[GP] [Rules] Eliminate Deferred Troops

[evulclown]

If you break someone's boarders in a game and they deadbeat, chances are you'll go after other threats because they've lost their bonus. When they take their next turn they can retake the lands then have men enough to defend against you aswell.

If they took their turn as they were supposed to and didn't make everyone ingame wait for them, you might break them again right after. -- So, there are advantages to missing turns and i've seen more than a few people use it.


It's not exactly a small timeframe to take your turn in. If you can't be bothered to be there for it, then you don't deserve your men.

[blakebowling]

It's not exactly a small timeframe to take your turn in. If you can't be bothered to be there for it, then you don't deserve your men.

I missed turns this weekend due to pulling a double shift (12 hours, close enough), because I work, do I not deserve my men??

[Jeff Hardy]

It's not exactly a small timeframe to take your turn in. If you can't be bothered to be there for it, then you don't deserve your men.

I missed turns this weekend due to pulling a double shift (12 hours, close enough), because I work, do I not deserve my men??

if you cant be bothered to log on for 5 minutes and you cant be asked to get someone to play for you, yes, you deserve nothing
players need to get punished for missing turns

[blakebowling]

It's not exactly a small timeframe to take your turn in. If you can't be bothered to be there for it, then you don't deserve your men.

I missed turns this weekend due to pulling a double shift (12 hours, close enough), because I work, do I not deserve my men??

if you cant be bothered to log on for 5 minutes and you cant be asked to get someone to play for you, yes, you deserve nothing
players need to get punished for missing turns

You don't understand, I wasn't able to log on (and with my amount of games, it would have taken far more than five minutes).

[cicero]

Why exactly are lazy people, bug abusers and deliberate deadbeaters rewarded for being annoying?

My proposal is that if you miss a turn, you do not get your men.

Are those really the only reasons that people miss turns?
People aren't simply lazy, but many do have other priorities in their lives - family, friends, dependants ... who sometimes have to come first in an unpredictable way. For the occasional missed turn there is no reason to be 'punished' by not receiving your units.

Bug abusers? As others have pointed out there is no tactical advantage in missing a turn. Sometimes, when someone else misses a turn it can feel like they've gained an advantage, but they haven't. It is up to the players taking their turns to take advantage of the person missing their turn.

I've seen far too many people abusing this to get double men in order to take back lands with a bigger hammer. It's a ridiculous function that needs removing.

Seriously if you think it is a good tactic, join some games with me and you feel free to miss as many turns as you like to help you win. I'll happily take the points (or someone else will ) . And I won't complain about the wait ...

As regards the wait of 24 hours; that is the structure of the game. It is quite common to wait 24 hours for someone who does take their turn as well as for someone who doesn't. To avoid waiting 24 hours avoid casual games, punishing players who occasionally miss turns is not the answer.

Deadbeats? I think you put that one in by mistake. Anyone who deadbeats is removed from the game and never receives any armies.

The current system has been refined over time. The deferring of units to the end of the turn, when a person who has just missed a turn returns, and making it compulsory to deploy all units on one territory doubly ensures that no advantage can be gained by the returning player.

[Destroyers Inc.]

I suggest that no deferred troops should be given to players that miss their turn. Not only does it slow the game down considerably but many player purposely deadbeat to get the twice the troops especially in no spoils match ups.

[blakebowling]

ok.....
What about people that can't help missing their turn (lets say their power goes off for two days like mine did last week)?
And they don't actually get twice the troops, they get the same amount of troops they would have if they had taken their turn.

[Destroyers Inc.]

C'mon man how often does that happen. You've played long enough to know that that's rare and that most are done intentionally.

[Artimis]

C'mon man how often does that happen. You've played long enough to know that that's rare and that most are done intentionally.

That's why I put forward this suggestion:
[Suggestion]Penalise deliberate turn missers. *REVISED*

It didn't even reach the pending stage though.

[HardAttack]

ok.....
What about people that can't help missing their turn (lets say their power goes off for two days like mine did last week)?
And they don't actually get twice the troops, they get the same amount of troops they would have if they had taken their turn.

do not give extreme examples to set examples to certain matters. extreme cases will always gonna be whatever rule, definition, whatever you set.

[Timminz]

C'mon man how often does that happen. You've played long enough to know that that's rare and that most are done intentionally.

Bullshit! The majority of missed turns are NOT intentional. Anyone who misses turns on purpose is an idiot, because it DOES NOT provide any advantage, the vast majority of the time.

[Jeff Hardy]

C'mon man how often does that happen. You've played long enough to know that that's rare and that most are done intentionally.

Bullshit! The majority of missed turns are NOT intentional. Anyone who misses turns on purpose is an idiot, because it DOES NOT provide any advantage, the vast majority of the time.

you beat me to it

[sailorseal]

C'mon man how often does that happen. You've played long enough to know that that's rare and that most are done intentionally.

Bullshit! The majority of missed turns are NOT intentional. Anyone who misses turns on purpose is an idiot, because it DOES NOT provide any advantage, the vast majority of the time.

I agree if I am away and I miss a turn it is not "strategic", missing a turn is never strategic. Your opponent gets to take two turns in a row...

[Jeff Hardy]

C'mon man how often does that happen. You've played long enough to know that that's rare and that most are done intentionally.

Bullshit! The majority of missed turns are NOT intentional. Anyone who misses turns on purpose is an idiot, because it DOES NOT provide any advantage, the vast majority of the time.

I agree if I am away and I miss a turn it is not "strategic", missing a turn is never strategic. Your opponent gets to take two turns in a row...

way to quote someone and then write the same thing out again just in different words

[sailorseal]

C'mon man how often does that happen. You've played long enough to know that that's rare and that most are done intentionally.

Bullshit! The majority of missed turns are NOT intentional. Anyone who misses turns on purpose is an idiot, because it DOES NOT provide any advantage, the vast majority of the time.

I agree if I am away and I miss a turn it is not "strategic", missing a turn is never strategic. Your opponent gets to take two turns in a row...

way to quote someone and then write the same thing out again just in different words

Way to quote someone then add nothing relevant

[HardAttack]

i dunno if missed turn gives a player advantage or not, what i am sure is that missed turns ..cks the assasin games in a very certain way.... so turn missing players should not have deferred armies. There must be a way for them to avoid missing their turns. If you are gona join in a game, you will carry the responsibility of taking ur turns..

What i am not sure is this, if most of players pay a certain attention on taking their turns or not. I dont call or name it to be intentional but if they feel and take it to be their responsibilities or not.

[Fipa]

C'mon man how often does that happen. You've played long enough to know that that's rare and that most are done intentionally.

Bullshit! The majority of missed turns are NOT intentional. Anyone who misses turns on purpose is an idiot, because it DOES NOT provide any advantage, the vast majority of the time.

Note the bald part. Sometimes it does give a player an advantage, and sometimes it messes your tactics completely, thus this should be implemented. I must say I agree with the OP.

And they don't actually get twice the troops, they get the same amount of troops they would have if they had taken their turn.

Not true. If you have a bonus, for example, miss your turn, and your opponent breaks that bonus, you do not get the extra bonus armies in the next turn you take.

[Timminz]

C'mon man how often does that happen. You've played long enough to know that that's rare and that most are done intentionally.

Bullshit! The majority of missed turns are NOT intentional. Anyone who misses turns on purpose is an idiot, because it DOES NOT provide any advantage, the vast majority of the time.

Note the bald part. Sometimes it does give a player an advantage, and sometimes it messes your tactics completely, thus this should be implemented. I must say I agree with the OP.

It is so very rare, that it would be considered statistically insignificant.

Were any of you guys around when players got their deferred armies at the start of their turn? Now, THAT caused some problems.

[owenshooter]

Were any of you guys around when players got their deferred armies at the start of their turn? Now, THAT caused some problems.

no, they weren't... and if someone isn't smart enough to attack a person that has missed turns to limit their bonuses or armies, that isn't anyone elses fault. the black jesus has spoken...-0

[blakebowling]

And they don't actually get twice the troops, they get the same amount of troops they would have if they had taken their turn.

Not true. If you have a bonus, for example, miss your turn, and your opponent breaks that bonus, you do not get the extra bonus armies in the next turn you take.

My point remains, there is no way to get MORE troops by missing a turn, you can only get the same or less.

[rishaed]

And they don't actually get twice the troops, they get the same amount of troops they would have if they had taken their turn.

Not true. If you have a bonus, for example, miss your turn, and your opponent breaks that bonus, you do not get the extra bonus armies in the next turn you take.

My point remains, there is no way to get MORE troops by missing a turn, you can only get the same or less.

exactly because for example you are playing City mogul...in which you get 20 troops auto droped on your shop/home, you lose troops because you do not regain the missing auto dropped troops. This goes for any map with an auto drop on it.

[sailorseal]

Can I point out that a deadbeat is someone who misses all their turns not just one...

[JoshyBoy]

You could miss a shot because of circumstances out of your control so there should be some form of bonus but dont ask me lol

[the.killing.44]

You're just the king of bumps (necro- in this case) aren'tcha …

.44

[Huegelkoenig]

how about the following agreement

if somebody misses a turn, he gets the armys for the missed turn, but randomly spread all over his countrys

or make it an gameoption like "reinforcements, spoils, fog of war"
"get troops on missing turns" --> yes, no