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Posted: **Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:50 am**

ocean 5 looks more like it says ocean s

could you put an army circle or something for the boats? cause otherwise its very easy to mix up the boats and oceans

Posted: **Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:56 am**

I can't tell if Ocean 3 can attack Ocean 1 or not. I don't see the border either.

--lanyards

Posted: **Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:01 am**

Incandenza wrote:Okay...

The neutrals in the god/hero columns are all pretty wonky.

Wonky as in...?

You need to specify which fleet belongs to menelaus and which belongs to agamemnon.

Yeah I thought people would know a little greek myth, but I shouldn't suppose that.

When it comes to one god/hero attacking another, which terit is being attacked, the base of the column? The top? The base of the earth-type bits?

Movement is in and out of the upper most column as per the legend.

Also, do I need to hold the whole column to hold the god/hero?

Just the white part needs to be held.

One has to attack 21 armies over 7 terits to take zeus, seems a bit much, even for a +6.

Its not just for a +6, Zeus can attack any god. so he could theoretically run the whole thing just by attacking the god columns and by passing all of mount olympus.

Ocean 3 appears to have some sort of comma after the terit name.

thanks

That's the stuff that jumps out at me, aside from other spelling errors ("Prium" should be "Priam", "Achaean Barracks" has an M instead of an N

ok

Posted: **Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:12 pm**

i never really took a look at this before, but its quite interesting. it takes a little bit to get all the attack routes, but i'd love to play this, even if its just for the sake of the excellent graphics.

Posted: **Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:29 pm**

Wonky as in the neutrals on the white columns don't line up very well...

And I'm pretty familiar with the trojan war, and I have difficulty remember which of menelaus and agamemnon was the spartan.... maybe the terits themselves could be renamed to Menelaus' Fleet and Agamemnon's Fleet.

Posted: **Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:46 pm**

Incandenza wrote:Wonky as in the neutrals on the white columns don't line up very well...

And I'm pretty familiar with the trojan war, and I have difficulty remember which of menelaus and agamemnon was the spartan.... maybe the terits themselves could be renamed to Menelaus' Fleet and Agamemnon's Fleet.

yeah the digits were just placed in photoshop, no xml or anything. and I think I will rename the fleets to make it easier.

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:38 pm**

Ocean 6 has a really bright glow around its territory name text, while the other oceans don't have that bright a glow.

--lanyards

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:56 pm**

1. There is a continent named "Sigeion Ridge", and then there is a territory named "Sigieon Steps", "Sigieon" is spelled differently in both, so which one is the right way?

2. On Tenedos, I can't tell if the territory on the farthest left is "Sous Altar" or "Solis Altar". I think its "Solis Altar", but its hard to tell.

3. The legend says that to get the god/hero army bonus you have to hold one continent. Does that include ocean, fleet, and troy bonuses?

4. In the legend, you spelled "Prium's Palace" wrong. And also on the map, the territory "Prium's Pallace" should be "Prium's Palace".

5. Hades has a comma after his "+4" in the legend.

6. Don't the dirt territories under the columns and the column sections need territory names?

7. Could you make all the territory names a little brighter? Some of them are a little hard to read.

8. "Simosian Plain" I think should be worth a +2 and "Upper Rhoeteum" should be +1.

9. I know this is really picky, but all the god/hero title text do not line up with the columns perfectly. Hector and Ajax are just 2 of them.

10. Looks great.

--lanyards

Posted: **Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:14 am**

lanyards wrote:1. There is a continent named "Sigeion Ridge", and then there is a territory named "Sigieon Steps", "Sigieon" is spelled differently in both, so which one is the right way?
Ill fix that.
2. On Tenedos, I can't tell if the territory on the farthest left is "Sous Altar" or "Solis Altar". I think its "Solis Altar", but its hard to tell.
Its Solis, I'll make it clearer
3. The legend says that to get the god/hero army bonus you have to hold one continent. Does that include ocean, fleet, and troy bonuses?
Yes, although I might do away with this rule entirely, or just have it require a terrestrial territory, not continent.
4. In the legend, you spelled "Prium's Palace" wrong. And also on the map, the territory "Prium's Pallace" should be "Prium's Palace".
Will fix.
5. Hades has a comma after his "+4" in the legend.
Will fix.
6. Don't the dirt territories under the columns and the column sections need territory names?
They have names, "The alter of Zeus, the Barracks of Hector, its self-explanatory.
7. Could you make all the territory names a little brighter? Some of them are a little hard to read.
Will fix.
8. "Simosian Plain" I think should be worth a +2 and "Upper Rhoeteum" should be +1.
Simosian plain is only 4 territs. But Upper Rhoeteum should be worth +1. The bonuses are intentionally low to encourage heor/god worship.
9. I know this is really picky, but all the god/hero title text do not line up with the columns perfectly. Hector and Ajax are just 2 of them.
Will fix.
10. Looks great.
Zing!

--lanyards

Posted: **Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:29 am**

off topic question ; why you wearing andy's avatar ?!?!?

Posted: **Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:30 am**

hulmey wrote:off topic question ; why you wearing andy's avatar ?!?!?

He's not; Andy's faces the other way.

On topic...not much to say. This map looks amazing.

Posted: **Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:59 am**

mibi wrote:
lanyards wrote:3. The legend says that to get the god/hero army bonus you have to hold one continent. Does that include ocean, fleet, and troy bonuses?
Yes, although I might do away with this rule entirely, or just have it require a terrestrial territory, not continent.

Note - Either option can be done in the XML.

C.

Posted: **Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:37 am**

yeti_c wrote:
mibi wrote:
lanyards wrote:3. The legend says that to get the god/hero army bonus you have to hold one continent. Does that include ocean, fleet, and troy bonuses?
Yes, although I might do away with this rule entirely, or just have it require a terrestrial territory, not continent.

Note - Either option can be done in the XML.

C.

Am i correct in saying that the only thing that CANNOT be done is the conditional autodeploy?

Posted: **Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:59 pm**

yeti_c wrote:
mibi wrote:
lanyards wrote:3. The legend says that to get the god/hero army bonus you have to hold one continent. Does that include ocean, fleet, and troy bonuses?
Yes, although I might do away with this rule entirely, or just have it require a terrestrial territory, not continent.

Note - Either option can be done in the XML.

C.

Yeah, I was wondering if it could or not. How can you make it the one territory is mandatory to hold and then you have a required tag for the rest?

--lanyards

Posted: **Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:18 pm**

On Mt. Olympus, what are the territories under the columns called, and what are the sections of the columns called?

--lanyards

Posted: **Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:03 pm**

lanyards wrote:
yeti_c wrote:
mibi wrote:
lanyards wrote:3. The legend says that to get the god/hero army bonus you have to hold one continent. Does that include ocean, fleet, and troy bonuses?
Yes, although I might do away with this rule entirely, or just have it require a terrestrial territory, not continent.

Note - Either option can be done in the XML.

C.
Yeah, I was wondering if it could or not. How can you make it the one territory is mandatory to hold and then you have a required tag for the rest?

--lanyards

Examples.

a) Hold one continent to unlock God Bonus.

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<continent>
  <name>A</name>
  <bonus>4</bonus>
  <components>
    <territory>A1</territory>
    <territory>A2</territory>
    <territory>A3</territory>
    <territory>A4</territory>
  </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>B</name>
  <bonus>2</bonus>
  <components>
    <territory>B1</territory>
    <territory>B2</territory>
    <territory>B3</territory>
    <territory>B4</territory>
  </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>C</name>
  <bonus>3</bonus>
  <components>
    <territory>C1</territory>
    <territory>C2</territory>
    <territory>C3</territory>
    <territory>C4</territory>
  </components>
</continent>


<continent>
  <name>at least one cont</name>
  <bonus>0</bonus>
  <components>
    <continent>A</continent>
    <continent>B</continent>
    <continent>C</continent>
  </components>
  <required>1</required>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>God Bonus</name>
  <bonus>5</bonus>
  <components>
    <continent>at least one cont</continent>
    <territory>God Altar</territory>
    <territory>God Pillar 1</territory>
    <territory>God Pillar 2</territory>
    <territory>God Pillar 3</territory>
  </components>
</continent>

b) Hold one territory

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<continent>
  <name>at least one terr</name>
  <bonus>0</bonus>
  <components>
    <territory>A1</territory>
    <territory>A2</territory>
    <territory>A3</territory>
    <territory>A4</territory>
    <territory>B1</territory>
    <territory>B2</territory>
    <territory>B3</territory>
    <territory>B4</territory>
    <territory>C1</territory>
    <territory>C2</territory>
    <territory>C3</territory>
    <territory>C4</territory>
  </components>
  <required>1</required>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>God Bonus</name>
  <bonus>5</bonus>
  <components>
    <continent>at least one terr</continent>
    <territory>God Altar</territory>
    <territory>God Pillar 1</territory>
    <territory>God Pillar 2</territory>
    <territory>God Pillar 3</territory>
  </components>
</continent>

C.

Posted: **Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:08 pm**

Then everytime someone started their turn, it would say "You recieve 0 armies for holding atleast on territ/continent", right? but that would work.

--lanyards

Posted: **Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:14 pm**

lanyards wrote:Then everytime someone started their turn, it would say "You recieve 0 armies for holding atleast on territ/continent", right? but that would work.

--lanyards

In example A) you could override it with any of the continents so that it never appeared in the log.

In example B) you can override it in the god bonus - to minimise the effect.

C.

Posted: **Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:17 pm**

yeti_c wrote:
lanyards wrote:Then everytime someone started their turn, it would say "You recieve 0 armies for holding atleast on territ/continent", right? but that would work.

--lanyards

In example A) you could override it with any of the continents so that it never appeared in the log.

In example B) you can override it in the god bonus - to minimise the effect.

C.

Right, so if we don't want it to ever show up, then it will have to be hold atleast one continent.

Posted: **Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:18 pm**

lanyards wrote:
yeti_c wrote:
lanyards wrote:Then everytime someone started their turn, it would say "You recieve 0 armies for holding atleast on territ/continent", right? but that would work.

--lanyards

In example A) you could override it with any of the continents so that it never appeared in the log.

In example B) you can override it in the god bonus - to minimise the effect.

C.
Right, so if we don't want it to ever show up, then it will have to be hold atleast one continent.

Yeah.

C.

Posted: **Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:19 pm**

Changes:

1. Spartan and Aechean fleet renamed to Menelaus and Aganemnon fleet in legend and map.
2. Fixed various spelling things
3. The god columns are now 1 space instead of two. Originally it was 2 to reduce the changes that a player would start with a whole god, but since starting neutrals were invented and that is no longer an issue.
4. Added roman numerals to mt olympus and hero territs. They will be called Worship of Zeus V and Training of Hector III. The top of the god column will be called The Favor of Zeus, or The Power of Zeus, or something like that.
5. The oceans are starting neutrals.
6. Rule 4 has been changed to holding only one terrestrial alter for the bonus.
7 Various other graphic things.

[bigimg]http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3028/troy5digitsih0.jpg[/bigimg]

Posted: **Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:01 am**

Hepathus & Apollo bonuses won't work with current XML...

C.

Posted: **Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:09 am**

No, I like the rule that you must hold a terrestrial continent. I worry that there will be too little battle down on earth; and too little incentive to go for and hold a traditional continent. (this is from the perspective of one who doesn't play Escalating, so continents and bonuses actually matter

)

Posted: **Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:51 am**

Ditocoaf wrote:No, I like the rule that you must hold a terrestrial continent. I worry that there will be too little battle down on earth; and too little incentive to go for and hold a traditional continent. (this is from the perspective of one who doesn't play Escalating, so continents and bonuses actually matter )

Well its tought to balance for sure. I want there to be play in both realms. By keeping the earthly bonuses low, hopefully it will force people to the other side. I am worried there will be too little play up top. There willl always be play on earth since thats where everyone is. And you won't be slogging through large amounts of neutrals just deploying 3 at a time. There are plenty of continents that are only 4 or so territs so they are in reach from the initial deployment.

I might actually reduce some of the 2's to 1's. Though its a tough call.

If anyone else wanted to weigh in the on the up/down balance that would be great.

Posted: **Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:24 pm**

On the Heroes side, your roman numerals go 1, 2, 3, 6, 5. IV instead of VI.

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