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Napoleon Ier wrote:I don't generalize about the suitability of hetero couples. I believe in extremely careful checks into what sort of couple adopt a child. Once more I am misrepresented by uninformed philistinic leftist rabble who have little other substantiated argument than accuse me of bigotry and being a nasty wacist.


And once again you get your can-can frillies in a twist. I didn't call you a racist, or a bigot, and i'm not from Palestine.

Anyway - you are generalising. You are generalising about gay couples. And don't start whining about unsubstantiated arguments, because you have none. i'm not sure i even made an argument, just pointed out your uter wrongness. Again.
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bellaraphon wrote:
Skittles! wrote:that gays are the biggest, meanest, baddest things in the whole universe! Even worse than Muslims


that is very rascist...

I sure do hope you know I was kidding and I sure do hope that you yourself are kidding.
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muy_thaiguy wrote:How about instead of Catholic Priests...

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News flash, Muy, the Knights Templar were Catholic! Well, they out-putted they were.
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Skittles! wrote:News flash, Muy, the Knights Templar were Catholic! Well, they out-putted they were.


I think he was trying to say 'instead of catholic priests why not have catholic soldiers?'
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JoeCorden wrote:
Skittles! wrote:News flash, Muy, the Knights Templar were Catholic! Well, they out-putted they were.


I think he was trying to say 'instead of catholic priests why not have catholic soldiers?'

Right, cause the Catholic priests actually impart that they do homosexual things and the knights didn't.

Very good muy, very good. :wink:
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French bishop convicted for failing to tell police of paedophile priest
By John Lichfield in Paris
Published: 05 September 2001

A French bishop was given a suspended jail sentence yesterday for covering up the paedophile activities of one of his parish priests – the first time a senior French clergyman has been convicted of a crime since the Revolution.

A French bishop was given a suspended jail sentence yesterday for covering up the paedophile activities of one of his parish priests – the first time a senior French clergyman has been convicted of a crime since the Revolution.

Monsignor Pierre Pican, the Bishop of Bayeux, was tried in June for failing to tell the police authorities that one of his priests had admitted sexually abusing boys in his care. The prosecution was the first of its kind in France and forced the French Catholic Church to revise publicly its advice to prelates on how to deal with paedophile priests.

The court in Caen, Normandy, gave the bishop a three-month suspended sentence – less than the public prosecutor had requested. But the conviction, which was "regretted" by a French Church spokesman, creates a legal precedent that may force the Church to reconsider the relationship between a bishop and his priests.

Abbé René Bissey admitted to the bishop that he had sexually abused boys but Mgr Pican took no action, except to move him to another parish. The admission was made outside the confessional but the bishop told the court that he believed that it was covered by the secrecy of his "professional" relationship with the priest.

Abbé Bissey was later convicted of sexual assaults on minors but none of these acts took place after the priest's admission to his bishop. Jean Chevais, a lawyer for the families of some of the victims, said the conviction of the bishop was a "turning point. I hope this will cause the Church to examine its conscience and no longer cover up these kinds of crimes," he said.

The bishop's lawyer, Thierry Massis, said he was surprised by the verdict since "no child suffered from the bishop's silence. It's an extremely important decision because, as far as I know, it's the first time that a bishop has been convicted in France since the Revolution." The lawyer said Mgr Pican would consider an appeal.

The bishop – and the Church – argued in court that under canon law, a bishop's relationship with a parish priest was privileged and covered by professional secrecy. The Church did, however, issue a circular before the trial advising prelates that every effort should be made to persuade paedophile priests to confess to the legal authorities.

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http://www.nogaymarriage.com/tenarguments.asp


Argument #1.
The implications for children in a world of decaying families are profound. A recent article in the Weekly Standard described how the advent of legally sanctioned gay unions in Scandinavian countries has already destroyed the institution of marriage, where half of today's children are born out of wedlock.

It is predicted now, based on demographic trends in this country, that more than half of the babies born in the 1990s will spend at least part of their childhood in single-parent homes.

Social scientists have been surprisingly consistent in warning against this fractured family. If it continues, almost every child will have several "moms" and "dads," perhaps six or eight "grandparents," and dozens of half-siblings. It will be a world where little boys and girls are shuffled from pillar to post in an ever-changing pattern of living arrangements-where huge numbers of them will be raised in foster-care homes or living on the street (as millions do in other countries all over the world today). Imagine an environment where nothing is stable and where people think primarily about themselves and their own self-preservation.

The apostle Paul described a similar society in Romans 1, which addressed the epidemic of homosexuality that was rampant in the ancient world and especially in Rome at that time. He wrote, "They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless" (v. 29-31, NIV).

It appears likely now that the demise of families will accelerate this type of decline dramatically, resulting in a chaotic culture that will be devastating to children.

Argument #2
The introduction of legalized gay marriages will lead inexorably to polygamy and other alternatives to one-man, one-woman unions.

In Utah, polygamist Tom Green, who claims five wives, is citing Lawrence v. Texas as the legal authority for his appeal. This past January, a Salt Lake City civil rights attorney filed a federal lawsuit on behalf of another couple wanting to engage in legal polygamy. Their justification? Lawrence v. Texas.

The ACLU of Utah has actually suggested that the state will "have to step up to prove that a polygamous relationship is detrimental to society"-as opposed to the polygamists having to prove that plural marriage is not harmful to the culture. Do you see how the game is played? Despite 5,000 years of history, the burden now rests on you and me to prove that polygamy is unhealthy. The ACLU went on to say that the nuclear family "may not be necessarily the best model." Indeed, Justice Antonin Scalia warned of this likelihood in his statement for the minority in the Lawrence case.10 It took less than six months for his prediction to become reality.

Why will gay marriage set the table for polygamy? Because there is no place to stop once that Rubicon has been crossed. Historically, the definition of marriage has rested on a bedrock of tradition, legal precedent, theology and the overwhelming support of the people.

After the introduction of marriage between homosexuals, however, it will be supported by nothing more substantial than the opinion of a single judge or by a black-robed panel of justices. After they have done their wretched work, the family will consist of little more than someone's interpretation of "rights."

Given that unstable legal climate, it is certain that some self-possessed judge, somewhere, will soon rule that three men and one woman can marry. Or five and two, or four and four. Who will be able to deny them that right? The guarantee is implied, we will be told, by the Constitution. Those who disagree will continue to be seen as hate-mongers and bigots. (Indeed, those charges are already being leveled against those of us who espouse biblical values!) How about group marriage, or marriage between relatives, or marriage between adults and children? How about marriage between a man and his donkey? Anything allegedly linked to "civil rights" will be doable. The legal underpinnings for marriage will have been destroyed.

Argument #3
An even greater objective of the homosexual movement is to end the state's compelling interest in marital relationships altogether. After marriages have been redefined, divorces will be obtained instantly, will not involve a court, and will take on the status of a driver's license or a hunting permit. With the family out of the way, all rights and privileges of marriage will accrue to gay and lesbian partners without the legal entanglements and commitments heretofore associated with it.

Argument #4
With the legalization of homosexual marriage, every public school in the nation will be required to teach that this perversion is the moral equivalent of traditional marriage between a man and a woman. Textbooks, even in conservative states, will have to depict man/man and woman/woman relationships, and stories written for children as young as elementary school, or even kindergarten, will have to give equal space to homosexuals.

Argument #5
From that point forward, courts will not be able to favor a traditional family involving one man and one woman over a homosexual couple in matters of adoption. Children will be placed in homes with parents representing only one sex on an equal basis with those having a mom and a dad. The prospect of fatherless and motherless children will not be considered in the evaluation of eligibility. It will be the law.

Argument #6
Foster-care parents will be required to undergo "sensitivity training" to rid themselves of bias in favor of traditional marriage, and will have to affirm homosexuality in children and teens.

Argument #7
How about the impact on Social Security if there are millions of new dependents that will be entitled to survivor benefits? It will amount to billions of dollars on an already overburdened system. And how about the cost to American businesses? Unproductive costs mean fewer jobs for those who need them. Are state and municipal governments to be required to raise taxes substantially to provide health insurance and other benefits to millions of new "spouses and other dependents"?

Argument #8
Marriage among homosexuals will spread throughout the world, just as pornography did after the Nixon Commission declared obscene material "beneficial" to mankind.11 Almost instantly, the English-speaking countries liberalized their laws against smut. America continues to be the fountainhead of filth and immorality, and its influence is global.

The point is that numerous leaders in other nations are watching to see how we will handle the issue of homosexuality and marriage. Only two countries in the world have authorized gay marriage to date-the Netherlands and Belgium. Canada is leaning in that direction, as are numerous European countries. Dr. Darrell Reid, president of Focus on the Family Canada, told me two weeks ago that his country is carefully monitoring the United States to see where it is going. If we take this step off a cliff, the family on every continent will splinter at an accelerated rate. Conversely, our U.S. Supreme Court has made it clear that it looks to European and Canadian law in the interpretation of our Constitution.13 What an outrage! That should have been grounds for impeachment, but the Congress, as usual, remained passive and silent.

Argument #9
Perhaps most important, the spread of the Gospel of Jesus Christ will be severely curtailed. The family has been God's primary vehicle for evangelism since the beginning.

Its most important assignment has been the propagation of the human race and the handing down of the faith to our children. Malachi 2:15 reads, referring to husbands and wives, "Has not the Lord made them one? In flesh and spirit they are His. And why one? Because He was seeking godly offspring. So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith with the wife of your youth" (NIV).

That responsibility to teach the next generation will never recover from the loss of committed, God-fearing families. The younger generation and those yet to come will be deprived of the Good News, as has already occurred in France, Germany and other European countries. Instead of providing for a father and mother, the advent of homosexual marriage will create millions of motherless children and fatherless kids. This is morally wrong, and is condemned in Scripture. Are we now going to join the Netherlands and Belgium to become the third country in the history of the world to "normalize" and legalize behavior that has been prohibited by God himself? Heaven help us if we do!

Argument #10
The culture war will be over, and I fear, the world may soon become "as it was in the days of Noah" (Matthew 24:37, NIV). This is the climactic moment in the battle to preserve the family, and future generations hang in the balance.

This apocalyptic and pessimistic view of the institution of the family and its future will sound alarmist to many, but I think it will prove accurate unless-unless-God's people awaken and begin an even greater vigil of prayer for our nation. That's why Shirley and I are urgently seeking the Lord's favor and asking Him to hear the petitions of His people and heal our land.

As of this time, however, large segments of the church appear to be unaware of the danger; its leaders are surprisingly silent about our peril (although we are tremendously thankful for the efforts of those who have spoken out on this issue). The lawless abandon occurring recently in California, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Washington and elsewhere should have shocked us out of our lethargy. So far, I'm alarmed to say, the concern and outrage of the American people have not translated into action.

This reticence on behalf of Christians is deeply troubling. Marriage is a sacrament designed by God that serves as a metaphor for the relationship between Christ and His Church. Tampering with His plan for the family is immoral and wrong. To violate the Lord's expressed will for humankind, especially in regard to behavior that He has prohibited, is to court disaster.
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Some may fore go the good of marriage to serve a higher calling (cf. Matt. 19:10-12), but it is a good nevertheless.
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Beastly wrote:Argument #1.
The implications for children in a world of decaying families are profound. A recent article in the Weekly Standard described how the advent of legally sanctioned gay unions in Scandinavian countries has already destroyed the institution of marriage, where half of today's children are born out of wedlock.

Marriages are already failing. I don't see how gay marriage will further create divorces. Marriages are failing because of greed and the like, not because some people of the same sex, that you have never met, are getting married.

Argument #2
The introduction of legalized gay marriages will lead inexorably to polygamy and other alternatives to one-man, one-woman unions.

I also don't see how that would happen. Because gay marriage happens wouldn't mean there are more polygamy relationships.. If you want to do that, maybe get rid of the other people that do it instead? But wait, you can't do that! Because it's heterosexual marriages, not homosexual! That makes it all fine.

Argument #3
An even greater objective of the homosexual movement is to end the state's compelling interest in marital relationships altogether. After marriages have been redefined, divorces will be obtained instantly, will not involve a court, and will take on the status of a driver's license or a hunting permit. With the family out of the way, all rights and privileges of marriage will accrue to gay and lesbian partners without the legal entanglements and commitments heretofore associated with it.

I, again, do not see how allowing gay marriages would lead all to this. You are baffling me with these 'arguments'.

Argument #4
With the legalization of homosexual marriage, every public school in the nation will be required to teach that this perversion is the moral equivalent of traditional marriage between a man and a woman. Textbooks, even in conservative states, will have to depict man/man and woman/woman relationships, and stories written for children as young as elementary school, or even kindergarten, will have to give equal space to homosexuals.

A perversion, eh? Enlighten me how this is a perversion? Paedophilia and bestiality is a perversion, but not homosexuality. That is the same as calling heterosexually a perversion. And it is the moral equivalent, but I'm sure they don't teach about heterosexual marriages anyway in school, because I know I never got taught it.

Argument #5
From that point forward, courts will not be able to favor a traditional family involving one man and one woman over a homosexual couple in matters of adoption. Children will be placed in homes with parents representing only one sex on an equal basis with those having a mom and a dad. The prospect of fatherless and motherless children will not be considered in the evaluation of eligibility. It will be the law.

Why should the courts favour heterosexual marriages over homosexual couples in adoption anyway? That is immoral, bias and discriminating. How can countries that claim to be "Fair, equal and freedom" do that? It's defeating the purpose.

Argument #6
Foster-care parents will be required to undergo "sensitivity training" to rid themselves of bias in favor of traditional marriage, and will have to affirm homosexuality in children and teens.

News flash, homosexuality is around in teens. Shock and horror! I'm a teen, and guess what? I have a boyfriend! That is so amazing and so shocking, I must be the anti-Christ. Whoa whoa whoa. Call the headlines, a teenager is engaging in homosexual acts!

Argument #7
How about the impact on Social Security if there are millions of new dependents that will be entitled to survivor benefits? It will amount to billions of dollars on an already overburdened system. And how about the cost to American businesses? Unproductive costs mean fewer jobs for those who need them. Are state and municipal governments to be required to raise taxes substantially to provide health insurance and other benefits to millions of new "spouses and other dependents"?

I, again and again, do not see how gay marriage would have anything to do with American businesses and Social Security. Your work probably has homosexuals in it, and guess what? It's an American business! OH NOEZ, THERE IS A HOMOSEXUAL IN MY WORK PLACE! Why should you raise taxes for something that is already there? Seems like a scam to raise taxes and money to me. That would not happen anyway.

Argument #8
Marriage among homosexuals will spread throughout the world, just as pornography did after the Nixon Commission declared obscene material "beneficial" to mankind.11 Almost instantly, the English-speaking countries liberalized their laws against smut. America continues to be the fountainhead of filth and immorality, and its influence is global.

Homosexual marriage is already spreading throughout the world. Check Belgium, and your northern neighbour, Canada, for example. The US of A would not be the first to implement this 'perversion' and is not the fountainhead. I wish you would stop thinking otherwise.

Argument #9
Perhaps most important, the spread of the Gospel of Jesus Christ will be severely curtailed. The family has been God's primary vehicle for evangelism since the beginning.

UH-OH. GODS' WORD WILL BE QUESTIONED. It already is, and homosexual marriage is happening, and there's no way your "I-love-you-even-if-you-cross-me-you-will-go-to-hell" God can stop it.

Argument #10
The culture war will be over, and I fear, the world may soon become "as it was in the days of Noah" (Matthew 24:37, NIV). This is the climactic moment in the battle to preserve the family, and future generations hang in the balance.

Families are already breaking, even if gay marriage would be implemented in the USA. Gay marriage would actually help gain the marriage rate and probably slow down the divorce rate. It would help build families and keep things the way your God wants it.

Read things before you post them and think it rationally through. And I didn't quote all of the points because the first paragraph basically summed it up to me.
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Skittles! wrote:
And I didn't quote all of the points because the first paragraph basically summed it up to me.


And your Posts show that for sure!
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Beastly, I would just like to say that article is just as paranoid and nonsensical as Jay's conspiracy theories.

It claims that homosexual marriage will destroy heterosexual marriage (how, I don't know) and not only will children by born out of marriage (Shock! Horror!) but the parents themselves will be mutated by all the gay-radiation and split, like bacteria, forming several copies of themselves. These copies will, of course, be homosexual and will attempt to destroy Christianity with all their might.
That's the impression I got, anyway.
Hell, it pretends the Nuclear family is both a good idea and natural. That's crazy enough, without the rest of the crap they put in.



P.S. "After they have done their wretched work, the family will consist of little more than someone's interpretation of "rights." "
I love that line. Some people have absolutely no understanding of irony.
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Beastly wrote:
Skittles! wrote:
And I didn't quote all of the points because the first paragraph basically summed it up to me.


And your Posts show that for sure!

Yes, at least I don't resort to Right-Wing Christian propaganda to try and make my point across. :wink:
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Napoleon Ier wrote:
Dancing Mustard wrote:I'm just shocked that they didn't hold him back until he'd passed his SATs...
you haven't taken your common entrance yet so pipe down yeh?

And yet I'm still whooping your ass in every thread I post in...

Be ashamed Monsieur Nappy-l'Rash. Be very ashamed.
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Dancing Mustard wrote:Monsieur Nappy-l'Rash


Nappy, you need to change your username to this right away... For the good of the forum!

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Historically, the definition of marriage has rested on a bedrock of tradition, legal precedent, theology and the overwhelming support of the people.

After the introduction of marriage between homosexuals, however, it will be supported by nothing more substantial than the opinion of a single judge or by a black-robed panel of justices. After they have done their wretched work, the family will consist of little more than someone's interpretation of "rights."


Haha, Nappy doesn't even use his own words anymore.
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Napoleon Ier wrote:Historically, the definition of marriage has rested on a bedrock of tradition, legal precedent, and theology.
After the introduction of marriage between homosexuals, however, it will be supported by nothing more substantial than the opinion of a single judge or by a black-robed panel of justices. After they have done their wretched work, the family will consist of little more than someone's interpretation of "rights."


Snorri! You absolute legend!

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Snorri1234 wrote:
Historically, the definition of marriage has rested on a bedrock of tradition, legal precedent, theology and the overwhelming support of the people.

After the introduction of marriage between homosexuals, however, it will be supported by nothing more substantial than the opinion of a single judge or by a black-robed panel of justices. After they have done their wretched work, the family will consist of little more than someone's interpretation of "rights."
Haha, Nappy doesn't even use his own words anymore.

I think the best bit is that he uses words that don't even make sense.

Remind me how allowing gay marriage will deprive marriage of its "bedrock of tradition, legal precedent, and the overwhelming support of the people"?

Remind me how allowing divorcees to re-marry stripped it of its "bedrock of theology" back when that happened? How was that any different to allowing Gay Marriage now?



I'm afraid that I have to tell you this people; this thread has been absolutely hilarious reading... I've yet to see a single argument for opposing gay-marriage that hasn't collapsed the moment it's been exposed to the slightest gust of logic. Watching the shambolic attempts to defend century old discrimination and prejudice has been like watching what would happen if the Irrational Prejudice Society and the Irrational-Thought-Processes Marketing Board got together to organise some kind of awarenessraising carnival.

Basically, thanks for the laughs guys.
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True that wasn't a well expressed argument at all. I'm busy at the mment and don't have time to deal well with this overwhelming weight of gay-lovers.
I'll just say one more thing :

Homosexuals have been given the right to civil contracts which have allowed them to have the same rights as a married couple without the recognised name of "marriage". Is it reasonable that the administrative and legal aspect of their relationship should matter so much to such a large electorate that they willing to alter their choice of candidate based on this issue? Are there not issues far more pressing for society to decide upon than whether a different label is given to gay relationships? The answer is that media, lobbies and organizations have blown this matter far out of proportion, so as to make it a case voting issue. Voters need to decide on democratically expressing themselves on far more important matters, and this debate reveals a lack of understanding and real problem in American democracy.
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Napoleon Ier wrote:True that wasn't a well expressed argument at all.


Nor was it your own!
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Guiscard wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:True that wasn't a well expressed argument at all.


Nor was it your own!


Actually it was copied and pasted. I never do that without referencing unless I have a reason. In this case, the fact I don't really oppose gay marriage and just wanted debate. I get lambasted for this amongst some circles I frequent, believe me.
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Excerpt from "The Queerest Evening, or a Gay Summer's Eve".

(at the bar)

Dave: So, anyway, you won't believe the other night.
Mike: Nah- go on. What?
Dave: Well, we're having a pint.
Mike: Yeah...
Dave: Just me and Tony and his wife.
Mike: What's her name?
Dave: Hang on...
Mike: Tanya
Dave: Yeah, Tanya... Anyway, so Steve comes in...
Mike: Good guy, Steve.
Dave: So Steve comes in and just starts chatting up Tony.
Mike: No...
Dave: Yeah. And then, get this... Steve's husband came in.
Mike: Husband?
Dave: Yeah, turns out Steve is gay.
Mike: But I thought he was a good bloke.
Dave: No- turns out he's gay.
Mike: Well, as long as he's not gay around me, it's ok right? We can still play poker and drink together...
Dave: Sure, long as he's not gay when he does 'em. Then he's ok. Point is he broke up Tony and Tanya.
Mike: But Tony isn't gay!
Dave: He is now that they can marry.
Mike: I'm gonna divorce my wife now.
Dave: One step ahead of you mate, one step ahead of you...


Hmm... I won't be giving up the day job.
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Same-sex couples are being robbed of a privilege many of us heterosexual cohabitants take for granted - the meaningless sacrament of marriage. What are the benefits of marriage, hm? To me, marriage is but a coupon book for tax credits and minivans. Sure, I love my girlfriend, but why do I have to marry her? What exactly will that prove? Isn't it more romantic to know that your union will last a lifetime without the proverbial ball and chain hanging over your head?

Long story short - it's really not a big deal so let them marry.






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Beastly wrote:Argument #1.
The implications for children in a world of decaying families are profound. A recent article in the Weekly Standard described how the advent of legally sanctioned gay unions in Scandinavian countries has already destroyed the institution of marriage, where half of today's children are born out of wedlock.


Marriages are failing because people are being fucking idiots. People marry to easily and too young, and gay marriage is not going to change that. How is giving gay people the same rights changing anything?

It is predicted now, based on demographic trends in this country, that more than half of the babies born in the 1990s will spend at least part of their childhood in single-parent homes.

Right...so? First you should give your facts, and secondly you should actually prove this is as bad as parents constantly fighting over small things is better.
Social scientists have been surprisingly consistent in warning against this fractured family. If it continues, almost every child will have several "moms" and "dads," perhaps six or eight "grandparents," and dozens of half-siblings. It will be a world where little boys and girls are shuffled from pillar to post in an ever-changing pattern of living arrangements-where huge numbers of them will be raised in foster-care homes or living on the street (as millions do in other countries all over the world today).

Honestly? I've never actually heard about this from any reliable study, but then again I also don't give a f*ck.
What I do oppose against is the claim huge numbers of kids are living in foster care homes or on the street. I have never actually heard anything about this being the case in any major western country. Living on the street is a result of poverty, not marriage.
Imagine an environment where nothing is stable and where people think primarily about themselves and their own self-preservation.

Why should I?
The apostle Paul described a similar society in Romans 1, which addressed the epidemic of homosexuality that was rampant in the ancient world and especially in Rome at that time. He wrote, "They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless" (v. 29-31, NIV).

So we come to the root of the problem. The religious belief that homosexuals are evil and wicked.
Honestly, if you're going to cite religious texts to prove your point then there is no point in reasoning with you.

Argument #2
The introduction of legalized gay marriages will lead inexorably to polygamy and other alternatives to one-man, one-woman unions.


NO IT WON'T!

In Utah, polygamist Tom Green, who claims five wives, is citing Lawrence v. Texas as the legal authority for his appeal. This past January, a Salt Lake City civil rights attorney filed a federal lawsuit on behalf of another couple wanting to engage in legal polygamy. Their justification? Lawrence v. Texas.

Have they actually won?
Despite 5,000 years of history, the burden now rests on you and me to prove that polygamy is unhealthy.

Not actually unreasonable, as it's the case with everything.


Argument #4
With the legalization of homosexual marriage, every public school in the nation will be required to teach that this perversion is the moral equivalent of traditional marriage between a man and a woman.

And it's a good thing too!
Textbooks, even in conservative states, will have to depict man/man and woman/woman relationships, and stories written for children as young as elementary school, or even kindergarten, will have to give equal space to homosexuals.

Not really.
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Those arguments are terrible. The only good argument is that society should not have to recognise marriage outside natural law.
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Ok Nappy.. succinctly what do you beleive?

That Gay marriage will create an environment where rigid gender roles and identity become more plastic?
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