Conquer Club

BuJaber wrote:We were all under the impression that there are no vanilla townies. Is Mets claiming that the mod changed his mind and assigned vanilla roles after all?

BuJaber wrote:No there's an obvious description which is that both Marashu and Mets are scum and are confirming each others' identities. Town flavor cop is a brilliant fake claim .. kudos on that one. All Mets has to do is confirm he's that name.

We were all under the impression that there are no vanilla townies. Is Mets claiming that the mod changed his mind and assigned vanilla roles after all?

Marashu wrote:I'm not quite buying the meta read on dakky. In the last game I really remember being in with him (the Stack the Deck game), I was mafia and he was town, and I remember making a case on how quiet he was D1, then how follow-the-PR he was D2. Granted, it's different this time, since I'm town and don't actually know what he is, but based on his play so far, it's not screaming mafia to me.

Out of time, I'll try to post more tonight before bed.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

Marashu wrote:I'm not quite buying the meta read on dakky. In the last game I really remember being in with him (the Stack the Deck game), I was mafia and he was town, and I remember making a case on how quiet he was D1, then how follow-the-PR he was D2. Granted, it's different this time, since I'm town and don't actually know what he is, but based on his play so far, it's not screaming mafia to me.

Out of time, I'll try to post more tonight before bed.

This is why I do believe Marashu BESIDES the fact he came up Mafia in my investigation.

His claimed role determines flavor name, meaning a false claim will be caught. This only works at maximum effectiveness once a player in question claims.

On day one Dakky is questioned AND refuses to claim his role name for some super secrete reason. Marusha questions Dakky AND votes to lynch him in his next post. Now Dakkyis no lynch as he states he is but we have no role name. On the same day Bujaber claims King James and the Governor role.

Two ideal candidates to do a flavor check for their names. Instead he checks me? It does not add up or make sense. He could have found out if Bujaber was lying or perhaps what Dakky is hiding.

To ignore Dakky and Bujaber over me night one is a HUGE red flag on the BS Meter.

BuJaber wrote:IB and Mets why aren't you voting with me then? You both say he's probably scum and that you're town.

Metsfanmax wrote:

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Henry percy aka brother of thomas percy was involved in the guy fawkes stkry.

Francis Bacon was not.

That is not completely accurate. While Bacon was not directly involved in the incident, he was an influential lawyer at the time, the King's Counsel, and I think a member of parliament. I don't know if he would have been actually at parliament when the plot was planned for, but if not, he was directly connected to many people who would have been. So it's a plausible role for someone to have, especially given that pretty much everyone who is town you would think has some relationship to parliament or the king. However it does sound a lot like the sort of role you would make up if you searched for people who were alive at the time.

dakky21 wrote:IIRC from the edited 1st post, William at one point said there will be no vanilla roles so making you a doc after original doc died is pretty much bullshit. That would mean you have two roles now if there were no vanilla roles. I don't buy it, sorry.

No, "backup doc" is one role, and is completely fair game in a non-vanilla setup. It's not a vanilla role, because it can actually do something at least under some circumstances.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

gregwolf121 wrote:@dakky basically what hotshot said
@madmitch, did you visit anyone last night. yes i know you are claiming back up doc but i would like you to answer the question anyways.
@marashu, yes i have been taking notes. as for reads its still early in the game so i don't have any that i would consider solid. i do think madmitch is scum though, as IB said he has been following alot this game, their were a lot of other smaller reasons that just added up to me suspecting him. my main reason though i will keep to myself for now, sharing it would require me to claim and i rather keep my role hidden for now.
right now i think dakky and Bu are town, not 100% sure more around 60-70% as for the other players haven't formed an opinion yet just some gut feelings but with no good evidence that doesn't count for much

fastposted by marashu

Just read this after I posted my unvote

vote Mitch

gregwolf has info it seems. Until proven otherwise I will go with him.

gregwolf has "info?" Really? That's going to be the basis for lynching mitch? Why do you even trust gregwolf in this matter?

dakky21 wrote:Ever thought I lied about that to see who else will try to lynch/hammer me? Maybe I didn't. Maybe I did.

Assuming you are town, then while your reticence may be tactically worthwhile, it's coming at the cost of a serious distraction to town. So either 1) full claim or 2) shut the hell up about whether you do or do not have other powers. It's that simple.

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Backup is Mitchs favourite fake claim.

This is the point that swings me. Mitch fakeclaimed backup in HP mafia and it helped him win, and he also claimed backup doc in the surprise mafia. Backup roles are already pretty uncommon on CC, especially backup doc. So this does smack of him trying the tried-and-true claim and hoping no one notices.

vote madmitch

Metsfanmax wrote:Lost track of the vote count by this point, but it seems like people have had their say, so

vote marashu

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:Lost track of the vote count by this point, but it seems like people have had their say, so

vote marashu

Thats it? No comment on contradicting yourself? Claiming vanilla in a game you stated as non vanilla...

Iron Butterfly wrote:

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:Lost track of the vote count by this point, but it seems like people have had their say, so

vote marashu

Thats it? No comment on contradicting yourself? Claiming vanilla in a game you stated as non vanilla...

Wing can you direct us to his quote that stated he said "non vanilla"

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:Lost track of the vote count by this point, but it seems like people have had their say, so

vote marashu

Thats it? No comment on contradicting yourself? Claiming vanilla in a game you stated as non vanilla...

Metsfanmax wrote:

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:Lost track of the vote count by this point, but it seems like people have had their say, so

vote marashu

Thats it? No comment on contradicting yourself? Claiming vanilla in a game you stated as non vanilla...

If you had paid attention to the context, you would realize that I did not argue that the game is definitively non-vanilla. I said only that if the game were non-vanilla, then backup doc would be a legitimate role.

Dakky21 wrote:IIRC from the edited 1st post, William at one point said there will be no vanilla roles so making you a doc after original doc died is pretty much bullshit. That would mean you have two roles now if there were no vanilla roles. I don't buy it, sorry.

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:So Mets, you want me to believe that when faced with the below, instead of going with the simple argument, from your position of vanillaness, that "William didnt say that this would be a no vanilla game." You instead went along a long winded route about how backup isnt non-vanilla.