Conquer Club

It comes down to graphical accuracy vs gameplay legibility. And I think making the cards legible is much more important than making them look like real cards. Adding the full images to the center of each card will make it much harder to read the numbers.

ZeakCytho wrote:It comes down to graphical accuracy vs gameplay legibility. And I think making the cards legible is much more important than making them look like real cards. Adding the full images to the center of each card will make it much harder to read the numbers.

Yup. It was too hard to read. You can see it in this early draft of the map....

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6728/pokersv03zf3.png

BBoz wrote:

ZeakCytho wrote:It comes down to graphical accuracy vs gameplay legibility. And I think making the cards legible is much more important than making them look like real cards. Adding the full images to the center of each card will make it much harder to read the numbers.

Yup. It was too hard to read. You can see it in this early draft of the map....

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6728/pokersv03zf3.png

thanks...that makes sense

Hey, first off I love the map. great design. Here are a couple things i notice though.

It's extremely confusing about the bonuses; it sounds like only the player with the best had receives a bonus. On the previous page you explained that tis isn't so, but could it be made apparent?

On the face cards, the smaller suit next to the large suit in each corner seems redundant. If you got rid of the smaller suit, tis would also allow you to make each of the faces on the face cards a little bigger, which would be a plus because right now they look a little cramped (so much detail of the faces being so small). Just an idea to think about...

pebble wrote:Hey, first off I love the map. great design. Here are a couple things i notice though.

Cheers - it's taken a while to bring it all together.

pebble wrote:It's extremely confusing about the bonuses; it sounds like only the player with the best had receives a bonus. On the previous page you explained that tis isn't so, but could it be made apparent?

Perhaps we could change to "Your best hand gives bonus"?

pebble wrote:On the face cards, the smaller suit next to the large suit in each corner seems redundant. If you got rid of the smaller suit, tis would also allow you to make each of the faces on the face cards a little bigger, which would be a plus because right now they look a little cramped (so much detail of the faces being so small). Just an idea to think about...

That little suit bit is part of the face card graphics themselves...?

C.

OK - Centreing done on small map now...

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/1/19/ ... /poker.xml

C.

OK All centreing done now...

See images below...

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/1/19/ ... /poker.xml

[bigimg]http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/1/19/1707364/large_army_test.png[/bigimg]



C.

And to keep everything on the last page with links and images...

XML
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/1/19/ ... /poker.xml

Centreing TESTS
[bigimg]http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/1/19/1707364/large_army_test.png[/bigimg]


Version 11
Large
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/9526 ... 11lfs5.png
[bigimg]http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/9526/pokerv11lfs5.png[/bigimg]
Small
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/769/pokerv11sdq9.png


C.

yeti_c wrote:Perhaps we could change to "Your best hand gives bonus"?
C.

If you change this, I suggest the wording... "Only your best hand gives bonus"

BBoz wrote:

yeti_c wrote:Perhaps we could change to "Your best hand gives bonus"?
C.

If you change this, I suggest the wording... "Only your best hand gives bonus"

I think there will still be some that will find it confusing... Something that refers to "each player's best hand gives bonus" should please everyone. Although I'm not sure of a "nice" way to say it...

BBoz wrote:

yeti_c wrote:Perhaps we could change to "Your best hand gives bonus"?
C.

If you change this, I suggest the wording... "Only your best hand gives bonus"

I think this wording is pretty un confusable...

It's pretty obvious - we are still playing ri.. Conquer Club here... everyone knows we get bonuses for holding stuff!?

C.

And to keep everything on the last page with links and images...

XML
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/1/19/ ... /poker.xml

Centreing TESTS
[bigimg]http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/1/19/1707364/large_army_test.png[/bigimg]


Version 11
Large
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/9526 ... 11lfs5.png
[bigimg]http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/9526/pokerv11lfs5.png[/bigimg]
Small
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/769/pokerv11sdq9.png


C.

yeti_c wrote:

BBoz wrote:

yeti_c wrote:Perhaps we could change to "Your best hand gives bonus"?
C.

If you change this, I suggest the wording... "Only your best hand gives bonus"

I think this wording is pretty un confusable...

It's pretty obvious - we are still playing ri.. Conquer Club here... everyone knows we get bonuses for holding stuff!?

C.

actually...until I read these posts i assumed that only the best hand on the board would give a bonus, not your best hand...maybe something like, "only player's best bonus awarded each turn" I don't really like that...too wordy...but i do think it needs to be changed

Maybe "Each player only receives a bonus for their best hand"? I'm not sure you can cut it shorter than that while retaining its clarity.

The Best hand should Be:

The player which has the best par, house, or any other of the bonus setup get bonus. So Each catorgy only 1 player can have. or 2 if its pars ( Ace + Ace / Ace + Ace)

Androidz wrote:The Best hand should Be:

The player which has the best par, house, or any other of the bonus setup get bonus. So Each catorgy only 1 player can have. or 2 if its pars ( Ace + Ace / Ace + Ace)

But that's not how we want the map to work. Rather, each player can have more than one hand, but only their best one gives them a bonus. And multiple players can have the same hand. For instance, you and I could both have a full house, and we both get the bonus for it. But if I have a pair of threes and a full house, I only get the full house bonus.

ZeakCytho wrote:

Androidz wrote:The Best hand should Be:

The player which has the best par, house, or any other of the bonus setup get bonus. So Each catorgy only 1 player can have. or 2 if its pars ( Ace + Ace / Ace + Ace)

But that's not how we want the map to work. Rather, each player can have more than one hand, but only their best one gives them a bonus. And multiple players can have the same hand. For instance, you and I could both have a full house, and we both get the bonus for it. But if I have a pair of threes and a full house, I only get the full house bonus.

kk i just tought it would be more Poker realistic to have this way since its so many way to gain bonuses...

ZeakCytho wrote:Maybe "Each player only receives a bonus for their best hand"? I'm not sure you can cut it shorter than that while retaining its clarity.

A minor tweak:

"Players receive the bonus for their best hand"

or

"Players receive one bonus for their best hand"

And what about:
Your best hand is your bonus !

Androidz wrote:

ZeakCytho wrote:

Androidz wrote:The Best hand should Be:

The player which has the best par, house, or any other of the bonus setup get bonus. So Each catorgy only 1 player can have. or 2 if its pars ( Ace + Ace / Ace + Ace)

But that's not how we want the map to work. Rather, each player can have more than one hand, but only their best one gives them a bonus. And multiple players can have the same hand. For instance, you and I could both have a full house, and we both get the bonus for it. But if I have a pair of threes and a full house, I only get the full house bonus.

kk i just tought it would be more Poker realistic to have this way since its so many way to gain bonuses...

Not to mention that this is impossible with the current XML... and would have severe game play problems.

C.

pamoa wrote:And what about:
Your best hand is your bonus !

I think this is the best so far. -> Although I quite like the current wording!!

C.

yeti_c wrote:

pamoa wrote:And what about:
Your best hand is your bonus !

I think this is the best so far. -> Although I quite like the current wording!!

C.

You want me to switch "ONLY BEST HAND GIVES BONUS" to "YOUR BEST HAND IS YOUR BONUS!"

Is this the only visual change? I just want to make sure before I redo the image. I don't want to redo it twice for no good reason.

WM

WidowMakers wrote:

yeti_c wrote:

pamoa wrote:And what about:
Your best hand is your bonus !

I think this is the best so far. -> Although I quite like the current wording!!

C.

You want me to switch "ONLY BEST HAND GIVES BONUS" to "YOUR BEST HAND IS YOUR BONUS!"

Is this the only visual change? I just want to make sure before I redo the image. I don't want to redo it twice for no good reason.

WM

How about...

"Your Best hand pays your bonus" - To keep it on the poker/gambling theme?

C.

PS - I think that this is the only change!

yeti_c wrote:"Your best hand pays your bonus"

This one is good, it's the initial "your" which is important.

pamoa wrote:

yeti_c wrote:"Your best hand pays your bonus"

This one is good, it's the initial "your" which is important.

If you have room, I'd make it "Only your best hand pays your bonus," to emphasize that you only get one bonus.