Krazy Kingdoms [Quenched]

[dolomite13]

If there are no objections to the above changes I will get that XML ready tonight or tomorrow. And I just need to tweak the image a but in a few spots.

Could we get the map "closed" to new games soon so the games can finish. This update will surely mess up the existing games.

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[Gilligan]

If there are no objections to the above changes I will get that XML ready tonight or tomorrow. And I just need to tweak the image a but in a few spots.

Could we get the map "closed" to new games soon so the games can finish. This update will surely mess up the existing games.

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Closed to prevent more messing up of games once this XML goes live.

[dolomite13]

If there are no objections to the above changes I will get that XML ready tonight or tomorrow. And I just need to tweak the image a but in a few spots.

Could we get the map "closed" to new games soon so the games can finish. This update will surely mess up the existing games.

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Closed to prevent more messing up of games once this XML goes live.

Thanx

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[dolomite13]

NOTE: There are major updates to gameplay in the works and we have closed the map to new games while we wait for all current games to finish. Once all games have finished we will update the xml and graphics and the map will re-open for play. Thank you for your patience and for all of the play-testing that has helped so much in shaping the the map. Hopefully these changes will make the map more fair and more fun to play for everyone.

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[DearCyrus]

Hope they finish soon! I want to get on the updated map!

[dolomite13]

=D>Hope they finish soon! I want to get on the updated map!

Not too fast I hope. I need to finish the updates to the XML tonight or tomorrow night

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[DearCyrus]

Lol. Understood!

[dolomite13]

I ended up quite busy last evening. I should have a free hour this evening to make some changes.

I do have one concern now ....

Now that the forbidden lands are closed unless you control 3 favored territories this also means that if you loose your kingdom you can technically never win.

Would it be better to have a different condition to unlock the forbidden lands?

Here are some ideas.

• control one of each basic land type (8 land types)
• control a territory with one of each symbol (5 symbols)
• add a new icon to the map "artifacts" that are evenly spaced around the map and need 3 of them to unlock the forbidden lands.
• simply require 3 or maybe 4 of the same basic land regardless of weather or not it matches your favored territory.

Any thoughts?

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p.s. I also need to note that the forbidden lands border is impassible somewhere.

[thenobodies80]

If you are not going to add or remove regions there's no reason to close the map to update it.

[dolomite13]

If you are not going to add or remove regions there's no reason to close the map to update it.

I will be are adding/removing regions and continents.

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[dolomite13]

What if I put an artifact icon on the border between V4/F2 and P2/M2 and S2/T2 and J2/D4 and required you to hold a land that borders 3 of the artifacts? to gain access to the forbidden lands.

That way you need to traverse the map to get to the territories and the distance traveled is 7 territories, the same for all players. This would also mean 2 players could share access and that those 8 territories would be where the fight would go rather then directly at your neighbors starting territory.

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[thenobodies80]

ok, please let us know what you add or remove when you post the new xml so we're sure everything is in the right place

Thanks

[dolomite13]

ok, please let us know what you add or remove when you post the new xml so we're sure everything is in the right place

Thanks

Absolutely

Gilligan has been watching the tread closely and I believe he knows that the XML will need another really solid check before we can send this update live.

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[Gilligan]

ok, please let us know what you add or remove when you post the new xml so we're sure everything is in the right place

Thanks

Absolutely

Gilligan has been watching the tread closely and I believe he knows that the XML will need another really solid check before we can send this update live.

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Yes, it will...

[DearCyrus]

What about 2 instead of 3, as far as artifacts? Because the outsides of the board will be conquering towards the forbidden lands while the center away from it... Seems like it could unbalance things in a different way. Lol. And maybe spice up the name artifact to "Rune Keys" or some such, as it would open the darkness shutting the border...

[TaelS]

(EDIT: someone already told me this has been dealt. Sorry).

[dolomite13]

What about 2 instead of 3, as far as artifacts? Because the outsides of the board will be conquering towards the forbidden lands while the center away from it... Seems like it could unbalance things in a different way. Lol. And maybe spice up the name artifact to "Rune Keys" or some such, as it would open the darkness shutting the border...

2 might work. It would require any player to go through 4 total territories to get this and not require going to the opposite side of the map immediately. But it may be too fast ... if you stack on me all i need to do is go through 4 territories with 3 in each, a few cached in sets and its forbidden lands time again. If I drop it to 2 then I will need to up the Forbidden lands to 30 from 20 I suspect. I will be devoting some brainpower to this today as time permits

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[DearCyrus]

That makes sense. How many territs might the cosmic need to go through to assult the forbidden lands by teleportation? Having the key condition may make that ability less than ideal...

[dolomite13]

That makes sense. How many territs might the cosmic need to go through to assult the forbidden lands by teleportation? Having the key condition may make that ability less than ideal...

Hmmm... cosmic could remain at 3 as once they have 2 they can jump across the map to get the 3rd and then they can assault the forbidden lands from radiation symbols. They could take J2. P4 and D2 none of which border the forbidden lands and jump over the territories that border it and use the forbidden lands. I would say that their ability to do this is just an interesting bonus over them having a short cut across the map. Its definitely not as good as the bomb was but its still good as I feel the bomb was too good by far.

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[dolomite13]

OK here is what I consider the last round of updates before I dive into the XML... It includes a minor change to barbarians bonus and adds the Rune Towers to handle access to the Forbidden lands

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Graphic Changes

• kingdoms are auto 2 (down from 3) and grants +1 bonus (a little less auto and 1 extra troop to deploy. This may promote stacking a bit in team games but then again maybe not).
• druid bonus change (lets druids get a bonus earlier based on distribution of J and F territories).
• elementalist bonus change (lets elementalists get a bonus earlier based on distribution of J and F territories).
• aquatic bonus change (added +1 for minimum 1 adjacent to sea) this will make max 8 instead of the previous 7 but give a bonus earlier.
• seas killer 2 down from 3 (more attractive for aquatic).
• cultists changed to cosmic.
• the bomb has been removed.
• changed Barbarians to gain +1 for each favored territory they control when they also control the Horde.
• changed dwellers to +1 each cavern and +2 for all 3 caverns. (slight decrease based on the caverns adjacent ability being powerful on this small of a map).
• changed miners/mines to +1, +2, +4 which decreases the single mine bonus and overall by 1 (should balance early game a bit)
• changed undead/crypts to +1, +2, +4 which decreases the single crypt bonus and overall by 1 (should balance early game a bit)
• changed wizards special to +1, +2, +4 which decreases the double special bonus and overall by 1 (should balance early game a bit as the forbidden lands bordering territories can be unbalanced for some kingdoms)
• changed the losing condition to be when you only control a "special features" which includes "horde and underworld" you are eliminated. This will make it so that when you have no troops that can actually affect the board you are out of the game. However if you hold only the "underworld" you will actually not be eliminated you as you can still assault minions on the main map but this is not noted anywhere as players should honestly be able to figure that out and I am out of space on the map for that anyway.
• added the following "If you hold no basic land D,F,J,M,P,S,T,V your Kingdom may assault any of your favored territories"
• removed the -1 adjustment for starting bonus making the minimum 1 so that when you start the game you get a minimum 1 basic bonus +1 for a kingdom, and +1 for your favored territory. This will grant you 3 troops to deploy. In a 1-4 player game you will have 5 troops to deploy. With increased neutral buffers on the map and 2 start positions in 1-4 player games I see this as working out fine but we will keep a watchful eye on it.
• The borders of the Forbidden Lands are now closed to intruders. You must first territories that border any two of the four available Rune Towers.

Territory Symbols

• J2 - Crypts now J2 - Radiation
• V2 now V2 - Crypts
• F2 Mines - now F2 Crypt
• V4 - Crypts - Now V4 - Mines
• P2 - Caverns now P2 - Crypts
• M2 - Crypts now M2 - Caverns

Cultists / Cosmic

• Cultists renamed Cosmic
• a 4th Radiation symbol added to map
• [Radiation] +1* (each)
• 2 Radiation = Radiation can assault other Radiation.
• 3 Radiation = Radiation can assault the Forbidden Lands

Non Graphic Changes

• reduce underworld and Horde to 5n start
• reduce 5n starts to 3n on V2 and D2 (should focus players as this as the best route to the middle/rune towers)

Krazy Khaos Ensues

• max 2 start positions (2,3,4 player games will get 2 starts) this means if you start with Dragonkin, Gnomes, Cultists, Fanatics, and Undead you would have "Undead Fanatic Cultists" that got favored territory bonuses from both Volcanic and Mountains. This will make bonuses interesting as overlaps will occur where some territories are both favored and adjacent to favored making it very complicated. Barbarians would have verl little chance of any territories being neither favored or adjacent to favored.

Small v2.0.6
http://imageshack.com/a/img14/7391/ugpf.png


Large v2.0.6
http://imageshack.com/a/img12/4029/kcut.png

[dolomite13]

Anyone think the icons for the Rune Towers are too bright? or not in the theme with the rest of the map?

Also with the change to elimination and the ability to jump cross map if your start territory is eliminated I have decided to leave the 5n territories at P4, J3, S4, T4, F3, and M4 at 5n and not increase them to 7n at this time. However the Underworld and Horde are being dropped to 5n from 7n to encourage their use.

Also note that I have removed the "2 not adjacent/not favored" bonus from Barbarians and changed it to +1 for each favored territory when you hold the Horde. This makes the Barbarians want to take the horde which in turn gives them a easy way to jump around the map. This makes them pretty powerful as that ultimately results in +2 per favored they jump to and +4 more when they have all 4 so players will need to recognize this (in non fog games) and keep the Barbarians at bay.

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[DearCyrus]

I don't feel the towers are too bright, exactly... But they do feel to be of a different style than the other icons... They have more depth, and look like they are sitting on top of the map.
If that was what you were going for, then they are perfect.

[dolomite13]

I don't feel the towers are too bright, exactly... But they do feel to be of a different style than the other icons... They have more depth, and look like they are sitting on top of the map.
If that was what you were going for, then they are perfect.

Actually I think I like these better

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[DearCyrus]

Yeah, me too...

[dolomite13]

Quick Update...

Reworked XML is coming along... slowly... I should have it posted by tomorrow (late in the evening).

I think 14 games were still in progress when I checked last evening.

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