Conquer Club

Agreed, WP cows! I think we learned a little something about ourselves in this challenge... we will be back... and third time will be the charm.

Nice win Kort; hard battle I'm sure in playing Empire; plethora of talent between both clans.

Well played challenge EMPIRE. Your skill is matched only by your good sportsmanship. It's always been a pleasure going up against you guys.

agonzos wrote:Well played challenge EMPIRE. Your skill is matched only by your good sportsmanship. It's always been a pleasure going up against you guys.

Can say the same of you all, has been a great challenge indeed! I learned a lot in the games I was in, not only in camararedie, but also hopefully some future tips that I can use as ammo in the episode of this clan war!

Remaining games :

EMPIRE Batch 1
Game 9714285 advtage Kort

EMPIRE Batch 2
Game 9790358 not decided advtage Kort
Game 9790367 advtage Empire advtage Kort but not decided

KoRT Batch 3
Game 9868287 advtage Kort
Game 9868285 advtage Empire but not decided
Game 9868286 advtage Empire

EMPIRE Batch 3
Game 9868725 not decided advtage Empire
Game 9868721 advtage Kort but not decided

Masli wrote:

BYUwonder11 wrote:Nice sigs on both sides, and what is this bet I hear about?

Winner gets Bruce

Damn, looks like we have to keep him... again

Masli wrote:

Masli wrote:

BYUwonder11 wrote:Nice sigs on both sides, and what is this bet I hear about?

Winner gets Bruce

Damn, looks like we have to keep him... again

Well, a win always have some negative sides besides positive ones

Game 9790367 Goes to KORT !!!

Great battle Tippers

congrats kort, see you in the finals.

jalen45 wrote:congrats kort, see you in the finals.

I hope...gl in the tie-breakers monkeys

Great challenge. Thanks for the fun and games!

good job KORT

Thanks for the great games, KoRT; very enjoyable competition!

2 games left

Bruceswar wrote:Prediction Based on what is left

Games leaning in Kort's favor: 14
FNA Quads
King's Court Triples
Antartica Doubles
Third Crusade Quads
Bamboo Jack Quads
Hive Triples
World 2.1 Triples
Stalingrad Triples
Chinese Checkers Triples
WW II Gazala Doubles
Scotland Doubles
American Civil War Doubles
Third Crusade Doubles
Imp Rom Triples


Games leaning in Empire's Favor: 5
Battle of Iraq Triples
WW II Gazala Quads
Hive Quads - not finished
WW II Europe Quads - not finished
King's Court Doubles

Bruce is like the Nostradamus of 2011. Of 19 predicted games, he was correct about 17 of them - with 2 still ongoing.

And we turned hive around Woohoo!

Bruceswar wrote:And we turned hive around Woohoo!

Yeah, very frustrating game. Deploy 14 and only take 4 singles every rd. ::sigh::

To your credit you guys put yourself in a position to take advantage if our dice turned as cold as they did. To think we were up like 70 terts at one point and you come back...

jj3044 wrote:

Bruceswar wrote:And we turned hive around Woohoo!

Yeah, very frustrating game. Deploy 14 and only take 4 singles every rd. ::sigh::

To your credit you guys put yourself in a position to take advantage if our dice turned as cold as they did. To think we were up like 70 terts at one point and you come back...

please dont tell me about dice, in first 2 turns of the game we got -24 dice in 2 opening attacking turns. there were at least 35 times clicked "attack" in those turns, every time with 3v2 dice or 3v1 dice. and outcome was -24. If anyone need to regret for terrible dice, that are we as those dice gave you advantage which we needed 7 rounds to catch. and btw, your shity dice from last turn have anyway happened when the game was already decided (you should not it with your huge experience on the map), so even if you got mediocre or great dice on your turn, we would still have huge advantage and win.

if you want some plain fact (not subjective opinion like dice is) here it is:
2011-10-25 13:17:21 - josko.ri [team]: 171-245 (total troop count after my turn, round 4)

on that time, when your team had at least +74 troops (number counted with assuming you had all 1's in fog), total drop count in upcoming round was 42-39 in our favor.

I am sorry that I need to tell this (but your public dice comment provoked it) but I think if a team cannot manage to have more than -3 drop in a round with +74 troops on the table, says enough about how important role dice had and how important role strategy had.

josko definitely has some sort of spider sense for dice comments.

josko.ri wrote:

jj3044 wrote:

Bruceswar wrote:And we turned hive around Woohoo!

Yeah, very frustrating game. Deploy 14 and only take 4 singles every rd. ::sigh::

To your credit you guys put yourself in a position to take advantage if our dice turned as cold as they did. To think we were up like 70 terts at one point and you come back...

please dont tell me about dice, in first 2 turns of the game we got -24 dice in 2 opening attacking turns. there were at least 35 times clicked "attack" in those turns, every time with 3v2 dice or 3v1 dice. and outcome was -24. If anyone need to regret for terrible dice, that are we as those dice gave you advantage which we needed 7 rounds to catch. and btw, your shity dice from last turn have anyway happened when the game was already decided (you should not it with your huge experience on the map), so even if you got mediocre or great dice on your turn, we would still have huge advantage and win.

if you want some plain fact (not subjective opinion like dice is) here it is:
2011-10-25 13:17:21 - josko.ri [team]: 171-245 (total troop count after my turn, round 4)

on that time, when your team had at least +74 troops (number counted with assuming you had all 1's in fog), total drop count in upcoming round was 42-39 in our favor.

I am sorry that I need to tell this (but your public dice comment provoked it) but I think if a team cannot manage to have more than -3 drop in a round with +74 troops on the table, says enough about how important role dice had and how important role strategy had.

Just a thought, but if you were that far down, in order to recover you would need to have incredible dice, and Empire to have terrible dice. Not just this last round when it was already over, but throughout those 7 rounds you were catching up. That is a logical statement based solely on the facts. Thanks for trying though

malevolous wrote:

josko.ri wrote:

jj3044 wrote:

Bruceswar wrote:And we turned hive around Woohoo!

Yeah, very frustrating game. Deploy 14 and only take 4 singles every rd. ::sigh::

To your credit you guys put yourself in a position to take advantage if our dice turned as cold as they did. To think we were up like 70 terts at one point and you come back...

please dont tell me about dice, in first 2 turns of the game we got -24 dice in 2 opening attacking turns. there were at least 35 times clicked "attack" in those turns, every time with 3v2 dice or 3v1 dice. and outcome was -24. If anyone need to regret for terrible dice, that are we as those dice gave you advantage which we needed 7 rounds to catch. and btw, your shity dice from last turn have anyway happened when the game was already decided (you should not it with your huge experience on the map), so even if you got mediocre or great dice on your turn, we would still have huge advantage and win.

if you want some plain fact (not subjective opinion like dice is) here it is:
2011-10-25 13:17:21 - josko.ri [team]: 171-245 (total troop count after my turn, round 4)

on that time, when your team had at least +74 troops (number counted with assuming you had all 1's in fog), total drop count in upcoming round was 42-39 in our favor.

I am sorry that I need to tell this (but your public dice comment provoked it) but I think if a team cannot manage to have more than -3 drop in a round with +74 troops on the table, says enough about how important role dice had and how important role strategy had.

Just a thought, but if you were that far down, in order to recover you would need to have incredible dice, and Empire to have terrible dice. Not just this last round when it was already over, but throughout those 7 rounds you were catching up. That is a logical statement based solely on the facts. Thanks for trying though

Is it just a thought, or based on facts? I fail to find one fact in your argument. Could you point me to it?

It's been such a pleasant challenge. Do we have to resort to dice bitching now?

malevolous wrote:

josko.ri wrote:

jj3044 wrote:

Bruceswar wrote:And we turned hive around Woohoo!

Yeah, very frustrating game. Deploy 14 and only take 4 singles every rd. ::sigh::

To your credit you guys put yourself in a position to take advantage if our dice turned as cold as they did. To think we were up like 70 terts at one point and you come back...

please dont tell me about dice, in first 2 turns of the game we got -24 dice in 2 opening attacking turns. there were at least 35 times clicked "attack" in those turns, every time with 3v2 dice or 3v1 dice. and outcome was -24. If anyone need to regret for terrible dice, that are we as those dice gave you advantage which we needed 7 rounds to catch. and btw, your shity dice from last turn have anyway happened when the game was already decided (you should not it with your huge experience on the map), so even if you got mediocre or great dice on your turn, we would still have huge advantage and win.

if you want some plain fact (not subjective opinion like dice is) here it is:
2011-10-25 13:17:21 - josko.ri [team]: 171-245 (total troop count after my turn, round 4)

on that time, when your team had at least +74 troops (number counted with assuming you had all 1's in fog), total drop count in upcoming round was 42-39 in our favor.

I am sorry that I need to tell this (but your public dice comment provoked it) but I think if a team cannot manage to have more than -3 drop in a round with +74 troops on the table, says enough about how important role dice had and how important role strategy had.

Just a thought, but if you were that far down, in order to recover you would need to have incredible dice, and Empire to have terrible dice. Not just this last round when it was already over, but throughout those 7 rounds you were catching up. That is a logical statement based solely on the facts. Thanks for trying though

We were not actually down. We were down in troop count, but drop per round count were around equal or in our favor: this is fact how drop per round went (I consider "a round" from pink to red, because then one cycle of reduced drop ends):
R1 40-47
R2 42-44
R3 41-43
R4 42-39
R5 41-37
R6 43-36
R7 43-34
R8 39-34
R9 41-33

What I call luck is: having +74 troops in situation (round 4) when drop was only +8 for empire to that point. how do you think a team can have +74 troops with only +8 drop used if that is not extremely high luck in dice?

What I call strategy is: having less troops but more drop. if someone manage to do it, that means his team outplayed opponents because they used their available troops much better than opponents did.

Or they had great dice... I'm not in the game, but I really find it difficult to accept as logical the argument that you played better just from the facts provided. Here is a logical proof
Both clans are incredibly talented, Empire started out with good luck, and had a lot more troops and more reinforcements(+8 is still more). Assuming that empire didn't suicide away the troops against their own stacks, they had to disappear somehow. As there is only one other way for troops to disappear faster from one team than the other, I think its perfectly logical to expect that the loss of so many troops to be from some imbalance in that factor. Thus, that other factor (dice) were imbalanced: before round 4 for empire, after round 4 for KoRT.

At the same time, as was previously stated, you had to play well to take advantage of a dice imbalance, so don't view this as scapegoating, just a logical inference to explain such a large swing.

Woah woah woah there. Josko, I complimented your team in the statement, but you completely overlooked it and only saw me complaining about the dice. Please don't get defensive, it wasn't an attack. I think you are a bit too sensitive sometimes. Everyone has dice swings, and both teams had massive swings in that game, a game where when you are deploying typically between 10-14 troops average per person, per round, dice swings can have massive consequences rather quickly.

Again, you played well, and I don't take it away from you. Let's move on, shall we?