CC's 10 BEST PLAYERS IN THEIR 20's

[Robinette]

Here's the complete list...

it's not complete.

Quite, dim.

If I've missed someone, please let me know so that I can add them...

[Timminz]

Here's the complete list...

it's not complete.

Quite, dim.

If I've missed someone, please let me know so that I can add them...

Oops. Pardon me, and my errant commas.

[betiko]

maybe you should just call it a list of the highest ranked players in their 20s, cause playing too much cc doesn t mean you re the smartest ever I d say

[Robinette]

mad respect to icecarver and adolf_frogler

they are the only ones on the list who have the guts to risk their points in this game of chance with people who aren't highly ranked

everyone else on the list just plays tons of 8 player games with other high-ranked players. of course they're going to maintain their high rank when they don't have much to lose, and the game is more about diplomacy and initial drop than actual skill. anyone with a decent amount of risk skill could do the same thing.

edit: i guess herrz and blkvanquish sometimes do that as well, but they play the exact same map and settings for the vast majority of their games, soooo... i'm still not impressed

wow... you sure are difficult to impress... and you seem to have us all figured out...
I map-ranked myself for private vs public games, and this really surprised me.
And it seems to imply the opposite of what you are saying (if i am reading these right)

PUBLIC GAMES
Map ......... Rank ........ Points ......... Win/Loss ........ Unique Defeats ...... Kill Ratio ............. Relative Rank
Totals .... Brigadier ... +2153 ... 82 from 165(50%) ........ 307 ..........Warmonger (80%) ... Point Hoarder (0.687)

PRIVATE GAMES
Map ......... Rank ........ Points ......... Win/Loss ........ Unique Defeats ...... Kill Ratio ............. Relative Rank
Totals ...... Cook ....... -558 ...... 94 from 469(20%) ......... 229 ........... Serial Killer (55%) ... Equalitarian (0.908)

So it begs the question... why play so many private games if i'm going to lose 4 out 5 of them...
Clearly it's not to hoard points... I've earned a net loss of -558 points from those games...

Contrast that with a 50% overall win rate for Public games...
Now I know some are already assuming it's the game mix, 1v1's or teams, or who knows what...
So let's break it down...
most of those points have come from winning 46% of my 6p public games +1296
and the next highest is from winning 61% of my 5p public games +590

Private games? lets compare, i have won just 20% of 6p private games -538
and 23% of 5p private games -96

Conclusions? You tell me... i would imagine there are many here that can analyze map rank stats better than i can, but i am going to assume it means i can really kick some arse when playing average players, but that i am not nearly as good playing the best of the best... curse you [player]comic boy[/player], lol

And just one more thing...
this is my last completed Game 9859031
This was a public 8 player game vs mostly Sergeants, and winning yielded me just 86 points
86 points for an 8 player game, where even a 50% win rate would be a net loss of points...
So come on... aren't you impressed just a little tiny bit?

[Robinette]

maybe you should just call it a list of the highest ranked players in their 20s, cause playing too much cc doesn t mean you re the smartest ever I d say

never ever said the smartest...

should we just say CC's 20 somethings that are the MOST


seriously though, the list itself is pretty much exactly what you are requesting:

Here's the complete list...
The 16 HIGHEST RANKED CC PLAYERS under 30...
as of November 16, 2011

But if this is going to ruffle a bunch of feathers, i can go back and edit out the word "intelligent" from that post.
Ahhh, the things I will do just to make some people feel better...

[Leehar]

The 20% win rate from 6p games when theoretically it should be 17% and 23 from 5p when it should be 20 in private games is still pretty damn good?

I'm curious why you didn't join the Conquer Cup Robin? You would've been a serious contender for the title if you had a 60% chance to win them?

[greenoaks]

i still don't get wtf your rank has to do with being the most intelligent.

please explain how someone's run of bad dice makes them stupid.

[DiM]

Here's the complete list...

it's not complete.

If I've missed someone, please let me know so that I can add them...

well, for instance i could be on that list but that's besides the point as i'm really sure you'll find your top 16 somewhere in the top 50 from the scoreboard. no need to go all the way to 200+. any of those people should have the capacity to enter such a top 16 but they simply made a choice of playing differently.

but that's not the point either, what i'm actually concerned about is the implied link between rank and intelligence. i mean, the score system that we have doesn't even gauge the skill of a player so it's clear it's nowhere near assessing a player's intelligence.

[DiM]

mad respect to icecarver and adolf_frogler

they are the only ones on the list who have the guts to risk their points in this game of chance with people who aren't highly ranked

everyone else on the list just plays tons of 8 player games with other high-ranked players. of course they're going to maintain their high rank when they don't have much to lose, and the game is more about diplomacy and initial drop than actual skill. anyone with a decent amount of risk skill could do the same thing.

edit: i guess herrz and blkvanquish sometimes do that as well, but they play the exact same map and settings for the vast majority of their games, soooo... i'm still not impressed

wow... you sure are difficult to impress... and you seem to have us all figured out...
I map-ranked myself for private vs public games, and this really surprised me.
And it seems to imply the opposite of what you are saying (if i am reading these right)

PUBLIC GAMES
Map ......... Rank ........ Points ......... Win/Loss ........ Unique Defeats ...... Kill Ratio ............. Relative Rank
Totals .... Brigadier ... +2153 ... 82 from 165(50%) ........ 307 ..........Warmonger (80%) ... Point Hoarder (0.687)

PRIVATE GAMES
Map ......... Rank ........ Points ......... Win/Loss ........ Unique Defeats ...... Kill Ratio ............. Relative Rank
Totals ...... Cook ....... -558 ...... 94 from 469(20%) ......... 229 ........... Serial Killer (55%) ... Equalitarian (0.908)

So it begs the question... why play so many private games if i'm going to lose 4 out 5 of them...
Clearly it's not to hoard points... I've earned a net loss of -558 points from those games...

Contrast that with a 50% overall win rate for Public games...
Now I know some are already assuming it's the game mix, 1v1's or teams, or who knows what...
So let's break it down...
most of those points have come from winning 46% of my 6p public games +1296
and the next highest is from winning 61% of my 5p public games +590

Private games? lets compare, i have won just 20% of 6p private games -538
and 23% of 5p private games -96

Conclusions? You tell me... i would imagine there are many here that can analyze map rank stats better than i can, but i am going to assume it means i can really kick some arse when playing average players, but that i am not nearly as good playing the best of the best... curse you [player]comic boy[/player], lol

And just one more thing...
this is my last completed Game 9859031
This was a public 8 player game vs mostly Sergeants, and winning yielded me just 86 points
86 points for an 8 player game, where even a 50% win rate would be a net loss of points...
So come on... aren't you impressed just a little tiny bit?

while your stats do seem pretty good they are completely irrelevant.
you're what can be called a specialist. basically you're specialized in 6p escalating games on very few maps (13).
so your points reflect your skill at a specific game type on a specific range of maps.
i'm willing to bet anything your score would plummet if you were thrown in some games with settings you've never played.

if you stick to playing what you're good at your score will maintain or even get higher but once you try playing everything your score will get lower.

as long as CC thinks a short and completely inaccurate formula for the score system is better than a longer more complicated but highly accurate one score will be completely irrelevant when it comes to skill or intelligence or anything at all.

[natty dread]

well, for instance i could be on that list

No you can't, you're 47..

[DiM]

well, for instance i could be on that list

No you can't, you're 47..

i said i could, not that i should


in fact almost anybody could. just pick a game type, a few maps and get really good at those. add opponent selection in the mix and you'd be doing great in no time

[Robinette]

Dang... there are a lot of people sensitive to what this list implies...

I didn't like it when others got better grades than me in school, even when I knew I was smarter than them, so i think i understand how you feel...

And I totally agree that the CC scoreboard is pretty lame overall.

So I will go ahead and tone down the perceived implication of intelligence in order to make those of you upset by this hopefully feel a little bit better.

[Robinette]

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The Controversial List of CC's most intelligent 20 something list continues...
Using the same Criteria, but with a NEW NAME to Protect the Sensitive
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The BEST CC PLAYERS UNDER 30

We are back down to 14 players now,

And just LOOK at all this diversity!

11 different countries represented, on 3 different continents!

United Kingdom, USA, Ireland, Croatia, Norway, Canada, Netherlands, Greece, Portugal, Malaysia, Thailand

HOW COOL IS THAT!


Here's the complete list of
The 14 HIGHEST RANKED CC PLAYERS under 30...
as of November 20, 2011


40 [player]impassive[/player] 3348 432 92 (21%) Brigadier Brigadier 5 4.9 United States

41 [player]merida[/player] 3342 815 226 (28%) Brigadier Brigadier 16 4.8 Thailand

49 [player]Stbtgal[/player] 3277 2391 591 (25%) Brigadier Brigadier 19 4.9 United States

76 [player]RL_Orange[/player] 3048 5273 1437 (27%) Brigadier Brigadier 35 5.0 Netherlands

98 [player]pickleofdoom[/player] 2978 1771 509 (29%) Colonel Colonel 20 4.9 Portugal

111 [player]blkvanquish[/player] 2940 8496 1721 (20%) Colonel Colonel 10 4.8 Canada

117 [player]Deng Xiao Ping[/player] 2920 2604 603 (23%) Colonel Colonel 23 4.7 Malaysia

139 [player]Robinette[/player] 2841 655 183 (28%) Colonel Colonel 9 5.0 United States

142 [player]erkern[/player] 2835 6391 1478 (23%) Colonel Colonel 26 4.8 Norway

159 [player]gas[/player] 2809 2053 561 (27%) Colonel Colonel 29 4.8 Greece

186 [player]Woltato[/player] 2743 3212 932 (29%) Colonel Colonel 19 4.8 United Kingdom

202 [player]-vor-[/player] 2718 136 35 (26%) Colonel Colonel 3 4.9 Croatia

204 [player]steve066[/player] 2716 3098 869 (28%) Colonel Colonel 27 4.9 United States

222 [player]adolf_frogler[/player] 2686 1579 443 (28%) Colonel Colonel 13 4.8 Ireland



Are YOU an above average 20 something?
Do you think you should be on this list?
If you answered YES to both those questions, then please post...
if it can be determined that you really are, then you'll be added to the list,
So that fame and fortune can follow you everywhere!

[Bones2484]

i still don't get wtf your rank has to do with being the most intelligent.

please explain how someone's run of bad dice makes them stupid.

I think you're just upset that you, at 44, were never as good as the 20 somethings on this list.

[Aradhus]

The people on this list might be smarter, younger and better at CC than me, but I bet I'd beat them at Rock-paper-scissors. So there. Yeargh!

[dcowboys055]

Well I was ranked 186 when I was 15 years old so suck on that! I mean there were like 1000 people on the site then... but who cares? #puberty power

[Commander62890]

Hey Robin,

How about, "Highest-Ranked players under 30?"

I think that would quell any and all serious controversy with regard to this thread, and allow us to focus on the real purpose of it... tricking people into thinking it's about age.

Think about the "Top 50 Scores Of All Time" thread... there's a reason it isn't called "Top 50 Players Of All Time."

[john9blue]

"The CC Players under 30 that happen to best meet the criteria for Robinette's list"

THERE

no more controversy

[Victor Sullivan]

I demand a senior discount!

-Sully

[greenoaks]

i still don't get wtf your rank has to do with being the most intelligent.

please explain how someone's run of bad dice makes them stupid.

I think you're just upset that you, at 44, were never as good as the 20 somethings on this list.

whoa, i'm not 44 yet.

[Bones2484]

i still don't get wtf your rank has to do with being the most intelligent.

please explain how someone's run of bad dice makes them stupid.

I think you're just upset that you, at 44, were never as good as the 20 somethings on this list.

whoa, i'm not 44 yet.

You were 44 this morning and you are 44 right now when I checked again.

[Army of GOD]

tricking people into thinking it's about age.

mod edit

[greenoaks]

i still don't get wtf your rank has to do with being the most intelligent.

please explain how someone's run of bad dice makes them stupid.

I think you're just upset that you, at 44, were never as good as the 20 somethings on this list.

whoa, i'm not 44 yet.

You were 44 this morning and you are 44 right now when I checked again.

what does 44 have to do with rank = intelligence, run of bad dice = less intelligent than yesterday?

[john9blue]

people get trolled by the premise of this thread

that's pretty impressive

[Commander62890]

This is awesome. I'm putting it on our door when I room with Luke next semester.