[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[PLAYER57832]

Also, being confirmed town does not necessarily mean confirmed good choices.

[the white rose]

quite right player, however, the only way to lynch scum now is for all of town to vote the same way, a split town vote will lead either to a mislynch or a no lynch.

the only way for all of town to vote the same way is to select one confirmed townie and for everyone to follow his/her vote, sure we may still mislynch, but at least we have a good chance of getting scum, a split vote gives us zero chance, just want everyone to be clear on that.

therefore when the new day starts, no townie should vote until the elected 'town spokesman' has voted, then everyone vote the same way, any independant townie vote that is on another townie gives mafia a great chance of lynching a townie.

[degaston]

me: yeah i know sweetheart but first must log on to conquer club to give my reads to my mate deg, you know in case he lynches the wrong one.

I wasn't saying that you had to leave your sexy ladyboy to go play cc. Just don't be a dick about it when you do decide to come back.

So, which confirmed townie do you think we should follow?

[degaston]

me: yeah i know sweetheart but first must log on to conquer club to give my reads to my mate deg, you know in case he lynches the wrong one.

I wasn't saying that you had to leave your sexy ladyboy to go play cc. Just don't be a dick about it when you do decide to come back.

So, which confirmed townie do you think we should follow?

[the white rose]

ah no wonder why you have more posts than me, its easy when you double post!

who would i choose?

probably me, but i do not mind following whatever aladdin or ib have to say.

there seems to be doubts about ib but remember he was cleared by not having blood on his hands....or rather he did, but the invention was from our insane inventor, so that would probably then mean he was clean.

[AladdinSane]

with all due respect deg, I am actually on holiday in thailand. you will observe i stopped playing risk (can we call it that) some weeks ago so i could enjoy my holiday.

In amongst having fun on the beaches and in the girlie bars, i take time to come on and play, would you?

LOL I'm not buying it, TWR. I was in Bangcock for two months sinse dis game began, and sinse den Hong Kong and Manila - none of witch are exackly short of girlie bars. Teh trick is to do yer CC moves and game posts during your recuperashun periods LOL.

"Hello hansum man. What name you?"

"Aladdin. Wot's yores?"

"Name me Noy. Where you from?"

"I'm frum teh gratest nashun on Erth. Wear are you frum?"

"<giggle> I from Thailand".

"<sigh> Yes, but wear in Thailand?"

"I from Issan."

"Issan? Really? Dat's a supprise. Wear in Issan? Khorat? Udon? Kon Kaen?"

"I from Ubon Ratchathani. We go your room now, tee rahk? You pay bar fine for me, okay?"

"Well, okay, but I'm gonna have to play my CC moves wen we get their. And post in my Mafia game of course."

"Oh my Buddha! You Mafia?"

"<sigh> No, I'm Town"

"What is 'Town?'"

"I'll eggsplain wen we get to teh room."



As predickted, my wifi has colapsed ahed of teh Easter brake. I'm doing dis frum an internet cafe. Hope to have my regular conexshun back tomorow...

[PLAYER57832]

quite right player, however, the only way to lynch scum now is for all of town to vote the same way, a split town vote will lead either to a mislynch or a no lynch.

the only way for all of town to vote the same way is to select one confirmed townie and for everyone to follow his/her vote, sure we may still mislynch, but at least we have a good chance of getting scum, a split vote gives us zero chance, just want everyone to be clear on that.

therefore when the new day starts, no townie should vote until the elected 'town spokesman' has voted, then everyone vote the same way, any independant townie vote that is on another townie gives mafia a great chance of lynching a townie.

I am not in favor of just going along with one townie, though I absolutely agree that the votes must be all together. I think there needs to be debate, because part of the problem here is that there are a couple of people who have consistently pushed for their vote, their ideas ONLY and targeted anyone who even disagrees as "scum", even if its just discussion.

I think we need analysis, then to go forward. I realize that is what we have tried to do before, but I think that a few have been too quick to rush to "confirmed town" status as well.

That said, it depends on who dies tonight as well. No doubt it will be a townie, and the game may well be lost already.

[PLAYER57832]

A summary, but correct me if I have some of this wrong:

"evidence" for town:

IB -- initiated Hot Shot lynch, has voted every successful lynch

IWR -- blood found in investigation, reversed means innocent
(question, are we sure that LSU result can be exactly reversed? If psycho, maybe its just screwy results)

Also in on most (maybe all?) successful lynches

Mitch -- most likely a jester, to be ignored. Lately stated that must be lynched on an even day to win.

/, DJ, mostly seems based on lack of post responses ? did not join in on all votes

Me... one type, made when I was tired and should not have posted, did not join in on votes

Alladdin -- misspells (lately decided this is not alignment indicative), Seems to vote with crowd more or less in end, but voice independent thinking. Attacked when voices independent thinking

Mets -- remained fairly non-commital, though lately has posted. Can do investigations, has given results that appear to have helped town

I am not sure about rest Also, just realized I started this late, have to go to work now.

I think it would be useful to go back over all the lynche.... yes, again. If I am still alive, I can do it later.

[the white rose]

with all due respect deg, I am actually on holiday in thailand. you will observe i stopped playing risk (can we call it that) some weeks ago so i could enjoy my holiday.

In amongst having fun on the beaches and in the girlie bars, i take time to come on and play, would you?

LOL I'm not buying it, TWR. I was in Bangcock for two months sinse dis game began, and sinse den Hong Kong and Manila - none of witch are exackly short of girlie bars. Teh trick is to do yer CC moves and game posts during your recuperashun periods LOL.

"Hello hansum man. What name you?"

"Aladdin. Wot's yores?"

"Name me Noy. Where you from?"

"I'm frum teh gratest nashun on Erth. Wear are you frum?"

"<giggle> I from Thailand".

"<sigh> Yes, but wear in Thailand?"

"I from Issan."

"Issan? Really? Dat's a supprise. Wear in Issan? Khorat? Udon? Kon Kaen?"

"I from Ubon Ratchathani. We go your room now, tee rahk? You pay bar fine for me, okay?"

"Well, okay, but I'm gonna have to play my CC moves wen we get their. And post in my Mafia game of course."

"Oh my Buddha! You Mafia?"

"<sigh> No, I'm Town"

"What is 'Town?'"

"I'll eggsplain wen we get to teh room."



As predickted, my wifi has colapsed ahed of teh Easter brake. I'm doing dis frum an internet cafe. Hope to have my regular conexshun back tomorow...

Aladdin thats brilliant!

I am not in fact in bangkok, i am in deepest darkest issan surrounded by paddy fields, with my wife and son, a place called sisaket, 40 miles from ubon ratchathani and about the same distance south to the cambodian border. this is her town and we make this pilgrimage every 2 years.

next week however, i will be back in civilisation as we get the night train to hua hin.

[the white rose]

A summary, but correct me if I have some of this wrong:

"evidence" for town:

IB -- initiated Hot Shot lynch, has voted every successful lynch

IWR -- blood found in investigation, reversed means innocent
(question, are we sure that LSU result can be exactly reversed? If psycho, maybe its just screwy results)

Also in on most (maybe all?) successful lynches

Player, I am confused, who is this IWR you speak of? is this another freudian slip, do you mean me?

if so let me correct you, the blood on hands incident was IB, not me.

The only successful lynches i have been on were hotshot, sausage and rish, all of whom proved antitown. I was not on the falco, wing commander or DJ lynches all of whom proved town.....add to that a cop investigation that cleared me is why everyone except you it seems accepts that i am the most confirmed town you are ever gonna get.

[PLAYER57832]

From not posting enough to perhaps posting too much.... I am interested in how other people see those of us remaining. I think seeing the opinions might be illuminating (then again, maybe it will just confirm our held suspicions).

In honesty, despite all the talk of "evidence", I really don't see anything other than speculation, with the exception of the results of LSU's investigations. And, that line seemed to get dropped pretty quickly.... basically as soon as it seemed apparent we actually could get a lynch in. (unless I am mis-remembering? -- possible, its late). The rest is just a bunch of groundless accusations and attempts to claim things that are not real.

As I said before, I find it suspicious that just not voting with the crowd is "evidence" of being scum when so many we have lynched were townies. Also, while I am definitely not saying everyone in on those is scum, I do think the leaders of those lynches can be questioned. And yes.. I fully acknowledged that my advocating to lynch Wing was a mistake, one based on what I thought was a leap to attack me early on. That said, I think my saying "yes, I goofed and admit it" is not the same as saying "no.. we lynched townies, but it was not really a mistake, just part of the game". Just think about who has been saying what when making judgements.... and when.

Anyway, I have a busy weekend getting ready for Easter visitors and the like. I may try to pop in, or I may just let it go until late Sunday or even Monday.

[the white rose]

quite right player, however, the only way to lynch scum now is for all of town to vote the same way, a split town vote will lead either to a mislynch or a no lynch.

the only way for all of town to vote the same way is to select one confirmed townie and for everyone to follow his/her vote, sure we may still mislynch, but at least we have a good chance of getting scum, a split vote gives us zero chance, just want everyone to be clear on that.

therefore when the new day starts, no townie should vote until the elected 'town spokesman' has voted, then everyone vote the same way, any independant townie vote that is on another townie gives mafia a great chance of lynching a townie.

I am not in favor of just going along with one townie, though I absolutely agree that the votes must be all together. I think there needs to be debate, because part of the problem here is that there are a couple of people who have consistently pushed for their vote, their ideas ONLY and targeted anyone who even disagrees as "scum", even if its just discussion.

I think we need analysis, then to go forward. I realize that is what we have tried to do before, but I think that a few have been too quick to rush to "confirmed town" status as well.

That said, it depends on who dies tonight as well. No doubt it will be a townie, and the game may well be lost already.

this post really concerns me.

of course we will have our usual debate, but after that all of town should vote the same way. who decides which way that vote goes? has to be the most confirmed town....ie me. Yes i may get it wrong, but if just one, thats right, just one townie decides not to agree with me then we will be unable to lynch scum, its as simple as that.

the reason we have failed so far is cos the town vote is all over the place, this now has to stop and we have to vote as one voice, anyone who disagrees with that cannot possibly have the best interests of town.

[PLAYER57832]

A summary, but correct me if I have some of this wrong:

"evidence" for town:

IB -- initiated Hot Shot lynch, has voted every successful lynch

IWR -- blood found in investigation, reversed means innocent
(question, are we sure that LSU result can be exactly reversed? If psycho, maybe its just screwy results)

Also in on most (maybe all?) successful lynches

Player, I am confused, who is this IWR you speak of? is this another freudian slip, do you mean me?

Not sure how that would be a freudian slip, but yes, I did mean you.

if so let me correct you, the blood on hands incident was IB, not me.

OK, thank you for clarifying..good information that I had mixed up.

The only successful lynches i have been on were hotshot, sausage and rish, all of whom proved antitown. I was not on the falco, wing commander or DJ lynches all of whom proved town.....add to that a cop investigation that cleared me is why everyone except you it seems accepts that i am the most confirmed town you are ever gonna get.

No, I had the investigations on you confused with IB, apparently. That was why I was confused. Thank you for clarifying that part. I am questioning whether we can truly be sure that IB did not have blood on his hands. I know this was gone over before, but it seemed rather quick.. or else I missed pieces of it.

Based on what you are now saying, I probably will go with your judgement. That said, is there a way to keep you from being killed tonight? Are we laying out a hand too clearly for the scum?

[PLAYER57832]

of course we will have our usual debate, but after that all of town should vote the same way. who decides which way that vote goes? has to be the most confirmed town....ie me. Yes i may get it wrong, but if just one, thats right, just one townie decides not to agree with me then we will be unable to lynch scum, its as simple as that.

Our posts are apparently crossing.
I am OK going with you. I am not OK going with IB. Like I said before, I had part of the investigation mixed up. Just getting off work and probably should know better than to post much at night, but its when I have the most time now (RL time, that is.. kids are in bed, etc.)
so, If I survive, if you survive, I will go with you. If you die... then I guess we are up a creek.

[PLAYER57832]

and, of course, if I am killed, then I cannot vote... lol.

[PLAYER57832]

That said, are we allowed to line up a vote during the night? ... just in case? If so, who would you target? Or is that a bad move, to declare now?

[the white rose]

I think it is, but by now scum should have already put in their night kill.

I have my thoughts which i will share as soon as day breaks

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Town, completely dazed from exhaustion by this point, gather in the central square at dawn. Yet again neighbourhood watch let them down, and one of their number was cruelly taken from them. Balloon towers encircled a house, with the inside appearing to resemble a ball point it was that packed with balloons. Not to be a party pooper, but:

Degaston, vanilla townie, is dead.

10 alive, 6 to lynch. Deadline - 05/04/16

[the white rose]

well, well, well.

I think the firdt thing we all need to do today is to clearly claim our roles, unless that is you consider it to be an advantage for scum to know your role.

First my role....and i hope you understand why i did not claim earlier when storr and wing were putting me under so much pressure to claim.

I am actually the town ghost. I used to be the town's mayor, however, last year i died of natural causes. I was laid to rest, but then soon afterwards mafia started infiltrating my beloved town and my soul could not rest, so i rose from the grave in order to rid my town of this scum.

So why not claim earlier you might ask, well, because in effect i am already dead, i cannot be killed, either by mafia at night time, a sk or vigilante, or even be lynched by my fellow townies.

by keeping quiet, it allowed town a murder free night on night 3 when i do believe i was targetted. Alas, since then mafia have left me alone, no doubt suspecting i was bulletproof. Last night I was hoping they might have taken another shot at me as i would have thought being a confirmed townie i would have been a better kill than poor old deg.

Of course had i have claimed earlier i would not have been targetted and another poor old townie would have died.....I did consider false claiming a protective role such as doc or bodyguard, but felt that i would have wasted time by misleading town and maybe you guys would have tried to lynch me resulting of course in a nolynch day.

but wait, i hear you ask, if you are town and unkillable then surely town are bound to win? not so simple i am afraid, mafia do not need to kill me in order to win, they just need to kill all living townies. So my job is to keep at least one townie alive to win. If you all die i will be forced to wander for ever as my soul could never find peace.

And so, to my thoughts so far.

it was always at the back of my mind that deg and benga could have played us for fools and were a mafia pair. that is no longer thecase of course and so totally clears benga.

benga was given a cop check invention by our sane inventor and used that to clear risky. therefore with benga cleared now, so too is risky....unless he was bus driven of course.

next we come to alladin, seems amongst his travelling, he has put an awful lot of effort into analysing the game and has been very useful to town, if he turns out scum, i would take my hat off to him and say bloody well played, another townie for me.

IB it seems will come under a lot of scrutiny today. the 2 overiding issues i have with him is he gave us our first antitown lynch and deliberately left the lynch to prove he was not a lyncher, the second is the blood test carried out by benga, this confirmed that indeed ib was a killer as he was seen to have blood on his hands.....but wait, where did benga get this invention from? thats right, LSU, our insane inventor, being insane none of his inventions work the way they should as so for me that clears IB.

so town for me are

TWR (of course)
benga
risky
aladdin
ib

mitch is clearly a 3p

that leaves us with 4 others. at least 2 are scum and 1 will be town, the 4th could be anything.

Mets - claims bullet bill, a minor PR, but a PR nonetheless, would he not have been a better nk for scum?
Player - who admitted to being scum, or was it red herring?
slash and catcher, not too much on these 2 will have to read through their posts to make a decision on them.

Now, anybody else care to agree or disagree with my analysis?

[Iron Butterfly]

I would vote Mets. There is no way in Hell mafia should not kill him over a Vt especially as his chance to find scum grows the smaller the pool to check from.

I think / was correct abou. Mets after all.

[PLAYER57832]

I am vanilla townie. As I have said many times typing "vanilla scum" was a mistyping error, not a "Freudian slip" error and yes, since I am new to mafia its not as though I have all these roles down. Also... well, mets at least can probably verify that I am known to mistype on occasion in the forums. (unless he has no desire to deflect interest from me...) Anyway, I will go with others votes as I said before. I am still not sure we can trust that LSU's invention is an exact reverse or always a reverse, but its too late to have split votes. Also, I do think IB has just acted scummy, in attacking too many people with pretty flimsy "evidence", but then, maybe that is just how the game is played. (that is, played for town, not just scum).

At any rate, Easter is coming. I did manage to stop by today and am glad I did, but will not be checking back until late tomorrow or Monday. Easter and family take precedence until then.

By-the-way, while I have decided that I am not good at mafia, I am glad to have played and even glad it was a crazy game (though perhaps a shorter one...). Its possible I will revisit the game, since I now at least know what is going on better. It might actually be nice to try being scum.. though something tells me I would have a hard time deflecting.

[PLAYER57832]

Anyway, deadline is a ways off, so again, I will vote with group, but not for a couple of days -- after the holidays, not before Sunday evening, more likely Monday and possibly even Tuesday if I get busy with the kids.

[AladdinSane]

Some qwik pre-Easter thorts:

1. My roll, as awreddy stated, is Town Cop Enabler. Wit no cops still alive, I'm not curently enabling enywun, and am efecktively VT.

2. Deg's deth tells us dat eggsackly wun of the alinement-definer tree was Mafia (i.e. Rish). Sinse we know its inventer was Town, dis to me cleers Benga.

3. As TWR points out, Benga been cleered orso cleers RB, unless Benga's chek on him was busdriven.

4. TWR - as he points out, teh only ting standing in teh way of him been considerd 100% Town is teh posibility of busdriving wen Marashu did his chek. Given TWR's voting record, I cnsider him Town.

5. If their IS a Mafia busdriver at werk, we're prob screwed, sinse it will continue to be moor rashunal to linch playas who are less "confermed" then RB and TWR until it is too late.

6. Mets: IB and TWR have pointed out, it is suspishus dat Mets was not NKed last nite. Mets' roll started week but, as IB points out, it gets stronger evry time teh pool shrinks. So it def must be becoming a consern for Mafia if Mets is Town. If Mets IS Town, teh only reeson I can tink of dat Mafia went after Deg insted last nite is dat dey were conserned at teh voting blok of confermed and "ormost confermed" playas dat formed when Rish got linched - i.e. TWR, Ragian, Benga, RB, Deg - increesing from wun (TWR) to five litrally overnite. So dey mite have desided to chip away at dat voting blok a bit. But if Mets dozent get targeted tonite, it will def look suspishus.

7. IB - I'll cover IB in a seperate post wen I have moor time.

8. Player - / - CM: I still suspeckt scum in dis group. The prob is, theirs not a lot of evidense for or aginst them, so it comes down to their posts and their voting paterns. But dat was teh case wit DJP too, so I'm not shore how to proseed. Maybe TWR's sugestjun of choozing a playa to folow is teh way to go, I dunno. If so, I gess TWR is teh man fer teh job.

9. TWR as Town Ghost: Did wurries me a littul, not becorse I disbeleeve teh claim but becorse I thort maybe TWR mite be siting on sum parting invenchuns from LSU TJ and Ragian and - dis will depend on how Wing implements teh meckaniks - cood a ghost ackshually do sumtink like, say, shoot a gun - you know, been incorporeel and orl?

[AladdinSane]

10. I, and most others, have been asuminbg fer qwite a wile dat Mitch is 3P - ither Jester or serviver. But sinse teh pool is reely geting qwite smorl now, we need to eggzamine orl our asumpshuns. Cood Mitch be Mafia playing a clever game? RIte at dis moment, I cant ackshually see why not. Wot beter way to gewt peepul to ignaw you? I mite be mising sumtink hear, in witch case, pleese point it out. Maybe I shood do dat analisis of Mitch's voting patern after orl.

[the white rose]

It does seem strange that mets is still alive.

if i were a betting man i would put money on him being scum, but then a little wifom might be evident here, scum would surely know that and will expect mets to be lynched today.

we have 2 scum to find, so supposing one is mets, we should go in search of the other one, if, and its a big if mets is town then by leaving him until tomorrow he might just find scum tonight. what harm could it do, if he is scum he will still be there for lynching tomorrow, lynch him today and we are still looking for scum tomorrow, its late here and i am tired, not sure if what i have written here will be understood, if not i will try and explain tomorrow after a good nights sleep