[CL4] Ph2 Div 1 - Winner: KoRT MVP: Mudfighter

Teflon Kris · Post by **Teflon Kris** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:55 pm

Leehar wrote:What would tiebreaker be in that case? Head-2-Head?

League position is determined firstly by Total Points, then by Total Games Won, then by comparing Head-to-Head rounds between any tied teams. If this still does not separate teams then a best-of-3 Play-Off will take-place (Random Trips, Escalating, Chained, Sunny).

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:47 pm

League position is determined firstly by Total Points, then by Total Games Won, then by comparing Head-to-Head rounds between any tied teams. If this still does not separate teams then a best-of-3 Play-Off will take-place (Random Trips, Escalating, Chained, Sunny).

head to head results,games or rounds? Its realy confusing when rules are not explane enough.
I assume that in first place are head to head results,then games, and round dont know what reffered.

PROFITS wrote:
qwert wrote:
by Swifte » Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:36 pm

Real quick based on what tokle posted... not updated for any corrections. Still a lot of room for things to move around.

Clan______W%______Finished__Active____Wins
EMP______53.4%____73_______11_______39
KORT_____53.3%____75_______9________40
IA_______ 52.1%____73_______11_______38
PACK_____51.9%____79_______5________41
AOC______50.7%____75_______9________38
TSM______48.6%____74_______10_______36
TOFU_____47.4%____78_______6________37
AFOS_____44.2%____77_______7________34

win % dont give you nothing,only points. In division 2 LOW have better win% but he will not move to next stage.
Acording to points(only finished games)
kort--8
pack--6
emp--4
ia-----4
aoc---4
tofu-4
afos--4
tsm--2

Win % still plays a huge roll in this event. If kort beats empire, aoc ties ia and loses to pack, ia beats tsm, we'd have a 3 way tie at 7 pts to fill to final spots. tofu may be in the mix as well, but may be a game or 2 short in win%. it's possible (would take a miracle) empire and ia even end up tied in pts and win % for the 4th and final spot.

qwert wrote:
final table prediction

1.KOrt--10--[46-38]
2.PACK---8--[45-39]
3.EMP----8--[44-40]
4.AOC----7--[44-40]
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5.IA-----7--[41-43]
6.TOFU---7--[40-44]
7.AFOS---5--[37-47]
8.TSM----4--[39-45]

well before you get in position to determine order by HEad to head, you need to get 3 teams with same number of points and with same game diference.
Its need to look like this:
3.EMP----7--[44-40]
3.AOC----7--[44-40]
3. IA----7--[44-40]
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then you make new table and first look on head to head results
EMP-AOC-4-8
AOC-IA-6-6
EMP-IA 8-4
head to head table will look
3.AOC--3--[14-10]
4.EMP--2--[12-12]
5.IA----1--[10-14]
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but i think that this hard to hepend.

PROFITS · Post by **PROFITS** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:07 pm

There is still a possibility of IA, TOFU, AND AOC all ending up at 7 pts 42-42 record. Head to head to head would equal ia 14, tofu 12, aoc 10. IA would advance in this scenario from what I understand.

betiko · Post by **betiko** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:13 pm

you are the only one confused here qwert. why would you need a 3 teams tie to determine by head to head? 2 teams can end up with the same points and same number of phase 2 overall victories. that's when you look at the head to head skermish result.

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:45 am

betiko wrote:you are the only one confused here qwert. why would you need a 3 teams tie to determine by head to head? 2 teams can end up with the same points and same number of phase 2 overall victories. that's when you look at the head to head skermish result.

? no its look that you are confused, because we talk abouth posibility that you have 3 teams with same number of points and same number of win/lost games. Ofcourse that you can have 2 teams head to head also. In some situation,you even can have 4 teams head to head, but hard to hepend here.

You want to say,that its not possibile 3 teams ti have same number of points and win/lost diference?

tokle · Post by **tokle** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:24 am

qwert wrote:
betiko wrote:you are the only one confused here qwert. why would you need a 3 teams tie to determine by head to head? 2 teams can end up with the same points and same number of phase 2 overall victories. that's when you look at the head to head skermish result.

? no its look that you are confused, because we talk abouth posibility that you have 3 teams with same number of points and same number of win/lost games. Ofcourse that you can have 2 teams head to head also. In some situation,you even can have 4 teams head to head, but hard to hepend here.

You want to say,that its not possibile 3 teams ti have same number of points and win/lost diference?

It is possible. But I don't see what you are confused about. I think the rules are clear.

tokle · Post by **tokle** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:38 am

Round 1:
PACK 8-4 TOFU
AOC 5-6 IA
AFOS 5-7 EMP
TSM 5-7 KORT

Round 2:
IA 5-7 PACK
EMP 5-7 TOFU
KORT 7-5 AOC
TSM 4-8 AFOS

Round 3:
PACK 4-8 EMP
IA 4-8 KORT
TOFU 5-6 TSM
AOC 8-4 AFOS

Round 4:
KORT 7-5 PACK
TSM 6-5 EMP
AFOS 4-7 IA
AOC 4-7 TOFU

Round 5:
PACK 4-8 TSM
KORT 5-7 AFOS
EMP 4-7 AOC
IA 8-4 TOFU

Round 6:
AFOS 2-10 PACK
AOC 7-4 TSM
TOFU 5-5 KORT
IA 4-6 EMP

Round 7:
PACK 6-3 AOC
AFOS 5-5 TOFU
TSM 2-5 IA
KORT 3-5 EMP

31 games left.

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:36 am

tokle wrote:
qwert wrote:
betiko wrote:you are the only one confused here qwert. why would you need a 3 teams tie to determine by head to head? 2 teams can end up with the same points and same number of phase 2 overall victories. that's when you look at the head to head skermish result.

? no its look that you are confused, because we talk abouth posibility that you have 3 teams with same number of points and same number of win/lost games. Ofcourse that you can have 2 teams head to head also. In some situation,you even can have 4 teams head to head, but hard to hepend here.

You want to say,that its not possibile 3 teams ti have same number of points and win/lost diference?

It is possible. But I don't see what you are confused about. I think the rules are clear.

im not confused, betiko are confused. He think that 3 teams can not be determined by head to head.

Leehar · Post by **Leehar** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:51 am

qwert wrote:
tokle wrote:
qwert wrote:
betiko wrote:you are the only one confused here qwert. why would you need a 3 teams tie to determine by head to head? 2 teams can end up with the same points and same number of phase 2 overall victories. that's when you look at the head to head skermish result.

? no its look that you are confused, because we talk abouth posibility that you have 3 teams with same number of points and same number of win/lost games. Ofcourse that you can have 2 teams head to head also. In some situation,you even can have 4 teams head to head, but hard to hepend here.

You want to say,that its not possibile 3 teams ti have same number of points and win/lost diference?

It is possible. But I don't see what you are confused about. I think the rules are clear.

im not confused, betiko are confused. He think that 3 teams can not be determined by head to head.

qwert wrote:
League position is determined firstly by Total Points, then by Total Games Won, then by comparing Head-to-Head rounds between any tied teams. If this still does not separate teams then a best-of-3 Play-Off will take-place (Random Trips, Escalating, Chained, Sunny).

head to head results,games or rounds? Its realy confusing when rules are not explane enough.
I assume that in first place are head to head results,then games, and round dont know what reffered.

lord voldemort · Post by **lord voldemort** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:45 pm

I dont even know whats happening....

I feel like its best to just win the games you can and let teflon sort it out

I do hope we make the top 4 though...either way its pretty insane how tight we all are

yes that was a euphemism

betiko · Post by **betiko** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:07 pm

Leehar wrote:
qwert wrote:
tokle wrote:
qwert wrote:
betiko wrote:you are the only one confused here qwert. why would you need a 3 teams tie to determine by head to head? 2 teams can end up with the same points and same number of phase 2 overall victories. that's when you look at the head to head skermish result.

? no its look that you are confused, because we talk abouth posibility that you have 3 teams with same number of points and same number of win/lost games. Ofcourse that you can have 2 teams head to head also. In some situation,you even can have 4 teams head to head, but hard to hepend here.

You want to say,that its not possibile 3 teams ti have same number of points and win/lost diference?

It is possible. But I don't see what you are confused about. I think the rules are clear.

im not confused, betiko are confused. He think that 3 teams can not be determined by head to head.

qwert wrote:
League position is determined firstly by Total Points, then by Total Games Won, then by comparing Head-to-Head rounds between any tied teams. If this still does not separate teams then a best-of-3 Play-Off will take-place (Random Trips, Escalating, Chained, Sunny).

head to head results,games or rounds? Its realy confusing when rules are not explane enough.
I assume that in first place are head to head results,then games, and round dont know what reffered.

qwert says; "first place are head to head results". no, that is not true; that comes third as everyone is explaining.
And when did I say a X number of teams tied is not possible? I said that you didn't need to show a 3 team tie to illustrate when we use the head to head tie break, which can occur with 2 teams tied... it's all much more simple.

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:41 pm

>>>betiko
qwert says; "first place are head to head results". no, that is not true; that comes third as everyone is explaining.
And when did I say a X number of teams tied is not possible? I said that you didn't need to show a 3 team tie to illustrate when we use the head to head tie break, which can occur with 2 teams tied... it's all much more simple.<<<

Unbelivabile, i have show combination of 3 team head to head, from mine discussion with Proffit, what could hepend, and you find that this its not true? Do you understand meaning of words " possibile situation" " example" " maybe could hepend"
And where you find that i say "first place are head to head results", because i can not remember any mine post to be so short with only one sentence?

ok,i find,and i must say that your take only small part of mine words out of contest, so that look that i tell wrong. Please next time be much precise.

League position is determined firstly by Total Points, then by Total Games Won, then by comparing Head-to-Head rounds between any tied teams. If this still does not separate teams then a best-of-3 Play-Off will take-place (Random Trips, Escalating, Chained, Sunny).

head to head results,games or rounds? Its realy confusing when rules are not explane enough.
I assume that in first place are head to head results,then games, and round dont know what reffered.

I say correct, but you dont understand.
League position determine by;
1-Total points
2-Total game won
after that if you have tied teams,then its determined
1-head to head results(points)
2-head to head game won
well this its what i conclude from this rules above,maybe we dont read in same way?

Seulessliathan · Post by **Seulessliathan** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:32 am

I suggest everybody who believes other guys can´t read the rules take it to pm so you can have a private fight there. It´s annoying to watch this thread believing there are some interesting news and then it´s just some guys telling each other they can´t read. Thanks.

Teflon Kris · Post by **Teflon Kris** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 7:11 pm

Scores and table updated.

8-)

betiko · Post by **betiko** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 7:31 pm

qwert, you just said that you were confused by the rules and said something untrue in your first post of this page; replies from various people were done quoting you so stop acting all worked up like that. I see that now you do understand the rule, so good, end of discution.

lynch5762 · Post by **lynch5762** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:53 am

tokle wrote:Round 1:
PACK 8-4 TOFU
AOC 5-6 IA
AFOS 5-7 EMP
TSM 5-7 KORT

Round 2:
IA 5-7 PACK
EMP 5-7 TOFU
KORT 7-5 AOC
TSM 4-8 AFOS

Round 3:
PACK 4-8 EMP
IA 4-8 KORT
TOFU 5-6 TSM
AOC 8-4 AFOS

Round 4:
KORT 7-5 PACK
TSM 6-5 EMP
AFOS 4-7 IA
AOC 4-7 TOFU

Round 5:
PACK 4-8 TSM
KORT 5-7 AFOS
EMP 4-7 AOC
IA 8-4 TOFU

Round 6:
AFOS 2-10 PACK
AOC 7-4 TSM
TOFU 5-5 KORT
IA 4-6 EMP

Round 7:
PACK 6-3 AOC
AFOS 5-5 TOFU
TSM 2-5 IA
KORT 3-5 EMP

31 games left.

I think round 7 is off a bit... I have PACK vs AOC at 5-4 and soon to be 6-5 in favor of the Pack.
AOC is fighting hard for a tie in the last game of that match

jetsetwilly · Post by **jetsetwilly** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:31 am

lynch5762 wrote:
tokle wrote:Round 1:
PACK 8-4 TOFU
AOC 5-6 IA
AFOS 5-7 EMP
TSM 5-7 KORT

Round 2:
IA 5-7 PACK
EMP 5-7 TOFU
KORT 7-5 AOC
TSM 4-8 AFOS

Round 3:
PACK 4-8 EMP
IA 4-8 KORT
TOFU 5-6 TSM
AOC 8-4 AFOS

Round 4:
KORT 7-5 PACK
TSM 6-5 EMP
AFOS 4-7 IA
AOC 4-7 TOFU

Round 5:
PACK 4-8 TSM
KORT 5-7 AFOS
EMP 4-7 AOC
IA 8-4 TOFU

Round 6:
AFOS 2-10 PACK
AOC 7-4 TSM
TOFU 5-5 KORT
IA 4-6 EMP

Round 7:
PACK 6-3 AOC
AFOS 5-5 TOFU
TSM 2-5 IA
KORT 3-5 EMP

31 games left.

I think round 7 is off a bit... I have PACK vs AOC at 5-4 and soon to be 6-5 in favor of the Pack.
AOC is fighting hard for a tie in the last game of that match

Not sure which game you are referring to but I see a definite 7-5 result for the pack.

denthefrog · Post by **denthefrog** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:41 pm

TOFU Vs KORT and KORT VS EMP will both be a draw

jetsetwilly · Post by **jetsetwilly** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 3:20 pm

So just trying to get my head around this.

If we win the Conquer Rome game with IA then we draw and both end on 7 points.
TOFU need to win Hive games against TSM and AFOS to get the 2 draws required to take them to 7 points ?

Leehar · Post by **Leehar** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 3:42 pm

denthefrog wrote:TOFU Vs KORT and KORT VS EMP will both be a draw

Pity we couldn't take Prohib Escalating

Think that could have pipped the phase 2 medals. Looks like you'll have 10 then, and us 8; instead of 9/9 and then phase 2 champion based on WP.

Still, it just brings home how tight this whole competition has been. A coupla more wins for us and we'd have been 1st; A coupla more losses, and we'd have fallen outside the top 4!

denthefrog · Post by **denthefrog** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 3:48 pm

medals?
i dont think anybody in kort was aware of geting medals for phase 2
nice surprise

Leehar · Post by **Leehar** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 3:57 pm

denthefrog wrote:medals?
i dont think anybody in kort was aware of geting medals for phase 2
nice surprise

lol, and you guys came up with the format

Yup, each phase 2 winner Division winner gets a medal.

Kinda weird tho, because all we'd have had to do was purposefully do worse for our Phase 1 results, and get an easier shot at 2 sets of medals for phase 2 and 4 wins in a lower division.
Thankfully I don't think that was in anyone's mind, but it does seem a bit nonsensical and bears looking into for future seasons.

tokle · Post by **tokle** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:16 pm

Round 1:
PACK 8-4 TOFU
AOC 5-6 IA
AFOS 5-7 EMP
TSM 5-7 KORT

Round 2:
IA 5-7 PACK
EMP 5-7 TOFU
KORT 7-5 AOC
TSM 4-8 AFOS

Round 3:
PACK 4-8 EMP
IA 4-8 KORT
TOFU 5-6 TSM
AOC 8-4 AFOS

Round 4:
KORT 7-5 PACK
TSM 6-5 EMP
AFOS 4-7 IA
AOC 4-7 TOFU

Round 5:
PACK 4-8 TSM
KORT 5-7 AFOS
EMP 4-7 AOC
IA 8-4 TOFU

Round 6:
AFOS 2-10 PACK
AOC 7-4 TSM
TOFU 5-6 KORT
IA 4-7 EMP

Round 7:
PACK 6-5 AOC
AFOS 5-5 TOFU
TSM 3-6 IA
KORT 6-5 EMP

Great-Ollie · Post by **Great-Ollie** » Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:17 am

Game 11176748 All down to this game against AOC to determine if we receive 8 points or 7 points. Come on PACK!

Sniper08 · Post by **Sniper08** » Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:26 am

Great-Ollie wrote:Game 11176748 All down to this game against AOC to determine if we receive 8 points or 7 points. Come on PACK!

even if by some chance we end up losing that game(unlikely but the way this phase has gone not totally out of the question) i think we have a better w/l then the other 7 pts clans

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