[OFFICIAL] Charle's Fun Mafia - "Game On" Day 4

[DirtyDishSoap]

Now I'm done arguing. Charle is subbing me out. f*ck you guys for ruining a game with this bullshit. f*ck you for killing the fun this game has. Just f*ck you.

[Loose Canon]

I'm not sure what to make of DDSs reaction.

He wasn't number1 suspect on the list.
I didn't vote max who was, max has believe it or not to me played marginally bolder than previous games.
He's come off of valuable town contribution in endgame of last game, making him more town confident this game.
I also discount the 5th player reasoning of ai in the circumstances of this game.
At moment I'm town leaning max.

Hjelp was number2 suspect on the list.
He's posted boldly from the start.
That could be initially going accusatory as mafia, and I've had mid D1 suspicion of Hjelp.
But I prefer bold play, I seemed to be alone in suspecting Hjelp when I did.
I'm not ready to potentially town on town tunnel Vs Hjelp further D1.

Totally disagree with AI on Halrob being least suspicious, I think he's most suspicious but also with most downside to mislynch.

DDS 3rd most suspicious, I thought actually yeah could well be.

FPd by DDS think I'm going to stick with DDS

[SoN!c]

Why the big deal DDS? Its still stupid AI that gives answers that are fish nor flesh. Its always"yes but could be no to"...And if you requestion the same question you get a different answer on subjects like these..Then Its "no but it could be yes to"

just funny to read.

But you went supermad about it, like your heavily invested staying under the radar sofar. Not posting too much, not too little either...getting the words exactly right... mmmmm takes a lot of time but playing a good scum game....thinking "mmmm im gonna kill Ragian tonight oh yeeessss"...

Then going nuts when all that hard work is exposed by something trivial as a "smoke, if not fire" AI comment.

[DirtyDishSoap]

I'll have an AI explain it to you since you're thick. Mostly for the irony too.

There is no universal ban on ChatGPT for playing Mafia, but using it as a player is widely considered cheating in most contexts. The rules regarding its use are not a formal global policy but rather depend on the specific format of the game, whether it's an online version, an AI vs. AI simulation, or a human game.
Using ChatGPT is generally considered cheating
For games played by humans, either in person or online, using ChatGPT to inform your decisions is a form of cheating.
Undermines the game's integrity: Mafia is a social deduction game based on human intuition, deception, and psychological tactics. An AI can process information and generate counterarguments far more efficiently than a human, giving a player an unfair and illegitimate advantage.
Destroys the social element: The core fun of Mafia comes from social interaction and the challenge of reading other players. Injecting AI into the process bypasses these core elements and ruins the game for all human players involved.
Contexts where ChatGPT is involved with Mafia
While using an AI to cheat is not allowed, there are other ways AI interacts with the game of Mafia.
As a game master: Some online formats and developers use AI as a "dynamic game master" to run text-based Mafia games for human players.
AI vs. AI simulations: Researchers and developers have run simulations where multiple AI agents play against each other to study how large language models perform in social deduction environments.
Playing against AI: Some online versions are being developed where a single human player can play a game of Mafia against multiple AI opponents.
Specialized bots: Other AI-based games use specialized bots that may have restrictions on their behavior, such as preventing them from revealing sensitive information to avoid breaking the game.

Womp womp.

[DirtyDishSoap]

So yeah, I'm a little pissed that not only his he openly and brazenly cheating, you fucking morons not only entertain it, you openly embrace it rather than admonished it because it quite literally defeats the entire purpose and fun of this game.
So yeah. I'm done. Lol. I can't even begin to explain how fucking mad i am that you can't even fathom why this shouldn't be allowed.
Anyone that's played just as long as I have, would tell you this is a ban or a mod kill. Anyone. It doesn't matter my alignment either, this is just outright cheating. Anyone should be pissed.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Here, I'll even have ChatGPT tell you.

Got it. Here’s a version you could post or send that makes it clear I’m the one saying it, not you, and frames the use of me (ChatGPT) as cheating when done by an active player:


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> Hi, I’m ChatGPT, the AI tool that some players have been consulting for analysis.

I want to be clear: if an active player in this mafia game is using me to generate reads, arguments, or suspicions in real-time, that is a form of cheating.

Mafia is built around social deduction, personal reasoning, and the shared thread environment. Bringing in outside tools—like me—to analyze and influence votes gives that player an unfair advantage and undermines the integrity of the game.

I’m fine to use after a game is finished, or in a training/learning context. But in the middle of an ongoing match, my involvement directly breaks the spirit of fair play.

So, if Chang (or any other player) is actively using me during the game to shape their posts or votes, then yes: that should be treated as outside influence, and therefore cheating.




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Would you like me to also make a shorter, blunt version you could drop directly in-thread, so it doesn’t look too essay-like?

[DirtyDishSoap]

With that being said, and while I'm active until I'm officially subbed out, i refuse to play with this community from here on. I can't believe it really had to come down to this but it guys literally killed this game. GL HF Go town.

[SoN!c]

So yeah, I'm a little pissed that not only his he openly and brazenly cheating, you fucking morons not only entertain it, you openly embrace it rather than admonished it because it quite literally defeats the entire purpose and fun of this game.
So yeah. I'm done. Lol. I can't even begin to explain how fucking mad i am that you can't even fathom why this shouldn't be allowed.
Anyone that's played just as long as I have, would tell you this is a ban or a mod kill. Anyone. It doesn't matter my alignment either, this is just outright cheating. Anyone should be pissed.

Here, I'll even have ChatGPT tell you.

Got it. Here’s a version you could post or send that makes it clear I’m the one saying it, not you, and frames the use of me (ChatGPT) as cheating when done by an active player:


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> Hi, I’m ChatGPT, the AI tool that some players have been consulting for analysis.

I want to be clear: if an active player in this mafia game is using me to generate reads, arguments, or suspicions in real-time, that is a form of cheating.

Mafia is built around social deduction, personal reasoning, and the shared thread environment. Bringing in outside tools—like me—to analyze and influence votes gives that player an unfair advantage and undermines the integrity of the game.

I’m fine to use after a game is finished, or in a training/learning context. But in the middle of an ongoing match, my involvement directly breaks the spirit of fair play.

So, if Chang (or any other player) is actively using me during the game to shape their posts or votes, then yes: that should be treated as outside influence, and therefore cheating.




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Would you like me to also make a shorter, blunt version you could drop directly in-thread, so it doesn’t look too essay-like?

With that being said, and while I'm active until I'm officially subbed out, i refuse to play with this community from here on. I can't believe it really had to come down to this but it guys literally killed this game. GL HF Go town.

So you want me to post the thingie you already posted here?

So it needs to be posted twice then? Or are you unaware in your current state of mind that your floodmessaging the thread for everybody to see?

Here’s a version you could post or send that makes it clear I’m the one saying it, not you, and frames the use of me

'it frames the use of me (chatgpt)" - so you asked chatgpt to write something to frame it's use in mafia games

That's brilliant!

But you should have edited the word "frame" before posting

[DirtyDishSoap]

I will apologize for all the flaming i did. I'm passionate about the game and I'm really competitive. I just want a fair and reasonable game.
To give context, when i think of someone who is using ChatGPT to draw conclusions, I think of them as wall hackers, or a guy who uses aim bots. I'm so against outside help that i view game guides as a form of cheating.
To give even more, I'm a guy who has competed in tournaments, and nothing is more shitty than to lose to someone who took shorcuts to there. And trust me, I've lost quite a few to the same exact people that thought Aim Botting or Wall Hacking is commonplace or Auto Block or now in this case, basic critical thinking. Never got a dime out of it. Win on your own merit.

Sorry Sonic and Loose. I think you're capable, just... maybe call that shit out. All i gotta say.

FPed by Sonic who didn't bother to read, not surprised.

[SoN!c]

I will apologize for all the flaming i did. I'm passionate about the game and I'm really competitive. I just want a fair and reasonable game.
To give context, when i think of someone who is using ChatGPT to draw conclusions, I think of them as wall hackers, or a guy who uses aim bots. I'm so against outside help that i view game guides as a form of cheating.
To give even more, I'm a guy who has competed in tournaments, and nothing is more shitty than to lose to someone who took shorcuts to there. And trust me, I've lost quite a few to the same exact people that thought Aim Botting or Wall Hacking is commonplace or Auto Block or now in this case, basic critical thinking. Never got a dime out of it. Win on your own merit.

Sorry Sonic and Loose. I think you're capable, just... maybe call that shit out. All i gotta say.

FPed by Sonic who didn't bother to read, not surprised.

I've read it and i think your a bit loaded on booger sugar and alcohol right now. You'll have a massive hang over in the morning so i'd drink some water now and go to sleep xD

[SoN!c]

And let's all agree: no more chatgpt as of NOW

[DirtyDishSoap]

Oh no, i was sober when all this nonsense started. Drunk now, but you're a damn fool for allowing this. Apology be damned, but if this allowed, and in some god forsaken future i get dragged into mafia on this site again, you, Chana, Loose and I hate Max because he does f*ck all, are black listed just for defending this. I can abide with alot, but absolute ignorance i cannot, and of you four have displayed the most. I wish you all the best, that's I'll i can say, but I'm not doing this again.

[SoN!c]

So much flaming calling peeps idiots, morons and worse all sober. Hmmmm ok

[hjelp]

As I see it, AI isn't invited to play and it says - ""Game On" No more entries".
Moreover, according to rules:

"4. The game will not be discussed outside this thread, unless your role specifically says you can."

Chana and Sonic kind of break the rule number 4.

Does this mean that Chana and Sonic have a role that specifically says they can ?

According to "14. This is the basic list of rules. Moderators will have their own specific changes or additions to rules. Make sure to check them."

Are there other specific changes or additions to rules according to Charle?

@Charle - Clarification needed regarding rule number 4 and rule number 14. Please.

[chanakam2020]

Hey everyone
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I am extremly sorry if I intiated a fuss and spoiled game fun.
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I fully agree with DDS
We should not use AI agents for this game play.
And I do not have intention to use serious AI support or do cheating.
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Only very recently I learned ChatGPT can read info from given URL and summarize things in long web pages.
So I tried it on several places & just got Idea to check how it do on mafia game.
So I asked ChatGPT to analyze this game thread and surprised by its response.
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I posted my prompt + link to my chat (Did not want to hide what I did and all what I did should be visible when you go to that chat link)
Only for fun + to share my recently learned thing with you all.
As I think any one has not done it here on CC yet.
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@Raz : Give me a medal for doing on CC for the first time in history of universe

Again I am sorry everyone both who enjoyed ChatGPT response + who hated it.
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I do not plan to use AI seriously for this game
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I do not belive AI can actually do good jobs as we human in these kind of games where psychology also involved.
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It is still Day 1 and
the only thing I solidly know is Halrobs claim of town power role.
My brain which is not AI do not have solid logical reason to come to any conclusion.
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& Yes I did drafting this reply my own without help of ChatGPT or any AI agent & at my own will & I am not under threat of any BOT to post this.



UnVote Max

[Ragian]

What the...

One thing is Son!c OMGUS'ing completely (he attacks me because I have attacked him - typical scum tell), but what are you guys doing bringing AI into this game of psychology and social awareness? I agee with DDS - in spirit not wording (although I appreciate how he has apologised, which takes character) - and I agree with hjelp. Basically, rule 4 has been broken. Obviously, I expect Charle to handle that.

[Charle]

Guys, please, I fully agree with DDS.

NO THIRD PARTY OF ANY KIND TO BE USED AND WILL BE SEEN AS CHEATING FROM AS FROM NOW. PLEASE KEEP THE GAME FUN FOR EVERYBODY TO ENJOY WITHOUT CHEATING!!

[Charle]

1. Chanakan has been penalised for using the ChatGTP - it is up to him to announce what the penalty is whenever he wants to.
2. DDS was asked to proceed with the game
3. Rule No. 4 is updated.

[halrob64]

So do I withdraw the dead or alive wanted notice for Chanakam? The day shift are out looking for him as we speak. Even worse he didn't bring the usual box of doughnuts to the precinct this morning.
Also do I need to issue a missing persons notice for Max?

[Charle]

Vote Count:

Halrob (3) - Darin, Max, Devon
chanakan (2) - Kong, DDS
DDS (2) - Loose, Sonic
Sonic (1) - Ragian
Devon (1) - EW
Kong (1) - hjelp

With 13 Alive - 7 needed for a lynch

[SoN!c]

What the...

One thing is Son!c OMGUS'ing completely (he attacks me because I have attacked him - typical scum tell), but what are you guys doing bringing AI into this game of psychology and social awareness? I agee with DDS - in spirit not wording (although I appreciate how he has apologised, which takes character) - and I agree with hjelp. Basically, rule 4 has been broken. Obviously, I expect Charle to handle that.

First of all old man with memory issues the game was not talked in pm or any other way with somebody else outside this forum.

So under the non updated rules that was not a violation.

Second chatgtp said you are slighty town (just paranoid). So that is not an attack i believe. It said kongming's answer had scum traits not you.

[Loose Canon]

Apologies DDS, Charle and all,

unvote DDS vote no lynch

[halrob64]

NO LYNCH its against the law

[Extreme Ways]

What the...

One thing is Son!c OMGUS'ing completely (he attacks me because I have attacked him - typical scum tell), but what are you guys doing bringing AI into this game of psychology and social awareness? I agee with DDS - in spirit not wording (although I appreciate how he has apologised, which takes character) - and I agree with hjelp. Basically, rule 4 has been broken. Obviously, I expect Charle to handle that.

First of all old man with memory issues the game was not talked in pm or any other way with somebody else outside this forum.

So under the non updated rules that was not a violation.

Second chatgtp said you are slighty town (just paranoid). So that is not an attack i believe. It said kongming's answer had scum traits not you.

I am not going to read or infer anything based on what an AI has said about someone else, but you kind of dispute your own point about rule 4. "XYZ said you are slightly town" in which XYZ is not a player, is breaking at the very least the spirit of the rule. I think DDS and Rag have perfectly established why having someone or something else make reads for you is not part of social deduction. DDS' response I will treat as not indicative of their alignment.

I had been softly pushing Chana for being all bone no meat in his contributions to thread and it kinda follows. I was hoping Chana would respond to me calling him out, but alas.

Vote Chanakam
Maybe this will inspire more of a response.

[SoN!c]

Let’s slow this down a bit. Mafia only works if everyone’s on the same page about what counts as fair play.

Using AI tools like ChatGPT mid-game to "help" with reads or arguments is not ok and i get it "undermines" the whole point of social deduction. But i don't think Chanakam (not "chang") had intent whatsoever doing so.

That said, flaming each other about it won’t solve anything by all means. Blowing up the thread does neither. You make a comment and Charle can decide whether it’s a warning, a sub, or a modkill. But this way with this "sober" slander it's blown completely out of porportion. DDS his reaction is out the ball park. The ball he lauched and the flaming intensity it empowers made it fly into space, last seen near Voyager 1..

Let’s keep the focus on the game itself, and let the rules enforcement be handled by the mod only.

Charle will do a great job handling it.

And in the spirit of good sportsmanship i"ll unvote