jonty125 wrote:Firstly, I'm going to FOS hotshot for completely misunderstanding the jak case and then making a poor defense on his behalf.
See I like FOS's like this, I am not sure whether you're cluing in or not. But most of the people voting me aren't doing so because they really think I'm mafia, half of them admitted to it as/before they placed their votes down.
Jmac1026 wrote:At this point you're practically a policy lynch, in my books. I fail to see any reason to not lynch you before the end of the day.
Vote jak111.
Vote 1 after me outing. Not voting because he thinks I'm scum but for a "policy lynch".
Rodion wrote:Vote Jak.
I feel like I don't even have to explain my vote, but basically he vigged town instead of investigating + targeted someone that was not his biggest scumread (evidenced by how his last vote - other than no-lynch - was not focused at Zibel, but spiesr) + is refusing to cooperate (phrases like I'll do what I want or don't tell me what to do) + killed Zivel to get "reads", yet didn't provide a single read out of Zivel's death so far.
Vote 2, no where in this did he state he believes me to be scum. Just that I screwed up with my night action.
aage wrote:So Jak, as I understand it, you're saying that (a) you are a JOAT that used his killpower first chance he got to resolve some petty feud about someone "trying to kill you" during day 1, and that (b) you are town and we are stupid to believe otherwise... while at the same time, the kill that you claimed is the
only kill that went through in a 22 player CYOC game. This brings about the assumptions that (a) we likely have more than one way to protect town against the night kills, (b) most of these were successful after a highly unproductive day, and (c) the mafia did not roleblock you which means they have no roleblocker (which is strange in such a big game). You can throw all the wifom you have against that last one, but if I were a mafia roleblocker you'd have been my primary target last night.
I killed a guy in the night I believed to come up as scummy for what we had and my other powers are not as useful without a bit more knowledge from others.
This is just plain wrong. The bold part is the problem. A town-aligned killing PR especially becomes useful with a bit of knowledge; it basically is an investigation that never yields a false result. If you had claimed unlimited kills, I wouldn't have minded as much, but you just gave away your most powerful weapon on a hunch, which is why I painted the second half of that phrase red. We had next to nothing, and now your role has become a lot less useful.
But I must assume you knew all that. This is not your first mafia game, not even close. Even you should realise that this is a no brainer.
Vote Jak. I'm going to agree with Anark on this one: you really should climb off that high ivory tower of yours, because chances are we'll burn it down.
I'm all for more discussion and scumhunting while the day lasts, but I very much doubt that my vote will change or that I will remove it at all.
Vote 3, again, no where in it does he say he believes me to be scum.
strike wolf wrote:I may agree with Edoc'sil that we should hold off on lynching overall but I waited on voting jak before and this is the result. Vote Jak. At this point it's as much policy lynch as anything. If you are town, this isn't the first time you acting in an arrogant manner has unfairly cost a townie their life. Not to mention that you've made it quite clear that anyone who disagrees with you is potentially going to fall into your sights. One shot or not, town cannot afford loose cannons who cost other townies their lives. So I want you lynched not just for this game but as a message to all games where this could happen. You claim Zivel you found Zivel scummy. I disagree. Okay, that's not by itself lynchable. What is lynchable, in my honest opinion, is that, on top of your flawed logic and theories (I don't even care if they are off as much as that you often refuse to acknowledge when they are wrong or unlikely) and OMGus vote on Spiesr, you took the MOST DRASTIC measure on NIGHT 1 to test this. Okay, you don't have an investigation. Do you have a role block? or even any ability that involves a role block as part of the ability? Even waiting around and trying to start a case the next day is preferable to the action you took.
Vote 4, again, a "policy lynch" nothing about thinking me being scum.
(Vote 5 was Doom, he removed it after realising it was stupid to lynch a guy he believed town, although he admitted that he believed me town)
jonty125 wrote:vote jak and this time I do mean jak. Shooting N1, is a risk, and it didn't pay off.
jak111 wrote:If anyone should be explaining things, it should be this clock guy. It's not mafia role as Mafia definitely failed last night. So it's either a premature town role or a third party role.
The clock guy, has just screwed mafia over and you want him to come out. Anybody else having a hard time processing that?
Also, jak, you need to breathe. Look at yourself, multiple people are saying you are on a high horse / ivory tower / other metaphor. Now we can make two conclusions from here 1) It's a conspiracy and everyone is out to get you. 2) They are right. No more needs to be said on that matter I believe.
Vote 6, did not mention a thing about finding me scummy.
Iron Butterfly wrote:We had a bad storm and internet was down,,,Time Warner sucks. all I could think of was the clock person, my pony and the day ending early.
Everything that could be said about Jak has been said I think. Its pretty much same crap different game. Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. I remember Jaks first game where he introduced himself in this big wordy speech saying his goal was to be considered one of the best mafia players. Listening to him rationalize bad decisions IF he is indeed Town is annoying as hell.
He is a Joat who had a vig ability. Maybe i read wrong but he seemed to say that he had to use it or lose it night one?
Anyway vote Jak
Vote 7, another policy lynch basically. (IB pulled off later to vote the Betiko inactivity wagon).
MudPuppy wrote:Jak's new meta sure looks a lot like the play style I've become accustomed to (though, it admittedly took me a while to catch on): multiple OMGUS votes driven by people "tunneling" him and reads based on gut feelings that seem to come from nowhere. I hate policy votes but if anyone were deserving of such a vote, it would be Jak. However, of all the current Mafia candidates, Jak also leads the way with scummy behavior. He could very well be Town but between the "new" meta, the N1 killing of Zivel with little basis, his belief that Rodion should be untouchable, etc., etc., etc., the choice is clear. I'm more than happy to discuss other candidates... but for now, I'll Vote Jak to make sure my vote gets recorded before the day ends.
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@Sausage... I doubt Jak is the Clock. He probably truly is Ang... I just don't get the feeling that Ang is Town-aligned. It definitely could be an associate of his... but I am guessing the Clock is Town-aligned (since he presumably prevented Mafia actions last night) while I'm guessing Jak is not... so, based on that, I'll assume Jak has nothing to do with the Clock.
Vote 8, first vote to vote me because he believes me to be scummy.
So 8 votes total today, 2 pulled off, only 1 person actually said it's because I was scummy, the rest started chipping in and saying so after 2 people defended me by pointing it out. I went back and quoted each vote (besides Doom's but he knows what I say to be true).
So
major FOS on everyone who were FOS'ing HotShot and kgb I believe the two were after they started pointing out what was wrong with the entire wagon.
I don't even think that FOS needs an explanation, I'm voting one of them.
Another quick count, how many are voting me because they want an easy lynch and how many are voting me for a bogus reason (besides MP who actually states that he finds me scummy before being pointed out on the poor wagon reasons).
Finally, no one even lifts a word whether they think my case on Nebuch is good enough for some pressure or not. They say they want another case and a claim, I point out someone's poor reasoning for FOS'ing people, no one says a word about the case.
FP'd by a few.
