it." However, we have learned a lot since then. We now know that the world is not flat, the earth orbits around the sun. There is more than one galaxy. The universe is expanding at an expanding rate. etc.etc.

Science is all about the quest for answers to the unknown, and the process has been accelerating ever since the Arabs invented Algebra. So join in hte quest, join modern man.

Wait.. the earth orbits the sun? surely not...

My two cents.........

"You think that it's not magic that keeps you alive? Just 'cause you understand the mechanics of how something works, doesn't make it any less of a miracle...which is just another word for magic. We're all kept alive by magic, Sookie. My magic's just a little different from yours, that's all."

Bill to Sookie in True Blood

"Do forgive me if I'm wrong. But isn't that a load of old bollocks?"
Mel Smith

jonesthecurl wrote:"Do forgive me if I'm wrong. But isn't that a load of old bollocks?"
Mel Smith

"If we reach out to one another we can coexist and even thrive together."
Bill

mpjh wrote:

Lev306 wrote:
Science is all about the quest for answers to the unknown, and the process has been accelerating ever since the Arabs invented Algebra.

They really didn't.

Snorri1234 wrote:

mpjh wrote:Those are not the only possibilities. It is possible that life began on this planet of its own accord. There is interesting work that hypothesizes that DNA, and subsequently life, developed from naturally occuring chemicals between the layers of mica stone. Chemicals and stone to life.

I think that was implied in B. Or at least, it is a theory for the origin of life about the same as B.

Exactly how it happened is up for debate, but one must note that that has nothing to do with the theory of evolution. Origin of life is not a part of the theory.

Where does spacetime come from though? Aha! Aha indeed...

Napoleon Ier wrote:

mpjh wrote:

Lev306 wrote:
Science is all about the quest for answers to the unknown, and the process has been accelerating ever since the Arabs invented Algebra.

They really didn't.

yes they did