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Re: Antarctica <v15>
Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:46 am
by natty dread
Industrial Helix wrote:Of course. Colourblind filters were used when the colours were chosen in the first place.
That's what I like to hear!
Ok, I think I'm having some difficulty telling the difference between shelves and ice. Perhaps up the contrast in the texture on the shelves a bit to make it clearer.
I'll try but it's not easy without making them look weird.
The minimap... look at the words amundsenland and wilkes tundra. Now look at the words Antarctic Peninsula. Amundsenland and Wilkes Tundra are faded and their blacks aren't as dark. It looks like there's a translucent layer hovering over them. The same thing is happening with the word impassables in the adjacent legend.
The text itself is fully opaque, but they have a dropshadow which is probably what you're noticing. Of course the drop shadow looks darker on top of the dark ocean. I'll increase the opacity of the dropshadow somewhat, I hope it helps.
Re: Antarctica <v16>
Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:47 pm
by natty dread
Ok, as of now, things that were previously discussed have been actualized in visual form.
Additionally, the map has been smallified.
[bigimg]http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3125/antarctic9.png[/bigimg]
[bigimg]http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/5332/antarctic9s.png[/bigimg]
Re: Antarctica <v16> smallified!
Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:39 pm
by Industrial Helix
But why would the drop shadow be less dark when its over the land. I swear, it looks like some layer is over top it. However you do it, you need to make it consistent between words hanging over the sea and those over the land. It's particularly bothersome on the small map.
Outside of that, nothing is apparent to me that is out of order. I'll get some other eyes on it and hopefully we can wrap this up in a timely manner.
Re: Antarctica <v16> smallified!
Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:45 pm
by Victor Sullivan
Industrial Helix wrote:But why would the drop shadow be less dark when its over the land. I swear, it looks like some layer is over top it. However you do it, you need to make it consistent between words hanging over the sea and those over the land. It's particularly bothersome on the small map.
Outside of that, nothing is apparent to me that is out of order. I'll get some other eyes on it and hopefully we can wrap this up in a timely manner.
Ah! I finally see what you're talking about now. Hm, that is weird... I don't find it terribly distracting, myself, but whatevs. What I do still find distracting is the contrast between HL and pretty much all the other colors of the bonus areas - it stands out way too much for me. I'd say make it paler, less dark. Also, the white lines (for lack of a better description) in MBL could stand to have lower opacity, they stand out a lot more there than anywhere else.
Anyways, just my humble opinion. Take what you will.
Re: Antarctica <v16> smallified!
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:43 am
by natty dread
Industrial Helix wrote:But why would the drop shadow be less dark when its over the land. I swear, it looks like some layer is over top it. However you do it, you need to make it consistent between words hanging over the sea and those over the land. It's particularly bothersome on the small map.
There's no layer on top of it. The drop shadow is the same colour, but it is, like dropshadows usually are, transparent. The difference in lightness between the land and the sea is so large that the drop shadow is noticeably darker on the sea.
Re: Antarctica <v16> smallified!
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:15 am
by natty dread
Victor Sullivan wrote:What I do still find distracting is the contrast between HL and pretty much all the other colors of the bonus areas - it stands out way too much for me. I'd say make it paler, less dark. Also, the white lines (for lack of a better description) in MBL could stand to have lower opacity, they stand out a lot more there than anywhere else.
Anyways, just my humble opinion. Take what you will.
Victor, I know I've turned down a lot of your suggestions lately, and I don't want you to feel like I'm snubbing you... it's just that sometimes you don't seem to grasp the priorities of graphical design in maps. But hey, you're still a bit new at this, and we all have to start somewhere, right? Don't take this the wrong way though.
In this case, your suggestion to change the colours based on that you think the colours should be more uniform is a bit misguided. The main priority for choosing colours is a utilitarian view: the colours need to be visible and clear, for colourblind people as well as everyone else. For Antarctica, the colours have been carefully choosed to be distinguishable for both of the most common colourblindness types, and they even work with Tritanopy... so any further changes to them would be counter-productive.
As for the texture standing out more in MBL, it is natural for textures to be more prominent on darker areas. I think it's cool that they show better there. Gives the map some flavor. If an overwhelming consensus arises that this should be changed, then I'll look for other solutions, but as of now I feel it should stay as is.
So, here's with another dropshadow fix. I think this is the best I can do for them.
[bigimg]http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/3125/antarctic9.png[/bigimg]
[bigimg]http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5332/antarctic9s.png[/bigimg]
Re: Antarctica <v16> smallified!
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:43 am
by natty dread
The names for losing conditions give interesting opportunities to mess with game logs.
When someone is eliminated via losing condition, the game log shows:
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PlayerX no longer holds <name of losing condition>
As this is the only instance where the name of the losing condition is shown, we can do funny things with it. For example:
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PlayerX no longer holds a Base - sucks for him!
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PlayerX no longer holds a Base and freezes to death.
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PlayerX no longer holds any Bases, all his Bases belong to us
Re: Antarctica <v16> smallified!
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:55 am
by theBastard
I like this map. just, I spoke about this - I think that striped impassable could be redraw as other impassables.
and are "Selfs" passable/regions?
Re: Antarctica <v16> smallified!
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:06 am
by natty dread
On another note, the XML is finished.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2010/2/7/2 ... ctica2.xmlHere are test results for:
[spoiler=large maps]88:s
888:s
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=small maps]88:s
888:s
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=colourblind test]Protanopia
Deuteranopia
[/spoiler]
Thebastard, the penguin habitat stays. A map of antarctica must have at least one penguin. Shelves are killer neutrals.
Re: Antarctica <v16> smallified!
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:08 am
by theBastard
I have nothing against penguin. only stripped area does not fit with the rest of map...
Re: Antarctica <v16> smallified!
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:31 am
by natty dread
What would you have instead of stripes then?
Re: Antarctica <v16> smallified!
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:45 am
by natty dread
Oops, seems I forgot to align the central territories on the small map. Here's screenshot of the corrected small map:
[bigimg]http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6091/anta88s.png[/bigimg]
Re: Antarctica <v16> smallified!
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:08 am
by theBastard
natty_dread wrote:What would you have instead of stripes then?
in legend you have two types of impassable (except mountains). why the stripped area does not could be as other impassable?
Re: Antarctica <v16> smallified!
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:16 am
by isaiah40
natty_dread wrote:The names for losing conditions give interesting opportunities to mess with game logs.
When someone is eliminated via losing condition, the game log shows:
Code: Select all
PlayerX no longer holds <name of losing condition>
As this is the only instance where the name of the losing condition is shown, we can do funny things with it. For example:
Code: Select all
PlayerX no longer holds a Base - sucks for him!
Code: Select all
PlayerX no longer holds a Base and freezes to death.
Code: Select all
PlayerX no longer holds any Bases, all his Bases belong to us
How about:
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This is a crying shame that PlayerX no longer holds two bases and freezes to death
I think we can come up with something to play around.
Re: Antarctica <v16> smallified!
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:36 am
by carlpgoodrich
It seems like it needs to start with "PlayerX no longer holds ..." but I like "PlayerX no longer holds a Base and freezes to death." Give some spice to the otherwise boring game log.
Re: Antarctica <v16> smallified!
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:41 am
by natty dread
You can't modify the beginning of the sentence, only the name of the losing condition...
So if we set the name of the losing condition as "a base and freezes to death" then the game log will show
"Player X no longer holds a base and freezes to death".
Thebastard, the other (white) impassables are ice shelves that are too small to be territories. The penguin area is on the land, so it can't be the same as the impassable ice. Diagonal stripes are universally used to signify that something is off limits, but if there are better options, I'm willing to listen.
edit: fastposted by carl. I will make it so that it says "and freezes to death".
Re: Antarctica <v16> smallified!
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:08 pm
by Industrial Helix
Ok, so what happens if you make the letters black? You need to find some way to make the letters uniform in the minimap.
Re: Antarctica <v16> smallified!
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:13 pm
by natty dread
Black doesn't really work, it's too hard to read on that background.
Re: Antarctica <v16> smallified!
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:57 pm
by ender516
Personally, I don't have a big problem with the look of the minimap and its text, but if something must be done, would it be possible to add another layer with extra shading only where the text is now, and inversely proportioned to the brightness of the map underneath?
Re: Antarctica <v16> smallified!
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:28 pm
by Industrial Helix
Well, I'm pretty ambivalent on what exactly gets done, that's up to Natty, but something needs to be done.
Re: Antarctica <v16> smallified!
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:56 pm
by natty dread
how's this then
[bigimg]http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3125/antarctic9.png[/bigimg]
[bigimg]http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5332/antarctic9s.png[/bigimg]
Re: Antarctica <v16> smallified!
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:19 pm
by Victor Sullivan
natty_dread wrote:"Player X no longer holds a base and freezes to death".
Amazing! I love it!
Re: Antarctica <v16> smallified!
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:39 pm
by natty dread
So how are the latest images? Is the text ok now or does it need further tweaking?
Re: Antarctica <v16> smallified!
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:04 pm
by isaiah40
Further tweaking. It looks as if the text is slightly transparent. If you look at everywhere the text is on top of the mini-map it is subdued.
Re: Antarctica <v16> smallified!
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:51 pm
by natty dread
OK, how about now?????????
[bigimg]http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2273/antarctic10.png[/bigimg]
[bigimg]http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/2135/antarctic10s.png[/bigimg]