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Re: Psychology Mafia ~ Day 2, An unfortunate loss
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:47 pm
by /
pancakemix wrote:/ wrote:pancakemix wrote:I hate to break it to you, but there's an effective investigative claim to test right now. That needs to be handled first and foremost. I really don't get why you're keeping on this so much when there are bigger fish to fry (or rather, more direct fish).
So, are you saying we should no lynch so we might test edoc's claim tonight?
a bit of an odd strategy, but I will object to little.
I'm suggesting we lynch vodean, because that will determine whether edoc is telling the truth about his investigation powers.
@jak: I'm going to defer to edoc's earlier statement.
Investigation?
if you want to pressure vodean, I'm fine with that. But edoc didn't claim any investigation, he just claimed he can make the mod tell people that "edoc is a happy townie."
I don't really see how lynching vodean helps that either way.
Though I could come up with some interesting conclusions for fun besides the ones edoc provided.
Maybe Edoc has some kind of bastard role where he's really telling people he's unhappy but thinks he's telling them he's happy.
Maybe (this would be fun for third party) edoc tells whomever he targets what they want to hear, "I'm on your side". Mafia could get "edoc is unhappy" town could get "edoc is a very happy townie", and if he targets me, I'd hear, "edoc doesn't really feel strongly one way or the other"
the later could be a reason to pressure vodean, probably unlikely unless edoc is actually some sort of shmoozy thought though.
ah well, good luck figuring this out, I don't need to step on any toes with what I really think is going on...
Re: Psychology Mafia ~ Day 2, An unfortunate loss
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:52 pm
by jak111
vodean wrote:pancake, i understand your sentiment, but have to disagree, in part because it would not mean that soundman were cleared, and moreover, sacrificing one townie to prove another's innocence is pretty poor play. by poor, i mean expensive. this is a small game, and we are already down two townies.
FOS pcm
Fine, I'll vote Vodean, but Soundman isn't clear by a long shot. In part because I want us to move someone and in part because of a lie in this post... only 1 townie dead... not 2...
Unvote, Vote Vodean
Re: Psychology Mafia ~ Day 2, An unfortunate loss
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:54 pm
by jak111
/ wrote:I don't need to step on any toes with what I really think is going on...
What do you think /?
Re: Psychology Mafia ~ Day 2, An unfortunate loss
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:31 pm
by Mr. Squirrel
Vote Count
Soundman (1) - vodean,
vodean (3) - edocsil, pancakemix, jak
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Re: Psychology Mafia ~ Day 2, An unfortunate loss
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:46 pm
by safariguy5
Last I checked, Friendly Neighbor does not find out alignment of the person he's PMing innocence to. All it does is show that edoc is a slightly stronger version of Innocent Townie. That's not an investigative role unless I'm missing something here.
Re: Psychology Mafia ~ Day 2, An unfortunate loss
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:35 pm
by edocsil
safariguy5 wrote:Last I checked, Friendly Neighbor does not find out alignment of the person he's PMing innocence to. All it does is show that edoc is a slightly stronger version of Innocent Townie. That's not an investigative role unless I'm missing something here.
I have no investigative ability. The only way it could be considered investigative is by the targets reaction.
Re: Psychology Mafia ~ Day 2, An unfortunate loss
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:05 pm
by pancakemix
It's an effective investigation. At least this one is. Now that your claim is out, your role's usefulness is greatly diminished, now that I think about it. However, it has proven its usefulness, and now it should be tested. Vodean is suspect according to edoc's claim, if it is to be believed. His death could verify edoc, or it could implicate him. Either way, we win.
Re: Psychology Mafia ~ Day 2, An unfortunate loss
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:04 pm
by jak111
pancakemix wrote:Either way, we win.
I'm a bit skeptical about your use of "we" after the Rolegift Mafia revelation. But Vodean is a good lynch candidate with all that we have.
Re: Psychology Mafia ~ Day 2, An unfortunate loss
Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:41 pm
by vodean
pancakemix wrote:It's an effective investigation. At least this one is. Now that your claim is out, your role's usefulness is greatly diminished, now that I think about it. However, it has proven its usefulness, and now it should be tested. Vodean is suspect according to edoc's claim, if it is to be believed. His death could verify edoc, or it could implicate him. Either way, we win.
well it would mean the death of me, too. and thats pretty scummy of you. im not sure whether your personal feelings towards me are influencing your decision to try and lynch me, but i do know that lynching me by your logic would only help scum.
letting scum get 2 deaths is a very poor way to get 1 townie confirmed. and it wouldnt even confirm it. edoc could STILL be fake-claiming. he could be straight up lying, or else he could be my scumbuddy (depending on how i flip, although i know that i would flip town). so pcm, stop. one more attempt and i will upgrade my FOS to a vote. for now, it stays on soundman.
Re: Psychology Mafia ~ Day 2, An unfortunate loss
Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:52 pm
by edocsil
vodean wrote:pancakemix wrote:It's an effective investigation. At least this one is. Now that your claim is out, your role's usefulness is greatly diminished, now that I think about it. However, it has proven its usefulness, and now it should be tested. Vodean is suspect according to edoc's claim, if it is to be believed. His death could verify edoc, or it could implicate him. Either way, we win.
well it would mean the death of me, too. and thats pretty scummy of you. im not sure whether your personal feelings towards me are influencing your decision to try and lynch me, but i do know that lynching me by your logic would only help scum.
letting scum get 2 deaths is a very poor way to get 1 townie confirmed. and it wouldnt even confirm it. edoc could STILL be fake-claiming. he could be straight up lying, or else he could be my scumbuddy (depending on how i flip, although i know that i would flip town). so pcm, stop. one more attempt and i will upgrade my FOS to a vote. for now, it stays on soundman.
Bah, I am not lying. Give me more credit, I wouldn't claim a role that would kill me in a day, two at best.
Re: Psychology Mafia ~ Day 2, An unfortunate loss
Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:41 pm
by DoomYoshi
zimmah wrote:You guys need to stop confusing love with other emotions, commonly you confuse it with lust and obsession, both Of these emotions are far from love, and are I fact quite the opposite. I don't want to throw religion in this game, but the bible sais multiple things about (true) love. And that is for example that god IS love, And love is patient, kind! Does not envy, does not brag and is not proud, and love endures all things. dedication and devotion are a mayor part of love. True love (not the emotions you intake lay confuse with love) only leads to good things.
Love and a couple of other emotions (which are basically all aspects of love) are the only emotions named I the bible to have 'no law against them' and thus ANY action taken with real love guiding you, is pure and innocent, it's impossible to do bad deeds out of love. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Anyway, enough about me. Let's focus on the emotion that is most suspicious at the moment, which is sadness, the opposite of joy.
Opposite of joy?
Vote vodeanSoundman, you are next. Sorry to hang you but that is silly.
Re: Psychology Mafia ~ Day 2, An unfortunate loss
Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:52 pm
by safariguy5
vodean wrote:pancakemix wrote:It's an effective investigation. At least this one is. Now that your claim is out, your role's usefulness is greatly diminished, now that I think about it. However, it has proven its usefulness, and now it should be tested. Vodean is suspect according to edoc's claim, if it is to be believed. His death could verify edoc, or it could implicate him. Either way, we win.
well it would mean the death of me, too. and thats pretty scummy of you. im not sure whether your personal feelings towards me are influencing your decision to try and lynch me, but i do know that lynching me by your logic would only help scum.
letting scum get 2 deaths is a very poor way to get 1 townie confirmed. and it wouldnt even confirm it. edoc could STILL be fake-claiming. he could be straight up lying, or else he could be my scumbuddy (depending on how i flip, although i know that i would flip town). so pcm, stop. one more attempt and i will upgrade my FOS to a vote. for now, it stays on soundman.
I'm just not seeing the risk/reward for scum to be fakeclaiming right now. Especially since it's so early on in the game, 1 scum for 1 townie doesn't make much sense.
unvote waiting for a VC before I vote vodean.
Re: Psychology Mafia ~ Day 2, An unfortunate loss
Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:12 pm
by vodean
why are we voting me? im starting school, and activity will be minimal the next few days. please dont lynch me during that time. thanks.
Re: Psychology Mafia ~ Day 2, An unfortunate loss
Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:21 pm
by DoomYoshi
vodean wrote:why are we voting me? im starting school, and activity will be minimal the next few days. please dont lynch me during that time. thanks.
Deadline will be soonish. I am in favor of lynching you because it fully sorts out the tangle. If edoc is telling the truth, and is joy, then zinmah knew edoc was my, and communicated it to you. The other option is that edoc picked up the idea for joy from zimmah's post. In any case, joy is too specific for it to be coincidence.
Don't believe me?
Ask the next person you see what the opposite of sadness is. If anyone says joy instead of happiness, then I will drop the case.
Re: Psychology Mafia ~ Day 2, An unfortunate loss
Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:54 am
by Mr. Squirrel
Vote Count
Soundman (1) - vodean,
vodean (4) - edocsil, pancakemix, jak, doomyoshi
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
I'm gonna set the deadline for 4 days from today. Vote counts might be sparse until then, since I will be on a short road trip.
Re: Psychology Mafia ~ Day 2, An unfortunate loss
Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:04 am
by soundman
DoomYoshi wrote:vodean wrote:why are we voting me? im starting school, and activity will be minimal the next few days. please dont lynch me during that time. thanks.
Deadline will be soonish. I am in favor of lynching you because it fully sorts out the tangle. If edoc is telling the truth, and is joy, then zinmah knew edoc was
my joy, and communicated it to you. The other option is that edoc picked up the idea for joy from zimmah's post. In any case, joy is too specific for it to be coincidence.
Don't believe me?
Ask the next person you see what the opposite of sadness is. If anyone says joy instead of happiness, then I will drop the case.
Doom, you have me a little confused. I made a change to this post of yours, is that what you meant? If so then I can tell you that I (or Zimmah) have had no communication with Vodean outside of this thread and have no idea what roles anyone else has. You posted two options. There is a third. Edoc is joy and Zimmah thinks the opposite of sadness is joy. I don't think it would be a stretch to say that there are people who would answer the opposite of sadness with joy.
Re: Psychology Mafia ~ Day 2, An unfortunate loss
Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:29 am
by DoomYoshi
Correct change, sound.
Re: Psychology Mafia ~ Day 2, An unfortunate loss
Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:17 am
by edocsil
soundman wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:vodean wrote:why are we voting me? im starting school, and activity will be minimal the next few days. please dont lynch me during that time. thanks.
Deadline will be soonish. I am in favor of lynching you because it fully sorts out the tangle. If edoc is telling the truth, and is joy, then zinmah knew edoc was
my joy, and communicated it to you. The other option is that edoc picked up the idea for joy from zimmah's post. In any case, joy is too specific for it to be coincidence.
Don't believe me?
Ask the next person you see what the opposite of sadness is. If anyone says joy instead of happiness, then I will drop the case.
Doom, you have me a little confused. I made a change to this post of yours, is that what you meant? If so then I can tell you that I (or Zimmah) have had no communication with Vodean outside of this thread and have no idea what roles anyone else has. You posted two options. There is a third. Edoc is joy and Zimmah thinks the opposite of sadness is joy. I don't think it would be a stretch to say that there are people who would answer the opposite of sadness with joy.
Well, that's very nice, but it doesn't explain how vodean got my result, and had it all messed up.
Re: Psychology Mafia ~ Day 2, An unfortunate loss
Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:26 pm
by soundman
edocsil wrote:soundman wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:vodean wrote:why are we voting me? im starting school, and activity will be minimal the next few days. please dont lynch me during that time. thanks.
Deadline will be soonish. I am in favor of lynching you because it fully sorts out the tangle. If edoc is telling the truth, and is joy, then zinmah knew edoc was
my joy, and communicated it to you. The other option is that edoc picked up the idea for joy from zimmah's post. In any case, joy is too specific for it to be coincidence.
Don't believe me?
Ask the next person you see what the opposite of sadness is. If anyone says joy instead of happiness, then I will drop the case.
Doom, you have me a little confused. I made a change to this post of yours, is that what you meant? If so then I can tell you that I (or Zimmah) have had no communication with Vodean outside of this thread and have no idea what roles anyone else has. You posted two options. There is a third. Edoc is joy and Zimmah thinks the opposite of sadness is joy. I don't think it would be a stretch to say that there are people who would answer the opposite of sadness with joy.
Well, that's very nice, but it doesn't explain how vodean got my result, and had it all messed up.
Couple scenarios. Busdrive that also flips actions to the opposite. Or busdrive and then someone who changes actions targeted you. Your role action is a lie (like a paranoid cop). There was just a busdrive and Vodean is mafia in which case he decides to lie about what he got.
I don't think the last one is very likely. It would be a very risky move for scum.
Re: Psychology Mafia ~ Day 2, An unfortunate loss
Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:02 pm
by edocsil
Yes, all three scenarios I have already presented. I have explained why the first two are unlikely. All roles so far are vannila-ish roles. A busdriver role inverter is out of character from the roles we have seen so far, and from the lack of power of my own. Even a role inverter is insanely OP. We NEED to know if it is in the game. If I am right, well then all is good. If I am wrong you have to hang me the next day. Either I am insane and cannot be trusted, or there is an Inverter of some sort. My role is weak enough that my loss would be minimal for the knowledge gained.
Seeing as I would rather like to live and continue to contribute, I am of the opinion that we follow the course that is both the simplest in terms of night actions (scum made a mistake trying to lie to frame me) and the one that stands to gain the town the most ground.
Re: Psychology Mafia ~ Day 2, An unfortunate loss
Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:37 pm
by vodean
ok, well considering the facts, i think a full claim from me is in order. Its pretty clear that im gonna die at this point. ok. i accept that. Im town tracker. I didnt want to do this either, because there were no guarantees that it was a killing action, but doom visited Strike last night. then edoc is caught guilty, as per the strange PM i got, and then Zimmah/soundman is guilty as per the role.
lynch me, but then please follow up. use this information wisely.
Re: Psychology Mafia ~ Day 2, An unfortunate loss
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:47 pm
by jak111
Unvote, confirmation Doom?
Re: Psychology Mafia ~ Day 2, An unfortunate loss
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:32 pm
by DoomYoshi
Yes, dim chose to visit strike.
Unvote
Re: Psychology Mafia ~ Day 2, An unfortunate loss
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:40 pm
by jak111
So, we have 3 outed roles and 3 name claims.
We have Edoc's Joy and Friendly Neighbor
We have Vodean's Curiosity and Tracker
We have Doom's Watcher
We have Soundman's Love
Correct me if I'm wrong in any of these spots but are there any counter claims? Doom sounds like Intelligence or whatever to me. But his emotion claim is yet to be seen and Soundman's role claim is yet to be seen. With Doc dead and less and less good roles for Love to be... I'm a bit worried of whether Love is really any type of power role for us. Cop, Vig, Roleblock are all doubtful to me.
Now we have DiM who decided to take a stop by Strike Wolf's body. Confirmation DiM?
Re: Psychology Mafia ~ Day 2, An unfortunate loss
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:51 pm
by pancakemix
jak111 wrote:So, we have 3 outed roles and 3 name claims.
We have Edoc's Joy and Friendly Neighbor
We have Vodean's Curiosity and Tracker
We have Doom's Watcher
We have Soundman's Love
Correct me if I'm wrong in any of these spots but are there any counter claims? Doom sounds like Intelligence or whatever to me. But his emotion claim is yet to be seen and Soundman's role claim is yet to be seen. With Doc dead and less and less good roles for Love to be... I'm a bit worried of whether Love is really any type of power role for us. Cop, Vig, Roleblock are all doubtful to me.
Now we have DiM who decided to take a stop by Strike Wolf's body. Confirmation DiM?
Doom replaced DiM, so he's confirming that that's what he did. He's aso acknowledging he visited the N1 death on N1, so unless he's got a good explanation, I think I know where the votes should go.