Conquer Club

Incandenza wrote:Just out of curiosity, why do Legion's wins against B clans get discarded, yet a loss to a B clan like the Wort (a disbanded B clan at that) get counted? Seems like some double jeopardy to me.

yea! And what about the untouchables? That loss should be struck as well...

Incandenza wrote:Just out of curiosity, why do Legion's wins against B clans get discarded, yet a loss to a B clan like the Wort (a disbanded B clan at that) get counted? Seems like some double jeopardy to me.

good point Inc., I guess I will let JP answer that one.

Snowgun wrote:

Incandenza wrote:Just out of curiosity, why do Legion's wins against B clans get discarded, yet a loss to a B clan like the Wort (a disbanded B clan at that) get counted? Seems like some double jeopardy to me.

yea! And what about the untouchables? That loss should be struck as well...

Statistically, the results show that WOW was an A clan. They faded about the same time IB did, although IB is still kicking around.

The Untouchables were one of the strongest clans on the site and were certainly A class. While they are not on the ladder they were a strong 3-1 and one of the few A clans with a winning record. Some of their challenges are about to age out soon. There are a number of challenges in Aug/Sep/Oct aging out that will change the ladder.

jpcloet wrote:Confirmed Legion is 1-5. Most of your wins came against B class clans.

victories on
Generation One: The Clan 36 games results

defeated by
EMPIRE 31 games results
Sky Force 60 games results
The Spanking Monkeys 40 games results
The Untouchables 39 games results
The Warlords of the Wort 21 games results

Actually, this would be a nice reason to standardize the clan war settings and apply them to this ladder "class" system...a 40 game min challenge would erase the Empire war (too short), the Untouchables war, and the WOW war. There is no shame in any of our loses, TSM is at the top of their game and Sky Force was one hell of force at the time we played them. All of our loses were very competitive. Also, it really isn't our fault that all of our other victories (quite a few) are against clans that never rose through the ranks...since most of them broke up while or shortly after we beat them (hell, O&H just did the same thing a week ago!) Oh well, if I were a betting man, I would bet the Legion will be around for years to come and we will jump around in two year snapshots...or whatever random time period gets chosen Still, it is nice to be considered a Top 10 clan, especially by a player like Blitzy. Lates.

40 games is the min on the first Tier, but we grandfathered the old challenges. 20 was very common back then, but we have slowly grown. Will be a vote in the CLA on raising 1 clan to A level status. Those <40 games are weighted very low.

Heck SF is still here as AFoS, and Empire did have a spinoff to DB.

jpcloet wrote:The Untouchables were one of the strongest clans on the site and were certainly A class. While they are not on the ladder they were a strong 3-1 and one of the few A clans with a winning record.

agreed, during that time Untouchables were a real strong clan.

Blitzaholic wrote:2006

1. Dragoons
2. Bushwackers
3. Stachewackers
4. CWC
5. Bounty Hunters
6. Legionaires of Chaos
7. Scion of Glory (holes)
8. Gridiron Gang
9. Freelancers
10. Elmo's War Legion


2007

1. Thota
2. Dragoons
3. Lod
4. Untouchables
5. Stachewackers
6. Bushwackers
7. Regulators
8. Bounty Hunters
9. Low
10. Koe


2008

1. Thota
2. Low
3. Tsm
4. Dragoons
5. Untouchables
6. Empire
7. Lod
8. ++The Legion++
9. Gen. 1
10. VDLL


2009

1. Thota
2. Tsm
3. Low
4. IA
5. Empire
6. ++The Legion++
7. Dragoons
8. BSS
9. BpB
10. AOD


2010?

any predictions for top 10 for 2010?


let's hear em!

1-3 : tofu, tsm, thota
4-6: ia, empire, low
7-10: G1, kort, bpb, aod

Cannot tell exact rankings for each place.

Dako wrote:1-3 : tofu, tsm, thota
4-6: ia, empire, low
7-10: G1, kort, bpb, aod

Cannot tell exact rankings for each place.

How can you have Empire above G1, KORT and BPB. Both in playoffs(not counting G1), and Empire is in a deadlock with Myth? Just a question.

Hmmm, since 2007 have gone from Untouchables to LoW to TOFU. That only leaves one place on the board.....

1. TOFU
2. THOTA
3. LoW
4. TSM
5. IA
6. KORT
not sure about the rest

Bruceswar wrote:

Dako wrote:1-3 : tofu, tsm, thota
4-6: ia, empire, low
7-10: G1, kort, bpb, aod

Cannot tell exact rankings for each place.

How can you have Empire above G1, KORT and BPB. Both in playoffs(not counting G1), and Empire is in a deadlock with Myth? Just a question.

Yeah, I just saw the same in league tables. Looks like I like the guys too much :-D. Thanks for pointing out! Maybe swap them with G1/KORT - both are looking very good now.

Chariot of Fire wrote:Hmmm, since 2007 have gone from Untouchables to LoW to TOFU. That only leaves one place on the board.....

1. TOFU
2. THOTA
3. LoW
4. TSM
5. IA
6. KORT
not sure about the rest

nice bias CoF, you may want to beat the top 3 to 4 clans all first and not lose to any other clan as well.

I am quite sure you would need to play IA and beat them to move up in top 3, then you would need to beat Tsm and move into top 2, then beat us, then you may be number 1, but, not until you have played and beaten the top clans, which you may be able to do, but, until you play them and beat them, you will be around top 5, around 4 or 5. Also, Kort was barely in 18th place on Jp's latest update and was almost a B clan, I doubt they could jump all the way to 6 (up 12 slots) ? You have a right to your view, but, try to make them a little realistic bro.

If 2010 were to end right now, well, here is where the 10 would be.

Jp's newest update March 2010

1. Thota
2. Tsm
3. IA
4. Tofu
5. Low
6. Empire
7. ID
8. Aod
9. O+H
10. Gen 1


11. Legion
12. Bss
13. DD
14. Nemesis
15. BpB
16. EE
17. DVLL
18. Kort


of course a lot still could happen with 8 months left.

Dako wrote:1-3 : tofu, tsm, thota
4-6: ia, empire, low
7-10: G1, kort, bpb, aod

Cannot tell exact rankings for each place.

no dragoons, interesting.

Blitzaholic wrote:1. Thota
2. Tsm
3. IA
4. Tofu
5. Low
6. Empire
7. ID
8. Aod
9. O+H
10. Gen 1

O&H number 9? Really? So far in 2010 they have lost to us, they have lost to Legion, are currently losing to LoW by double the score in the CC, and they broke in half taking almost all the players who played in the challenge with us... I wouldn't put them ahead of anyone you have in the top 15 or KORT.

edit: Just saw that was jp's rankings which don't include 2 of the 3 I mentioned and aren't your estimates. Ignore me

I think LOW and Nemesis are going to have a strong year.At the end of 2010 here is my thoughts..

1.THOTA
2.TSM
3.LOW
4.TOFU
5.Nemesis
6.IA
7.Empire
8.Aod
9.G1
10.ID

Big Whiskey wrote:I think LOW is going to make a strong comeback this year.At the end of 2010 here is my thoughts..

1.THOTA
2.TSM
3.LOW
4.TOFU
5.AI
6.Empire
7.Aod
8.G1
9.ID
10.KORT

I'm with you on the LoW comeback BW. The guys have done a great job in the CLA and the new members they recruited have now settled in, so I don't expect them to be easy oppo for anyone. I still like to think we'll be top contenders come year end though, whether we've faced you guys or not. The margin of any victory speaks volumes and so far we've done a pretty good job. And playing CLA at 82% (even in Div.2) is no small feat given 50% of the games, i.e. the doubs, can be very drop/start dependent.

I'm pretty happy with being the dark horse (not in your stable tho, hehe) that the established clans may wish to avoid right now.

I keep editing Cof,lol this is tougher than I thought pal

Chariot of Fire wrote:

Big Whiskey wrote:I think LOW is going to make a strong comeback this year.At the end of 2010 here is my thoughts..

1.THOTA
2.TSM
3.LOW
4.TOFU
5.AI
6.Empire
7.Aod
8.G1
9.ID
10.KORT

I'm with you on the LoW comeback BW. The guys have done a great job in the CLA and the new members they recruited have now settled in, so I don't expect them to be easy oppo for anyone. I still like to think we'll be top contenders come year end though, whether we've faced you guys or not. The margin of any victory speaks volumes and so far we've done a pretty good job. And playing CLA at 82% (even in Div.2) is no small feat given 50% of the games, i.e. the doubs, can be very drop/start dependent.

I'm pretty happy with being the dark horse (not in your stable tho, hehe) that the established clans may wish to avoid right now.

U guys were top contenders as soon as TOFU formed Simon.TOFU is a very strong clan.I would luv to see TOFU go against LOW or the Monki's.It would be a great battle.I have a feeling we will be seeing TOFU in the near future.

Big Whiskey wrote:
1.THOTA
2.TSM
3.LOW
4.TOFU
5.AI
6.Empire
7.Aod
8.G1
9.ID
10.KORT

This is fucking cracked. G1 8th? And ++the legion++ isn't even listed, tho we just worked over O&H, have beat G1, and are neck and neck with ID in the conquercup.

Yes we got run over in clan league, but everyone knows why, and is that going to be 90% of the ranking metric?

Well whatever, I guess we just gotta keep crackin till someone pays attention. (we were even forgotten from the fucking clan ranking add-on )

Bones2484 wrote:

Blitzaholic wrote:1. Thota
2. Tsm
3. IA
4. Tofu
5. Low
6. Empire
7. ID
8. Aod
9. O+H
10. Gen 1

O&H number 9? Really? So far in 2010 they have lost to us, they have lost to Legion, are currently losing to LoW by double the score in the CC, and they broke in half taking almost all the players who played in the challenge with us... I wouldn't put them ahead of anyone you have in the top 15 or KORT.

edit: Just saw that was jp's rankings which don't include 2 of the 3 I mentioned and aren't your estimates. Ignore me

correct bones, this is bound to change in another few months and I am sure JP will have a new update around June or mid summer. If I had to guess now, mine would be pretty close to what JP has, here goes:

1. Thota
2. Tsm
3. IA
4. Tofu
5. Low
6. Empire
7. ID
8. Legion
9. Aod
10. Gen 1

11. honorable mention-nemesis

remember, there is still 8 more long months to go.

Snowgun wrote:

Big Whiskey wrote:
1.THOTA
2.TSM
3.LOW
4.TOFU
5.AI
6.Empire
7.Aod
8.G1
9.ID
10.KORT

This is fucking cracked. G1 8th? And ++the legion++ isn't even listed, tho we just worked over O&H, have beat G1, and are neck and neck with ID in the conquercup.

Yes we got run over in clan league, but everyone knows why, and is that going to be 90% of the ranking metric?

Well whatever, I guess we just gotta keep crackin till someone pays attention. (we were even forgotten from the fucking clan ranking add-on )

sorry Snowgun.I didn't mean any disrespect m8.That list was off the top of my head.If you notice,I edited a few times.The list is just my guess what it will look like at the end of the year.I wasn't aware that Legion beat G1+O&H.Well done there.I will take sometime tomorrow and really have a look at all the clans and give a review.Thanks for that info.


BW

Blitzaholic wrote:

Bones2484 wrote:

Blitzaholic wrote:1. Thota
2. Tsm
3. IA
4. Tofu
5. Low
6. Empire
7. ID
8. Aod
9. O+H
10. Gen 1

O&H number 9? Really? So far in 2010 they have lost to us, they have lost to Legion, are currently losing to LoW by double the score in the CC, and they broke in half taking almost all the players who played in the challenge with us... I wouldn't put them ahead of anyone you have in the top 15 or KORT.

edit: Just saw that was jp's rankings which don't include 2 of the 3 I mentioned and aren't your estimates. Ignore me

correct bones, this is bound to change in another few months and I am sure JP will have a new update around June or mid summer. If I had to guess now, mine would be pretty close to what JP has, here goes:

1. Thota
2. Tsm
3. IA
4. Tofu
5. Low
6. Empire
7. ID
8. Legion
9. Aod
10. Gen 1

11. honorable mention-nemesis

remember, there is still 8 more long months to go.

Nice to see all the love for KORT.

Big Whiskey wrote:
sorry Snowgun.I didn't mean any disrespect m8.That list was off the top of my head.If you notice,I edited a few times.The list is just my guess what it will look like at the end of the year.I wasn't aware that Legion beat G1+O&H.Well done there.I will take sometime tomorrow and really have a look at all the clans and give a review.Thanks for that info.

BW

Don't sweat it Whiskey, I didn't mean to pick on you specifically since everyone's top 10 had us in the dust bin, I just happened to quote you.

We just kept seeing our status ignored by everyone, then everyone always betting against us, and then we get left off the fucking clan ranking add-on (but the jesus freaks and manga clan make it?) I almost spit my coffee all over my computer.

It's so bad it's actually kinda funny.

Big Whiskey wrote:I think LOW and Nemesis are going to have a strong year.At the end of 2010 here is my thoughts..

1.THOTA
2.TSM
3.LOW
4.TOFU
5.Nemesis
6.IA
7.Empire
8.Aod
9.G1
10.ID

You THOTA guys really haven't bothered putting any stock in the clan league have you, which jp said will affect the clan league positions. Guess you are still bitter at KORT taking one of your best player sjnap to even bother listing them in one of your pretentious lists, personally I think they are the better clan and I guessed they would beat you guys in the clan league predictions.

nagerous wrote:You THOTA guys really haven't bothered putting any stock in the clan league have you, which jp said will affect the clan league positions. Guess you are still bitter at KORT taking one of your best player sjnap to even bother listing them in one of your pretentious lists, personally I think they are the better clan and I guessed they would beat you guys in the clan league predictions.

If you're going to talk shit, best to get your facts in order.

And to be honest, Kort would be on a lot more lists if they'd win a few more challenges. Clan league is important, but it isn't the end-all be-all.