Conquer Club

I stopped a guy for speeding. I saw that he was arrogant and cocky. I did a background check and saw he had many high end cars. I told the man that his problem was his cars. We talked and I said I would unburden him by buying his cars.

He gave me his cars at his house the next day. I saw that his house was overadorned. His gardens were pristinely tended and he had more servants than he needed. I wanted to help him out, so I told him that i would take the cars and sell them and hold the money until his financial management was better in order.

He was evil and the places i invested his money in were stained by his connection. All was lost and heavily leveraged. Fortunately, seeing his taint, I had lent some of his money to my portfolio and was able to acquire his property with my earnings. This allowed me to be more active in teaching him to manage his affairs. Of course, he had already corrupted his children with his ways. So I put them into my service and taught them discipline.

After all I have done to him, it is only righteous that my justice is swift when his heart rescinds to his wickedness.

patrickaa317 wrote:saxi - you may have missed it but there is a question for you at the bottom of the last page.

Saxi! Are you ignoring me?

Metsfanmax wrote:Yeah and Hamas also violated the 5-hour ceasefire the other day by firing rockets into Israel but saxi conveniently left that out because apparently it's only possible for him to support an idealized version of the Palestinians instead of the ones they actually have (and therefore the ones who actually need the support).

Even your OWN narrow version of events has Israel killing hundreds, displaced tens of THOUSANDS of NON-COMBATANTS in response to rockets that mostly did some property damage.

Reports make a big deal of Irael giving "warning" to people to evacuate... but ignore that 2 minutes is hardly enough time to get old people/children out of any house, never mind any kind of belongings. Also, where are the people to go? Many are being hit in what were supposed to be safe refuges.


Even if action is justified, Israel far exceeded that of a civilized society in its response.

AND... that doesn't even get into the history of what options do the Palestinians really have? Israel has delayed over 60 years in allowing them anything close to independence... preferring to keep the ENTIRE SOCIETY in what were basically magnanimous prison camps (because they dared to object to the takeover of what had been their land entirely), finally shunting them off into utterly unviable states.

PLAYER57832 wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:Yeah and Hamas also violated the 5-hour ceasefire the other day by firing rockets into Israel but saxi conveniently left that out because apparently it's only possible for him to support an idealized version of the Palestinians instead of the ones they actually have (and therefore the ones who actually need the support).

Even your OWN narrow version of events has Israel killing hundreds, displaced tens of THOUSANDS of NON-COMBATANTS in response to rockets that mostly did some property damage.

I don't have a "version of events." Y'all really need to stop discussing arguments as if they can only be evaluated by understanding the political beliefs of the person making the argument. If I say that Hamas violated the ceasefire in response to a claim that Israel did the same, that's not an endorsement or rejection of either side. It's just an attempt to set a level playing field for the discussion. I generally agree with saxi's opinion on who are in the right on this conflict. However, the arguments saxi makes in favor of why Israel is bad are so logically inconsistent, and so extremely partisan and one-sided, that I can't condone it silently. If Israel is as bad as he says it is, he shouldn't need to engage in poor argumentative tactics to prove it.

Took only 2 posts to completely derail this thread.
*takes a bow and exits stage left

Metsfanmax wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:Yeah and Hamas also violated the 5-hour ceasefire the other day by firing rockets into Israel but saxi conveniently left that out because apparently it's only possible for him to support an idealized version of the Palestinians instead of the ones they actually have (and therefore the ones who actually need the support).

Even your OWN narrow version of events has Israel killing hundreds, displaced tens of THOUSANDS of NON-COMBATANTS in response to rockets that mostly did some property damage.

I don't have a "version of events." Y'all really need to stop discussing arguments as if they can only be evaluated by understanding the political beliefs of the person making the argument. If I say that Hamas violated the ceasefire in response to a claim that Israel did the same, that's not an endorsement or rejection of either side. It's just an attempt to set a level playing field for the discussion. I generally agree with saxi's opinion on who are in the right on this conflict. However, the arguments saxi makes in favor of why Israel is bad are so logically inconsistent, and so extremely partisan and one-sided, that I can't condone it silently. If Israel is as bad as he says it is, he shouldn't need to engage in poor argumentative tactics to prove it.

I agree, that saxi often exaggerates or even goes way off base. However, when you bring up a comparison like that as if it were equal and its so patently unequal, then you do leave yourself open to criticism

Your response indicated that you considered the initial firing of rockets to be identical to the targeting of RESCUERS by snipers AFTER a bombing had already occurred?

Not mention, you compare the initial attack of rockets on houses and businesses that may or may not be occupied, rockets that often time miss, fired by only very loosely controlled militants from a poorly organized state to be identical to the highly targeted and extremely destructive, highly trained Israeli forces... then followed by highly controlled and trained snipers?

Here is the thing ... we have a HUGE Problem with meth labs and other criminals in our country. More deaths, more damage is caused by these druggies than by any Palestinian. Still, I don't see any calls, yet, to have our military start bombing the towns because the mayors cannot control the populations.

PLAYER57832 wrote:Here is the thing ... we have a HUGE Problem with meth labs and other criminals in our country. More deaths, more damage is caused by these druggies than by any Palestinian. Still, I don't see any calls, yet, to have our military start bombing the towns because the mayors cannot control the populations.

http://globalgrind.com/2013/09/26/11-things-you-didnt-know-about-the-time-police-bombed-an-american-neighborhood-move-philadelphia-list/
https://www.facebook.com/anarchistmemes.org/posts/662460360492101
http://blacksupremacylovenunity.wordpress.com/2014/05/22/11-things-you-didnt-know-about-the-move-philadelphia-bombing-on-may-13-1985/

Apparently you don't bomb meth labs, yet, but you do bomb community groups that adopt vegan diets.

On May 13, 1985, a bomb was dropped on a row house in Philadelphia, unleashing a relentless fire that eventually burned down 61 houses, killed 11 people (including five children) and injured dozens.

The fire department stood by idly. The Philadelphia Police Department did the same. The fire raged on, swallowing up home after home until more than 200 were without shelter in an entire community distrustful of the individuals responsible for the blaze.

The police.

- The MOVE Organization is a Philadelphia-based black liberation group that preached revolution and advocated a return to nature lifestyle. They lived communally and vowed to lead a life uninterrupted by the government, police or technology. They were passionate supporters of animal rights and members adopted vegan diets. Members also adopted the surname “Africa.” Often times they would engage in public demonstrations related to issues they deemed important.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/us-police-murdered-5000-innocent-civilians-since-911/172029/

Though Americans commonly believe law enforcement’s role in society is to protect them and ensure peace and stability within the community, the sad reality is that police departments are often more focused on enforcing laws, making arrests and issuing citations. As a result of this as well as an increase in militarized policing techniques, Americans are eight times more likely to be killed by a police officer than by a terrorist, estimates a Washington’s Blog report based on official statistical data.

Though the U.S. government does not have a database collecting information about the total number of police involved shootings each year, it’s estimated that between 500 and 1,000 Americans are killed by police officers each year. Since 9/11, about 5,000 Americans have been killed by U.S. police officers, which is almost equivalent to the number of U.S. soldiers who have been killed in the line of duty in Iraq.

Metsfanmax wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:Yeah and Hamas also violated the 5-hour ceasefire the other day by firing rockets into Israel but saxi conveniently left that out because apparently it's only possible for him to support an idealized version of the Palestinians instead of the ones they actually have (and therefore the ones who actually need the support).

Even your OWN narrow version of events has Israel killing hundreds, displaced tens of THOUSANDS of NON-COMBATANTS in response to rockets that mostly did some property damage.

I don't have a "version of events." Y'all really need to stop discussing arguments as if they can only be evaluated by understanding the political beliefs of the person making the argument. If I say that Hamas violated the ceasefire in response to a claim that Israel did the same, that's not an endorsement or rejection of either side. It's just an attempt to set a level playing field for the discussion. I generally agree with saxi's opinion on who are in the right on this conflict. However, the arguments saxi makes in favor of why Israel is bad are so logically inconsistent, and so extremely partisan and one-sided, that I can't condone it silently. If Israel is as bad as he says it is, he shouldn't need to engage in poor argumentative tactics to prove it.

A lie is not a level playing field.

A Bible prophecy website claimed Hamas violated the ceasefire. That is a lie. A ceasefire has to be agreed-upon by both belligerents, not simply declared by someone. Hamas had been excluded from the ceasefire negotiations, which is patently crazy if you're genuinely interested in a ceasefire as opposed to a PR talking point. Hamas had, however, proposed - not a 5 hour ceasefire, but a 10 year truce! The conditions for the truce included things like letting Gazans fish so they don't have to starve to death, allowing the resumption of food imports to Gaza so they don't have to start to death, and release of Palestinians held indefinitely without charge. Mordor rejected the offer of a truce, at which point the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades resumed self-defense operations of a military necessity.

Get off it Player. If Israel started launching home made rockets and suicide bombers into Gaza in an attempt to level the playing field nobody would praise them for using equal tactics.

You guys keep saying that Israel is bombing Gaza because of three murdered teens, but this is a false narrative. Israel is bombing Gaza in an attempt to stop the hundreds of rockets Hamas is launching into Israel, which are themselves a result of the search for the suspected killers.

Hamas has refused a ceasefire, just as they've refused every initiative towards peace (of which there have been many) stop pretending this is an unprovoked act of Israeli aggression.

GabonX wrote:Get off it Player. If Israel started launching home made rockets

You're offended that the al-Qassam Brigades use homemade rockets? I assure you they don't use homemade rockets to offend you. If they had access to state-of-the-art weaponry like Israel's Delilah cruise missiles I'm almost certain they would switch to using those instead. To quote Donald Rumsfeld, "you go to war with the army you have---not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time." The Palestinian people are defending themselves with the army they have.

GabonX wrote:and suicide bombers

There hasn't been an infiltration bombing launched from Gaza in more than 8 years. Keep firing that chaff into the air, if you like, but the world is ignoring it.

GabonX wrote:Hamas has refused a ceasefire

Just because you stamp "ceasefire!" across a surrender document, doesn't make it a ceasefire proposal.

That would be like you handing me one of your old, yellow issues of Manshots and scribbling "Property Deed" across the top, then when I said I didn't want it, exclaiming "Saxi has rejected my offer of a free house!"

just nuke them all

patrickaa317 wrote:If Israel wished for a hamas ran Palestine, why does #2 keep happening?

I don't have all the answers.

In any case, here is Professor Uri Davis, a Jewish delegate of the PLO and elected member of the Fatah Revolutionary Council, discussing the Israeli apartheid system two months ago. His comments at 6:45 explain the insidious nature of the Zionist state and how Israeli racism eclipses that in any other country because it is institutionalized in law and statute.

saxitoxin wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:Yeah and Hamas also violated the 5-hour ceasefire the other day by firing rockets into Israel but saxi conveniently left that out because apparently it's only possible for him to support an idealized version of the Palestinians instead of the ones they actually have (and therefore the ones who actually need the support).

Even your OWN narrow version of events has Israel killing hundreds, displaced tens of THOUSANDS of NON-COMBATANTS in response to rockets that mostly did some property damage.

I don't have a "version of events." Y'all really need to stop discussing arguments as if they can only be evaluated by understanding the political beliefs of the person making the argument. If I say that Hamas violated the ceasefire in response to a claim that Israel did the same, that's not an endorsement or rejection of either side. It's just an attempt to set a level playing field for the discussion. I generally agree with saxi's opinion on who are in the right on this conflict. However, the arguments saxi makes in favor of why Israel is bad are so logically inconsistent, and so extremely partisan and one-sided, that I can't condone it silently. If Israel is as bad as he says it is, he shouldn't need to engage in poor argumentative tactics to prove it.

A lie is not a level playing field.

A Bible prophecy website claimed Hamas violated the ceasefire. That is a lie. A ceasefire has to be agreed-upon by both belligerents, not simply declared by someone. Hamas had been excluded from the ceasefire negotiations, which is patently crazy if you're genuinely interested in a ceasefire as opposed to a PR talking point. Hamas had, however, proposed - not a 5 hour ceasefire, but a 10 year truce! The conditions for the truce included things like letting Gazans fish so they don't have to starve to death, allowing the resumption of food imports to Gaza so they don't have to start to death, and release of Palestinians held indefinitely without charge. Mordor rejected the offer of a truce, at which point the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades resumed self-defense operations of a military necessity.

Stop twisting words Saxitoxin. There was an offer of a ceasefire by Egypt and Israel and Hamas refused it. The ten year truce you're referring to was mentioned as a possibility, but was refused outright by the all qassam brigades of Hamas, who are the people that are actually fighting and therefore the only party that matters in these negotiations.

The last paragraph of your article reads:

Hamas'sarmed wing, the Kassam Brigades, rejected the reported text of the truce deal, saying: "Our battle with the enemy continues and will increase in ferocity and intensity."

Referring to the source as a "bible prophecy website" is hateful and bigoted, but humersously you didn't even bother to read the whole article, because according to Hamas even if Israel was dumb enough to say "OK, we'll give you back the convicted murderers and all that other stuff you want in exchange for the promise of ten years peace, after which ?, because we trust that this time you will keep your word", the people Israel is actually fighting say it wouldn't matter and publicly state they will continue fighting.

Give me a break. This is even dumber than when you said Israel is discriminating against Bedouins by not giving them bomb shelters, an impossible task considering their lifestyle is such that they have no fixed location because they wander the dessert and live in tents.

GabonX wrote:Referring to the source as a "bible prophecy website" is hateful and bigoted, but humersously you didn't even bother to read the whole article, because

That's correct I did not read it and I readily admit you are accurate on that point. As a matter of policy I don't read bible prophecy websites, or websites that declare they present news with "a biblical bias", to inform me of current affairs.



However, I apologize if you were offended, as I know the scriptures, magic, and prophecy forms a central part of your worldview, as it does almost all Israel supporters.

Although you did say one thing that's accurate...

A lie is not a level playing field.

This is absolutely correct. Lying and presenting half truths is your main debate tactic here. Its a universal theme through nearly all of your posts, and its the only way you're able to stand behind such a ridiculous presentation of these events.

saxitoxin wrote:

GabonX wrote:Referring to the source as a "bible prophecy website" is hateful and bigoted, but humersously you didn't even bother to read the whole article, because

That's correct I did not read it and I readily admit you are accurate on that point. As a matter of policy I don't read bible prophecy websites, or websites that declare they present news with "a biblical bias", to inform me of current affairs.



However, I apologize if you were offended, as I know the scriptures, magic, and prophecy forms a central part of your worldview, as it does almost all Israel supporters.

Another perfect example of your dishonesty, that image isnt even related to the article you posted. Its a different publication entirely, one Ive never heard of but i guess keeping up on this stuff helps to fuel your antisemitism, that is if you didn't Photoshop it.

Your attempts to cross references and paint the picture that Israel is supported exclusively by sociopath cult members is false. It is true of Hamas however...

Army of GOD wrote:just nuke them all

Still wouldn't satisfy antisemites like Saxitoxin...

GabonX wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

GabonX wrote:Referring to the source as a "bible prophecy website" is hateful and bigoted, but humersously you didn't even bother to read the whole article, because

That's correct I did not read it and I readily admit you are accurate on that point. As a matter of policy I don't read bible prophecy websites, or websites that declare they present news with "a biblical bias", to inform me of current affairs.



However, I apologize if you were offended, as I know the scriptures, magic, and prophecy forms a central part of your worldview, as it does almost all Israel supporters.

Another perfect example of your dishonesty, that image isnt even related to the article you posted. Your attempts to cross references and paint the picture that Israel is supported exclusively by sociopath cult members is false.

However it is true of Hamas...

This is the site you and Mets were defending:

Metsfanmax wrote:Yeah and Hamas also violated the 5-hour ceasefire the other day by firing rockets into Israel but saxi

The site's "About" page, shown in the image I posted, can be accessed here: http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/about-us

People may now wonder why you made the choice to lie by saying "that image isnt even related to the article you posted"? Did you give up on screaming "ANTI-SEMITE!" as loud as you can to drown-out rational dialog and civil debate?

Gabby, reading your posts is liking watching a fully loaded passenger train headed at full speed down a track toward a bridge that's collapsed.

Army of GOD wrote:just nuke them all

Still wouldn't satisfy antisemites like Saxitoxin...

a6mzero wrote:Israel could agree to go back to pre 1967 borders and make Jerusalem an open city and ThePalestinians would take that offering and continue to launch rockets and blow up buses and teach all their kindergarden age kids to aspire to kill jews. Israel trying to coexist peacefully with Palestinians is like a person trying to share their house with a rattlesnake.

Nice. You just implied that Palestinians are less than human.

You certainly are worth taking seriously.

Tell us how you feel about black people, Hispanics, and the Roma people.

Dukasaur wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:Here is the thing ... we have a HUGE Problem with meth labs and other criminals in our country. More deaths, more damage is caused by these druggies than by any Palestinian. Still, I don't see any calls, yet, to have our military start bombing the towns because the mayors cannot control the populations.

http://globalgrind.com/2013/09/26/11-things-you-didnt-know-about-the-time-police-bombed-an-american-neighborhood-move-philadelphia-list/
https://www.facebook.com/anarchistmemes.org/posts/662460360492101
http://blacksupremacylovenunity.wordpress.com/2014/05/22/11-things-you-didnt-know-about-the-move-philadelphia-bombing-on-may-13-1985/

Apparently you don't bomb meth labs, yet, but you do bomb community groups that adopt vegan diets.

On May 13, 1985, a bomb was dropped on a row house in Philadelphia, unleashing a relentless fire that eventually burned down 61 houses, killed 11 people (including five children) and injured dozens.

The fire department stood by idly. The Philadelphia Police Department did the same. The fire raged on, swallowing up home after home until more than 200 were without shelter in an entire community distrustful of the individuals responsible for the blaze.

The police.

- The MOVE Organization is a Philadelphia-based black liberation group that preached revolution and advocated a return to nature lifestyle. They lived communally and vowed to lead a life uninterrupted by the government, police or technology. They were passionate supporters of animal rights and members adopted vegan diets. Members also adopted the surname “Africa.” Often times they would engage in public demonstrations related to issues they deemed important.

This was a horrible event, though from what I remember, you are skipping quite a few significant details.

Even so... the damage done here is far exceeded by that done by Israel.

Dukasaur wrote:http://www.mintpressnews.com/us-police-murdered-5000-innocent-civilians-since-911/172029/

Though Americans commonly believe law enforcement’s role in society is to protect them and ensure peace and stability within the community, the sad reality is that police departments are often more focused on enforcing laws, making arrests and issuing citations. As a result of this as well as an increase in militarized policing techniques, Americans are eight times more likely to be killed by a police officer than by a terrorist, estimates a Washington’s Blog report based on official statistical data.

Though the U.S. government does not have a database collecting information about the total number of police involved shootings each year, it’s estimated that between 500 and 1,000 Americans are killed by police officers each year. Since 9/11, about 5,000 Americans have been killed by U.S. police officers, which is almost equivalent to the number of U.S. soldiers who have been killed in the line of duty in Iraq.

This is a true, but different issue.
And, note, 500-1000, while high, is definitely not a total of innocent/uninvolved people killed by police (aka "non-combatents"). Israel killed over 700 INNOCENT people in the last conflict, not to mention all those they displaced and injured.

saxitoxin wrote:

GabonX wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

GabonX wrote:Referring to the source as a "bible prophecy website" is hateful and bigoted, but humersously you didn't even bother to read the whole article, because

That's correct I did not read it and I readily admit you are accurate on that point. As a matter of policy I don't read bible prophecy websites, or websites that declare they present news with "a biblical bias", to inform me of current affairs.



However, I apologize if you were offended, as I know the scriptures, magic, and prophecy forms a central part of your worldview, as it does almost all Israel supporters.

Another perfect example of your dishonesty, that image isnt even related to the article you posted. Your attempts to cross references and paint the picture that Israel is supported exclusively by sociopath cult members is false.

However it is true of Hamas...

This is the site you and Mets were defending:

Metsfanmax wrote:Yeah and Hamas also violated the 5-hour ceasefire the other day by firing rockets into Israel but saxi

The site's "About" page, shown in the image I posted, can be accessed here: http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/about-us

People may now wonder why you made the choice to lie by saying "that image isnt even related to the article you posted"? Did you give up on screaming "ANTI-SEMITE!" as loud as you can to drown-out rational dialog and civil debate?

Gabby, reading your posts is liking watching a fully loaded passenger train headed at full speed down a track toward a bridge that's collapsed.

I was talking about the article you posted, which you didn't read, which said the exact opposite of what you said it did...

I've never read the other site before, but to claim that support for Israel is exclusively a religious phenomenon is false, and showing a single example of religious support doesn't prove anything. Even if we are looking at sites with a religious affiliation, dismissing them outright without addressing the information they present is laziness, and shouldn't be necesarry if you actually have information to the contrary.

Considering you're backing Hamas, a fundamentalist religious organization, it's a ridiculous double standard on your part.

BigBallinStalin wrote:

a6mzero wrote:Israel could agree to go back to pre 1967 borders and make Jerusalem an open city and ThePalestinians would take that offering and continue to launch rockets and blow up buses and teach all their kindergarden age kids to aspire to kill jews. Israel trying to coexist peacefully with Palestinians is like a person trying to share their house with a rattlesnake.

Nice. You just implied that Palestinians are less than human.

You certainly are worth taking seriously.

Tell us how you feel about black people, Hispanics, and the Roma people.

You're going to call him on this, but you don't have anything to say about what Saxitoxin says about Israelis?

BigBallinStalin wrote:

a6mzero wrote:Israel could agree to go back to pre 1967 borders and make Jerusalem an open city and ThePalestinians would take that offering and continue to launch rockets and blow up buses and teach all their kindergarden age kids to aspire to kill jews. Israel trying to coexist peacefully with Palestinians is like a person trying to share their house with a rattlesnake.

Nice. You just implied that Palestinians are less than human.

You certainly are worth taking seriously.

Tell us how you feel about black people, Hispanics, and the Roma people.

Actually implied they're rattlesnakes, which is pretty cool.

I wish I was a rattlesnake.

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