Zombie Mafia - Day Four - Zombies win, Ga7 survives

[F1fth]

How do we even know he's the watcher? He basically claimed that, nobody counterclaimed, and gave no information on the next day? For all we know, he could be scum and investigated Serbia his scumbuddy to cover his tracks. In fact, I think it's more convincing to me than this f1fth stuff.

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vote colton

The fact that no one said a thing actually makes him more likely to be town in my mind. If someone had investigated him and got a scum result, they probably would have said something. But I doubt somebody would blow their cover early game and become a scum target by claiming cop to verify one townie.

[spoiler=metagaming]And we've already seen a tracker this game, so it would also make sense that there's a watcher too... in fact, it may be that they're our only investigative roles. If we don't have any cop to check him out, it would be because we have only a watcher and a tracker. Thinking about it like that, that he's not been counterclaimed actually becomes important. If he's lying though, then it means we still probably have one investigative role in a game as big as this.[/spoiler]

So logic dictates that we should wait another night for a cop to to investigate him if for whatever reason he couldn't do it the previous night, else enjoy the benefits of having a claimed investigative role (and certainly do NOT lynch him).

[ga7]

Argh, something has been bugging me rereading again. Watcher is not something scum can fake easily, with the notable exception of being a mafia watcher. There's no way to fake a visiting result except being randomly lucky. But, if there's a mafia watcher, in a NV game, it would be very likely that a watcher is present in the town also... I'd say it's even more likely when there's already a tracker dead, these roles being so often used together. Which makes me think Colton not being counterclaimed proves in itself that he's not faking. But... Just to make sure: is anyone else a watcher? (obviously if Safari says he is, there's no believing him )

ffffastpost: bah, now I'm just rehashing, lol

[safariguy5]

Ok, as much as I'd like to keep on my F1fth case, I'm gonna bargain as it's only Day 2 because this Safari squirming is looking like a whole other level of scumminess. I hope it proves me wrong

Unvote Vote Safari

Who said I'm squirming? I've said that I think colton is scum. If anything, I'm consistent in my accusation.

How do we even know he's the watcher? He basically claimed that, nobody counterclaimed, and gave no information on the next day? For all we know, he could be scum and investigated Serbia his scumbuddy to cover his tracks. In fact, I think it's more convincing to me than this f1fth stuff.

unvote
vote colton

The fact that no one said a thing actually makes him more likely to be town in my mind. If someone had investigated him and got a scum result, they probably would have said something. But I doubt somebody would blow their cover early game and become a scum target by claiming cop to verify one townie.

[spoiler=metagaming]And we've already seen a tracker this game, so it would also make sense that there's a watcher too... in fact, it may be that they're our only investigative roles. If we don't have any cop to check him out, it would be because we have only a watcher and a tracker. Thinking about it like that, that he's not been counterclaimed actually becomes important. If he's lying though, then it means we still probably have one investigative role in a game as big as this.[/spoiler]

So logic dictates that we should wait another night for a cop to to investigate him if for whatever reason he couldn't do it the previous night, else enjoy the benefits of having a claimed investigative role (and certainly do NOT lynch him).

In terms of metagaming, colton has always been an active poster in the other games he's played. The fact that he is really being quiet in this game tells me that he's trying really hard to drop a scumtell. His defense of "not saying something stupid" basically tells me that he is trying especially hard not to give away tells. It's just out of character for him to not post more, and I'm suspicious of that.

Granted, he could be a town investigative role and trying to not get figured out by the scum, but I really thought that investigation of serbia was very odd. Call me scummy, but that investigation with claim and overall quietness of colton makes me very suspicious of his claim and role. I strongly suggest he investigate a more suspicious person this time around (me included).

[ga7]

Point is, you basically want to lynch him on the off chance he's scum and if he's not, brush it off as "oh well no big loss he wouldn't have use it well". That sounds incredibly scummy. We weren't even lynching NES in the old days when he was fakeclaiming doc. Well, until the real doc showed up at least.
I think it'd be a bit harsh on town to not have a cop also in a cultish context, but with our tracker dead already the watcher is a freakingly important role.
Now the problem will be to manage to make sure you're scum and get you lynched under 20 hours.

[colton24]

Safari I want to punch you in the face right now. You want to kill of the watcher just because I watched somebody that you didn't want me to watch. All I get are the people who visited the person I watched and that is it.

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vote safari

Mod: Why do we have to use blue?

[Koesen]

You have to vote blue because that makes it easier for me to track the votes.

[gimpyThewonder]

I'm tempted to vote safari for all this vote hopping but w/out more evidence I don't know if I will. its looking more like a speed lynch in progress, but if anyone else has some fuel to add to the fire i'll roast my marshmellow on it

[Talapus]

How do we even know he's the watcher? He basically claimed that, nobody counterclaimed, and gave no information on the next day? For all we know, he could be scum and investigated Serbia his scumbuddy to cover his tracks. In fact, I think it's more convincing to me than this f1fth stuff.

This statement floors me, and I mean really floors me. The only time I could see this working was if the scum was desperate enough to have no other choice but to agree with the investigation. I say this because colton was still a prime suspect as of last night. Serbia couldn't have been sure that colton was going to live through day two or that he didn't get investigated last night. If colton had been turned up scum/dead scum, then everyone and their grandma in this game would have taken Serbia out to a nice dark ally and ended his lies. I just don't see a long time vet of this game agreeing with a newer player, who not only was questioned, but claimed day one as well. It's a huge/pointless risk to make at the start of a game when town obviously still outnumber scum. So ya safari, that's got to be one of the weakest arguments I've heard in awhile. Granted. if there are 5 players left in the game and everyone is suspicious, then I could see that move working. But not so early, that's just a huge risk to both players. Sorry, that little "theory" just convinced me not to trust you.

Unvote(If needed) Vote: safari

[Koesen]

Vote Count

Mountainlion: 3 (Serbia, ???, Mandalorian)
Iliad: 1 (Mountainlion)
Safariguy: 5 (Pancakemix, F1fth, Ga7, Colton, Talapus)
Colton: 1 (Safariguy)

14 alive, 8 to lynch. Deadline Friday February 12, 10 AM EST / 3 PM GMT.
15 1/2 hours and counting.

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Vote safari,
I suggest you claim very fast if you don't want us thinking less of you. We've already offed our own vig for colton, for goodness' sake man!
Also there seems to a secret voter around, so perhaps we should treat the current situation as lynch-1 just in case?

[safariguy5]

Well Ok, I am a Paranoid CCTV person.
Each night, my camera will record anyone who visits me. The next night, I get to review the tape. If I die, the town gets to see who visited me. Therefore, I suggest you all keep me alive. If I were to die tonight, you'll get the information on who it was who killed me. Also, anyone who visited me night 1 would also be revealed.

[ga7]

OMG it makes perfect sense! It's like diary of the dead! Unvote




... Ok, not really. Diary of the dead is prolly the worst zombie movie btw.
Vote Safari again

ps: if the majority of you guys have as circumvoluted and overpowered roles as this fakeclaim, I might reconsider. I seriously doubt so though

[Koesen]

Vote Count

Mountainlion: 3 (Serbia, ???, Mandalorian)
Iliad: 1 (Mountainlion)
Safariguy: 6 (Pancakemix, F1fth, Colton, Talapus, /, Ga7)
Colton: 1 (Safariguy)

14 alive, 8 to lynch. Deadline Friday February 12, 10 AM EST / 3 PM GMT.
14 hours and counting.

[safariguy5]

OMG it makes perfect sense! It's like diary of the dead! Unvote




... Ok, not really. Diary of the dead is prolly the worst zombie movie btw.
Vote Safari again

ps: if the majority of you guys have as circumvoluted and overpowered roles as this fakeclaim, I might reconsider. I seriously doubt so though

Ok, everyone remember this post. ga7, are you ready to be lynched the next day when I turn up exactly as I claimed? I'm telling you, that's what I am. I call a referendum on this. If I die and turn up EXACTLY what I claim, I call everyone to lynch ga7 for this.

[safariguy5]

I might add, that I am fully aware that I am playing with a bunch of veterans. You really think that if I were to fake claim, I would claim such a convoluted role?

[pancakemix]

OMG it makes perfect sense! It's like diary of the dead! Unvote

... Ok, not really. Diary of the dead is prolly the worst zombie movie btw.
Vote Safari again

ps: if the majority of you guys have as circumvoluted and overpowered roles as this fakeclaim, I might reconsider. I seriously doubt so though

Ok, everyone remember this post. ga7, are you ready to be lynched the next day when I turn up exactly as I claimed? I'm telling you, that's what I am. I call a referendum on this. If I die and turn up EXACTLY what I claim, I call everyone to lynch ga7 for this.

Well, there are a couple of problems with that.

1. I'll admit, it sounds plausible, considering the number of cheesy POV horror movies these days (Quarantine, etc.) but it's almost too plausible and even OP. Knowing who killed you is a 1:1 trade, which as Aimless would say (going waaaay back here) "is always a good trade". So if you're telling the truth, we should let you die tonight. Or you'll end up just sitting around the whole game doing nothing. Either way, I'm pretty sure you're scum now based on your actions, so that doesn't matter. Throw in the fact that you're a PARANOID CCTV person, and that's just icing on the cake.

2. We're not gonna carry out your little revenge scheme, mainly because as I just pointed out, he has good reason to doubt you. He's also got probably the best reputation as a scum, making a move like that out of character for him and just plain stupid. That, or stupid like a fox, but probably not.

I might add, that I am fully aware that I am playing with a bunch of veterans. You really think that if I were to fake claim, I would claim such a convoluted role?

Yes. Last Koesen game I played, I got a fake claim. I wouldn't be surprised if they cropped up here.

[safariguy5]

OMG it makes perfect sense! It's like diary of the dead! Unvote

... Ok, not really. Diary of the dead is prolly the worst zombie movie btw.
Vote Safari again

ps: if the majority of you guys have as circumvoluted and overpowered roles as this fakeclaim, I might reconsider. I seriously doubt so though

Ok, everyone remember this post. ga7, are you ready to be lynched the next day when I turn up exactly as I claimed? I'm telling you, that's what I am. I call a referendum on this. If I die and turn up EXACTLY what I claim, I call everyone to lynch ga7 for this.

Well, there are a couple of problems with that.

1. I'll admit, it sounds plausible, considering the number of cheesy POV horror movies these days (Quarantine, etc.) but it's almost too plausible and even OP. Knowing who killed you is a 1:1 trade, which as Aimless would say (going waaaay back here) "is always a good trade". So if you're telling the truth, we should let you die tonight. Or you'll end up just sitting around the whole game doing nothing. Either way, I'm pretty sure you're scum now based on your actions, so that doesn't matter. Throw in the fact that you're a PARANOID CCTV person, and that's just icing on the cake.

2. We're not gonna carry out your little revenge scheme, mainly because as I just pointed out, he has good reason to doubt you. He's also got probably the best reputation as a scum, making a move like that out of character for him and just plain stupid. That, or stupid like a fox, but probably not.

I might add, that I am fully aware that I am playing with a bunch of veterans. You really think that if I were to fake claim, I would claim such a convoluted role?

Yes. Last Koesen game I played, I got a fake claim. I wouldn't be surprised if they cropped up here.

Untrue. Since my camera records who visits me, should I be night killed, the town would see who it was who killed me (since they visited me). Also, the more nights I stay alive, the more likely it is that whoever the zombie recruiter is will recruit me. Then, when the day vig kills me, you'll get to see that too. Bottom line, I'm more useful the longer I stay alive.

[safariguy5]

I forgot to add that should the day vig kill me somewhere down the line, we will know him to be probably 3rd party and not town aligned.

[colton24]

BS.

1. How do you know you are parinoid? Since when do people with sanities know that they have a sanity?

2. That role is WAY too convienent. If inactivity keeps it up we will of lost a scum lynch.

3. You want to vot e claimed power role.

Lynch this scum now!

[safariguy5]

Since metagaming is such a big deal, why don't you all metagame me? You know how I play, aggressive and active. Excuse me for trying to find leads. I find it funny that the bandwagon isn't even near L-1 on f1fth and everyone jumps on me for being a bandwagoner blah blah blah. What exactly was I supposed to add to the discussion there. I was simply stating what my suspicions are. Just because someone claims a certain role doesn't mean they are. I still believe that that Serbia investigation was not the best target. Could be colton being colton, could have been something else.

BS.

1. How do you know you are parinoid? Since when do people with sanities know that they have a sanity?

2. That role is WAY too convienent. If inactivity keeps it up we will of lost a scum lynch.

3. You want to vot e claimed power role.

Lynch this scum now!

In regards to 1. The paranoid is a flavor text. You'd have to be pretty paranoid to set up surveillance cameras to look at your own house no?

2. Yeah, you think??!!! Maybe if I had claimed jailkeeper we might have all been happy. But I claim what I am. I'm not gonna lie about my claim and be lynched later on for lying about a claim and wasting the town a lynch.

3. RIght, keyword, claimed When you produce a zombie or the recruiter, then we'll know you're for sure.

[safariguy5]

Just in case I do die, I remind everyone to look at the voting patterns on who's been bandwagoning me. Could give nice clues about who's scum. Although I really believe my role gets more powerful as the game goes on...

[pancakemix]

Untrue. Since my camera records who visits me, should I be night killed, the town would see who it was who killed me (since they visited me). Also, the more nights I stay alive, the more likely it is that whoever the zombie recruiter is will recruit me. Then, when the day vig kills me, you'll get to see that too. Bottom line, I'm more useful the longer I stay alive.

First off, I'm saying we should let you die, so we can see who killed you. But scum won't go for that, they'll just let you sit there while no one visits you because anyone who visits you now knows they'll get seen, and that defeats the point of anyone visiting you at all.

Secondly, would you mind sharing who, if anyone, visited you night 1 (something you should have done in the first place, which is part of why I don't believe you.)

Since metagaming is such a big deal, why don't you all metagame me? You know how I play, aggressive and active. Excuse me for trying to find leads. I find it funny that the bandwagon isn't even near L-1 on f1fth and everyone jumps on me for being a bandwagoner blah blah blah. What exactly was I supposed to add to the discussion there. I was simply stating what my suspicions are. Just because someone claims a certain role doesn't mean they are. I still believe that that Serbia investigation was not the best target. Could be colton being colton, could have been something else.

No, you put a vote behind an admitted half-assed attempt at an argument with a half-assed justification, then rebutted a reply with a half-assed response. That's not "finding leads".

Again, no. I noticed all this half-assedness and pointed it out. People noticed. They weren't half-assed about it. In fact, nobody said bandwagon until you brought it up. Misconception or Freudian slip?

My rule is that if you can't add, don't talk, or bad stuff will happen to you. Take this, for example

You didn't even say anything. Here's your post, containing all things that constitute anything resembling an argument:

Goddamn ga7, that is pretty comprehensive.

For now, I will agree that the zombie is a greater threat because of possible recruiting ability.

vote f1fth

There's not much there, and what is pretty apparent.

You're absolutely right. Why, then, should I believe you?

Probably not, but I think considering that the who colton thing stemmed from a Serbia post, it's somewhat justifiable.

I am waiting for some others to chime in on this. We're at approx. 9 hrs. to deadline and a few people were notably silent on this. Mandy? LSU? ML?

[safariguy5]

There's a delay on the camera, I review Night 1's tape tonight.

[ga7]

2 things:

Just in case I do die, I remind everyone to look at the voting patterns on who's been bandwagoning me. Could give nice clues about who's scum. Although I really believe my role gets more powerful as the game goes on...

Famous "Shit I need to buy time" tactics. Your claim is already overpowred, duh. Now you're trying to lure us into thinking it's even more so. BS.

I didn't know Koesie was providing fakeclaims previously, which is the only thing that was bugging me as it did sounds like one of his crazy fakeclaims, albeit more OPd. As a real role, as PCM pointed out, it doesn't make much sense balance wise. It's one thing to reveal your killer upon death, it's another to be able to view it yourself the next night. Now I'm convinced, and I hope we can find the 2 other voters that will be ><

[Serbia]

Alright. Does seem a plausible claim, in the fact that it's at least well thought out. But the part that concerns me is that the claim is expanding in later posts.

I forgot to add that should the day vig kill me somewhere down the line, we will know him to be probably 3rd party and not town aligned.

Just in case I do die, I remind everyone to look at the voting patterns on who's been bandwagoning me. Could give nice clues about who's scum. Although I really believe my role gets more powerful as the game goes on...

3. You want to vot e claimed power role.

3. RIght, keyword, claimed When you produce a zombie or the recruiter, then we'll know you're for sure.

This is circular. You want to be saved on the strength of your claim, yet you still believe colton is a good lynch.

Bottom line - you act scummy, you say scummy things, you claim, then 'remember' more later.... sorry dude, I'm not sold on you or your claim.

Unvote VOTE: safariguy5