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Re: Is CC Declining?
Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:57 am
by Gillipig
Phatscotty wrote:And maybe it's just the global recession?
Problem solved! No need to think anymore guys. Phatscotty has succesfully posted the answer to everything!!
The sea levels are rising. Why? The recession of course! Bear attacks are more frequent. Why? The recession!
Re: Is CC Declining?
Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 7:49 am
by natty dread
Phatscotty wrote:And maybe it's just the global recession?
People quit playing a free-to-play browser game because of recession.
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Re: Is CC Declining?
Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:39 pm
by Symmetry
Gillipig wrote:But isn't it nice in some way though? That the policy of just sitting back, not updating, not renewing, not giving the members their moneys worth, is actually having some consequences. Albeit he doesn't think it's related to that. It's just a matter of drop off in sign ups to him.
A well made point that, and one worth considering. A decline to a stable middle point might not be a bad thing. Not all businesses need to constantly expand in order to succeed.
Re: Is CC Declining?
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:31 am
by Agent 86
Ha ha, a decline to the stable mid-point..that's good so what happens when it continues to slide. Another excuse..my god I've been in China for 7 years and have heard every excuse under the sun. If you don't get my last statement then you all need some culture, business culture that is.
86
Re: Is CC Declining?
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:28 pm
by Woodruff
Symmetry wrote:Gillipig wrote:But isn't it nice in some way though? That the policy of just sitting back, not updating, not renewing, not giving the members their moneys worth, is actually having some consequences. Albeit he doesn't think it's related to that. It's just a matter of drop off in sign ups to him.
A well made point that, and one worth considering. A decline to a stable middle point might not be a bad thing. Not all businesses need to constantly expand in order to succeed.
Free money, baby! No effort expended, money still comes in.
Re: Is CC Declining?
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:13 pm
by Symmetry
Woodruff wrote:Symmetry wrote:Gillipig wrote:But isn't it nice in some way though? That the policy of just sitting back, not updating, not renewing, not giving the members their moneys worth, is actually having some consequences. Albeit he doesn't think it's related to that. It's just a matter of drop off in sign ups to him.
A well made point that, and one worth considering. A decline to a stable middle point might not be a bad thing. Not all businesses need to constantly expand in order to succeed.
Free money, baby! No effort expended, money still comes in.
Talk to my landlord, dude rakes it in and still won't mend the roof in the pantry.
Re: Is CC Declining?
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:29 pm
by natty dread
Pirlo wrote:When I look at the number of online users, I see it's like only 60% of the number I used to find a year ago.
This indicates CC is not even stable and non-growing; rather, it's declining!
17315 are the current users. I think they used to be +20.000 last year.
jpcloet wrote:There is a summer lull every year.
Apparently, this years summer lull is at 14k.
No but really, it's kind of funny - this thread is a year old, last year's summer people were worried that CC is declining because there was only 17k members. Now there's 14k. That's 3000 members lost in a year. Three. Thousand.
I don't think there's any question about it - CC is dying. Only drastic measures could save it now, but I'm not holding my breath, the admins have shown repeatedly that they do not listen to the concerns of the users.
Re: Is CC Declining?
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:38 am
by Dako
No of 'Results' on Scoreboard
Sep 05 2011: 17315
Sep 22 2011: 16637
Oct 24 2011: 16192
[Oct 24 2011: Conqueror Cup Promo Email Sent Out]
Oct 28 2011: 17000+
Nov 7 2011: 17458
Nov 10 2011: 17423
Nov 14 2011: 17423
Nov 25 2011: 17282
Nov 29 2011: 17055
Dec 14 2011: 16800
April 15 2012 - 15883
May 14 2012 - 15283
June 19 2012 - 14737
July 12 2012 - 14501
Anyone willing to make an extrapolation here and provide us with a graph?
Re: Is CC Declining?
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:39 am
by Gillipig
As you command lol.
To make a decent graph we really need more than just the last 10 months. Data from three years ago until now would illustrate the downspiral more clearly. You'd then see the yearly drop off around summer and increase in winter. And you'd see that the lowest point sinks for every year and then highest point sinks for every year.
Re: Is CC Declining?
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:50 am
by Dako
I have those numbers from the mod forum but I cannot share them by myself here, sorry.
I know that the statistics is not that good but we can get some info from it nonetheless.
Re: Is CC Declining?
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:19 pm
by BigBallinStalin
Gillipig wrote:As you command lol.
To make a decent graph we really need more than just the last 10 months. Data from three years ago until now would illustrate the downspiral more clearly. You'd then see the yearly drop off around summer and increase in winter. And you'd see that the lowest point sinks for every year and then highest point sinks for every year.
SELL! SELL! SELL!
Re: Is CC Declining?
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:20 pm
by BigBallinStalin
Dako wrote:I have those numbers from the mod forum but I cannot share them by myself here, sorry.
I know that the statistics is not that good but we can get some info from it nonetheless.
How concerned is the mod forum on the steady decline? And are they willing to constructively deal with this, or is something or someone preventing that from happening?
Re: Is CC Declining?
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:21 pm
by Ace Rimmer
Not from the mod forum, but the wayback machine:
4/11/08: 21,424
4/15/08: 21,443
4/30/08: 21,650
5/13/08: 22,894
5/23/08: 23,949
6/12/08: 23,661
6/19/08: 23,245
9/13/08: 23,533
9/20/08: 23,406
9/29/08: 22,642
10/10/08: 21,962
10/20/08: 21,684
11/1/08: 21,056
12/11/08: 19,848
12/17/08: 19,971
12/26/08: 20,256
1/7/09: 20,946
1/29/09: 22,130
2/10/09: 22,503
2/22/09: 22,811
3/7/09: 23,039
3/23/09: 22,726
3/23/10: 20,839
4/6/10: 20,570
4/17/10: 20,270
4/29/10: 20,128
5/12/10: 19,899
5/26/10: 19,730
6/8/10: 19,770
6/23/10: 19,707
7/6/10: 19,729
7/24/10: 19,506
8/8/10: 19,081
8/26/10: 19,050
9/14/10: 20,025
12/23/10: 21,130
7/8/11: 18,353
7/20/11: 18,180
Re: Is CC Declining?
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:47 pm
by Gillipig
You're an ace Ace
!
Re: Is CC Declining?
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:38 pm
by Gillipig
I had no data for large sections but I think the trend is pretty clear.
[bigimg]http://i.imgur.com/JPcaG.jpg[/bigimg]
Re: Is CC Declining?
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:28 pm
by Woodruff
BigBallinStalin wrote:Gillipig wrote:As you command lol.
To make a decent graph we really need more than just the last 10 months. Data from three years ago until now would illustrate the downspiral more clearly. You'd then see the yearly drop off around summer and increase in winter. And you'd see that the lowest point sinks for every year and then highest point sinks for every year.
SELL! SELL! SELL!
Interesting that you should say that.
Re: Is CC Declining?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:14 am
by Dako
BigBallinStalin wrote:Dako wrote:I have those numbers from the mod forum but I cannot share them by myself here, sorry.
I know that the statistics is not that good but we can get some info from it nonetheless.
How concerned is the mod forum on the steady decline? And are they willing to constructively deal with this, or is something or someone preventing that from happening?
All the mods are concerned. We suggest some different ideas from time to time. Unfortunately, this is the only thing we can do - all the meaningful work must be done by admins. And they don't share with us their plans. We only know that they are working on search engine optimization so CC is higher in ranks when you search for some key words in google.
There is no one preventing anything. I think the problem is that CC has only one person doing everything here - site owner, lackattack. I don't know if he has money or not, if he spends it for the site or not.
Re: Is CC Declining?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:24 am
by jltile1
Dako wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:Dako wrote:I have those numbers from the mod forum but I cannot share them by myself here, sorry.
I know that the statistics is not that good but we can get some info from it nonetheless.
How concerned is the mod forum on the steady decline? And are they willing to constructively deal with this, or is something or someone preventing that from happening?
All the mods are concerned. We suggest some different ideas from time to time. Unfortunately, this is the only thing we can do - all the meaningful work must be done by admins. And they don't share with us their plans. We only know that they are working on search engine optimization so CC is higher in ranks when you search for some key words in google.
There is no one preventing anything. I think the problem is that CC has only one person doing everything here - site owner, lackattack. I don't know if he has money or not, if he spends it for the site or not.
Ok so what is the key word RISK ? It sure is not anything else just my thought
Re: Is CC Declining?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:50 am
by Dako
There are many keywords, some of them are phrases like "play risk online". I don't know them all because they are kind of hidden on the pages. But I know that CC has 5-20 keywords/phrases.
Right now front page has following explicit keywords listed in the code - "conquer club,game,online game,free game,board game,multiplayer,world domination".
Re: Is CC Declining?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:49 am
by GoranZ
Dako wrote:We only know that they are working on search engine optimization so CC is higher in ranks when you search for some key words in google.
wow CC is doomed to fail...
There is ad from CC for quite some time on google, so CC is always first when it comes to searching "risk online" phrase(or variation of it). That can not be optimized more then it is now
... Additionally new key words will not bring significant number of players on long run(take promo mail for example).
The main problems are different...
CC fails to keep the current members, or even relatively new members.
Re: Is CC Declining?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:06 am
by Pedronicus
How about changing the opening welcome screen to something like this:
Re: Is CC Declining?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:26 am
by notyou2
Here are the keywords for search engine optimization the site is currently using:
conquer club,game,online game,free game,board game,multiplayer,world domination
Lack seems to be lacking a number of search words such as "strategy gaming".
He needs to change the terminology he is using.
Re: Is CC Declining?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:15 pm
by natty dread
notyou2 wrote:Here are the keywords for search engine optimization the site is currently using:
conquer club,game,online game,free game,board game,multiplayer,world domination
Lack seems to be lacking a number of search words such as "strategy gaming".
He needs to change the terminology he is using.
Irrelevant. Advertising can only increase the influx of new customers but not the retention rate, and the retention rate is what the problem is currently.
Re: Is CC Declining?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:41 pm
by Ace Rimmer
natty dread wrote:notyou2 wrote:Here are the keywords for search engine optimization the site is currently using:
conquer club,game,online game,free game,board game,multiplayer,world domination
Lack seems to be lacking a number of search words such as "strategy gaming".
He needs to change the terminology he is using.
Irrelevant. Advertising can only increase the influx of new customers but not the retention rate, and the retention rate is what the problem is currently.
+1
Re: Is CC Declining?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:05 pm
by Pirlo
Ace Rimmer wrote:natty dread wrote:notyou2 wrote:Here are the keywords for search engine optimization the site is currently using:
conquer club,game,online game,free game,board game,multiplayer,world domination
Lack seems to be lacking a number of search words such as "strategy gaming".
He needs to change the terminology he is using.
Irrelevant. Advertising can only increase the influx of new customers but not the retention rate, and the retention rate is what the problem is currently.
+1
+2