Conquer Club

dakky21 wrote:On the other hand, mitch asking questions which can't be answered yet is something completely different.

Exactly -- I noticed that. Too many questions for day 1... too few answers/theories provided by him. Reads like a post of someone trying to appear productive.


Also this slip up is almost too good to be true... but I can't ignore it so Unvote Vote Anarkist:

Anarkistsdream wrote:I also notice that , out of 26 people, we do not have many people who are even posting once a day... If they are town, they are just screwing the rest of us. If they are scum, we are far too easily slipping under the radar...

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Hotshot has acknowledged, and psst Anark, notice he said sweet piss all.

TimWoodbury wrote:Doom why mention team rocket who says they even in the game are you team rocket??

Anyway. Unvote vote Tim

Feel free to write more war and peace on this wierd one.

I'll get back to writing war and peace in a few days, most likely. For now, I'll vote wing for aforementioned reasons. There's not much to respond to or throw opinions in, at this point. Other than Nark's typo...Looking at it, I see either voting for Nark for what could be a slipup and scumtell, or it could just be a simple typo. On the other hand, I see wing which I felt there was a solid case for made in my previous post...

Samlen wrote:

mandalorian2298 wrote:
Professor Oak: Thank you, Reporter. Given that most of the Gym Masters have been killed, this year we decided that it would be to dangerous to keep all our fights focused on a few specific locations. Instead, I have supplied a few kids with a Pokedex and a starting pokemon, and released them into the Kanto region to find and defeat each other. The last one of them to survive will be crowned the Champion.

Was rereading thread (and still am so I can post something more meaningful) and noticed this interesting tidbit from day 1 starting post. The bolded part insinuates that the trainers have one pokemon already, so it's entirely possible that we could go through the thread and sniff out teams of two if we wanted to find trainer/pokemon pairs.

I can see I've picked up a few votes, but for anyone else watching, I think Mandy's story clue here is important.
Those kid trainers are almost 100% certain to be 'town' trainers. As for Team Rocket, while yes, it's likely they'll be here, it's by no means guaranteed. Giovanni I would say is likely sitting in the 'godfather' role, but he was never really a 'trainer' per se. More like a businessman who constantly got he lackies doing his work for him.

Don't think he's been mentioned yet but Gary Oak might be here too, maybe in a 3rd party capacity.

In a nutshell, I don't believe those are good enough odds to target what you believe is a trainer. You're more likely to hit town.

DoomYoshi wrote:

Fircoal wrote:

Minister Masket wrote:

kwanton wrote:3. No, or almost no (I'm still working on figuring out playable alternatives for the last two roles), "classic" Mafia powers are going to feature in this game.

Wonder if this counts for scum as well as town. Could scum maybe be able to do something else besides kill at night since thats what they classically do?

I was banking on the 'almost' part of that rule being true and that there's at least some protective-type role out there. I wouldn't have thought Pokemon can defend themselves since most moves (in the games at least) are offensive.

FYI there is a move called protect.

... it does exactly that.

However, it was only introduced in Gen II. (wow it feels like it's been around forever. SO MANY YEARS.)

In Gen 1 we called it Harden.

While I respect your bold play MM, I must also unvote vote Masket. Before roles are handed out, it's fair to assume a game called Pokemon would feature Pokemon. I think your comment is a legitimate slip.

Can you elaborate please on how you think that makes him scummy ? Is your suggestion that all trainers are scum as that would be invalid. In the anime there are bad and good trainers, and good and bad Pokemon too (koffing, meowth, ekans) etc

BuJaber wrote:

dakky21 wrote:On the other hand, mitch asking questions which can't be answered yet is something completely different.

Exactly -- I noticed that. Too many questions for day 1... too few answers/theories provided by him. Reads like a post of someone trying to appear productive.


Also this slip up is almost too good to be true... but I can't ignore it so Unvote Vote Anarkist:

Anarkistsdream wrote:I also notice that , out of 26 people, we do not have many people who are even posting once a day... If they are town, they are just screwing the rest of us. If they are scum, we are far too easily slipping under the radar...

Haha, clutching at straws imho unless he is playing jester the post would make no sense. How would he be slipping under the radar as one of the most active posters? Either way a case is a case and it is good to get some conversation flowing.

madmitch wrote:Okay guys and gals the only thing I know about Pokemon is what I see on netflicks, I have been reading about them in wiki and am starting to make some sense of it all. So what I got so far from all the posts that we are in Indigo league which is Gen. 1 and the bad guys are Team Rocket , am I correct ? If so why would anyone bring up team rocket when we all know they are scum? was it a slip or are they as mentioned before looking for town cred? H ow many teams are there? As someone else asked are the trainers fighting against other trainers? How many trainers are there? and are there pokemons without trainers? These questions must be answered before we get a good sense who to go after. Can someone answer any of these questions?

Obviously no one can answer these questions, apart from the mod. Any commentary at the moment is based on pure speculation from our understanding of Pokemon and the first generation. You should realise this

legionnare wrote:

Ragian wrote:@legionnare, no opinions formed yet? It's difficult for us - who haven't played with you either - to form an opinion of you if you don't post your thoughts and comments.

No opinions formed because I've still to read through the D1 posts, thoughts and comments will follow once I have.

Talk about hiding and lurking trying to avoid contributing. Surely you have some opinions on the proceeds now?

vote legionnare time to give your thoughts, what do you think of Masket, Nark etc.?

BuJaber wrote:

dakky21 wrote:On the other hand, mitch asking questions which can't be answered yet is something completely different.

Exactly -- I noticed that. Too many questions for day 1... too few answers/theories provided by him. Reads like a post of someone trying to appear productive.


Also this slip up is almost too good to be true... but I can't ignore it so Unvote Vote Anarkist:

Anarkistsdream wrote:I also notice that , out of 26 people, we do not have many people who are even posting once a day... If they are town, they are just screwing the rest of us. If they are scum, we are far too easily slipping under the radar...

Good catch, that could definitely be an inadvertent slip-up by a scum... and combined with earlier when he tried to not get "distracted" by anything other than his own case, it's the best lead I've seen so far for day 1, so I will unvote, vote Anarkistdream

Call me stupid but I don't understand what the slip of Anark is... that bolded part... anyone care to explain?

Minister Masket wrote:
In a nutshell, I don't believe those are good enough odds to target what you believe is a trainer. You're more likely to hit town.

So your assumption is then that the majority of the pokemon are then town aligned? And I'm sorry, lost again so hopefully someone can fill in. But, why wouldn't team rocket be considered kid trainers? I thought in the game they were the same age as Ash and the rest?

Hey all, I'm read up, missed yesterday due to work and just now finishing up at midnight my time due to having played paintball today, and I'm exhausted. I'm sorry for my inactivity, and I'll make a post within 24 hours on the current events and anything else that I thought was important since my last post.

To kind of answer your question Talapus, I feel like I've read somewhere that Ash is about ten, Misty twelve, Brock a little older, like thirteen/fourteen, and then Jesse and James were fifteen/sixteen, though don't quote me on that, it was a long time ago when I read about it.

Anarkistsdream wrote:

strike wolf wrote:

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Tim scum slipped. Its blatant.

I think you are underestimating the complexity of this game. It seems to me that the belief previously stated that there are factions within the town itself is probably true.

@Nark: don't sell it too short. I was playing a bit of a doubting Thomas on the Masket case but there was some warrant to it.

Well, I thought it was a pretty awesome catch... I also stuck to it, and was lambasted for it. So, I backed off. Trump, I mean WingCommander and, IIRC, Fircoal, were the ones who thought I had no idea what I was talking about and that I should give him the benefit of the doubt.

So, I will revote:Masket since apparently other people are in agreement with me...

Well it appears this is a bit of a contradiction of what appears in the game.

Anarkistsdream wrote:

strike wolf wrote:
Anark: I think we have fundamental differences in how we play. Expressing multiple cases can be good. You can stop a bad case and you get a more rounded view of the players in the game.

The masket case is interesting. The soft claim is oddly timed but usually scum have more information than town at the beginning of the game so a slip like this from scum is even more odd. Possible lone scum?

As usual, you nailed that. That makes so much sense to me...

Unvote: Masket

This would make it sound like your change of heart was because of my comment. Even if not I feel that you seem a bit overly worried about others thoughts in this game regarding yourself. Unvoting and revoting based on how others react doesn't feel like the Nark I remember though I admit my meta on you is very rusty.

Nark wrote:However, scum usually tries to be as helpful as possible day one.... So while I love the feedback some of you guys have given, I have to be worried that one of you is scum... (By you, I mean DoomYoshi and Marashu and you, Strike)

Funny that you mention being helpful as a scum tactic. I dont disagree. Empty help is is a fairly common scum tactic. I can see possible evidence of this with you as a lot of your post content could be considered that with set up talk and suggestions about activity level.

The rest of this paragraph is going back into trying not to upset people too much. You kind of buddied up to a few people here (myself included) and have continued to do so at least with me.

Combined with the possible slip mentioned, I am up for upping the pressure.

[B]Unvote Vote Nark

Hey look! People that post MAYBE once per day want me out of the game for a phone typo! There is a shock... When you post once every three or four days, I guess it makes it easy to see people's votes and unvotes as scummy. Maybe you should contribute more to the damn game. Lame...

dakky21 wrote:Call me stupid but I don't understand what the slip of Anark is... that bolded part... anyone care to explain?

The fact that he said "We" when referring to scum

Vote count (FIXED):

spurgistan (1) - Tim

kwanton (1) - kwanton

Strike wolf (1) - spurgistan

dakky (1) - Samlen,

Samlen (1) - Talapus

Tim (3) - Exile, new guy, Wing

Fircoal (1) - Skoffin

Serbia (1) - dakky

Anark (3) - BuJaber, Hotshot, Strike

Wing (2) - Ragian, TWO

Minister Masket (5) - madmitch, Fircoal, Yoshi, Serbia, Anark

legionnare (1) - Nagerous

26 alive, 14 to lynch

When I first posted this, I missed the fact that there is a whole new page

IMPORTANT PLEASE READ (not spam this time )

Anarkistsdream wrote:Mandy, I know you are giving people 3 RL days to post... Can we change that to 2 days? I really don't want this game lasting until March, because the majority of people will lose interest... It seems a number of people already have.

Thank you for the suggestion and thanks to other people who have sent me PMs to warn me about the people who aren't posting. Before I give you my take on this, I would like to ask all the players to PM me their opinion on the subject (so as to not clutter the thread):

Firstly, from the perspective of the Golden Age of CC mafia (back when dinosaurs roamed the Earth ) you are correct that this game is not very active. Back then, new posts were comming in almost all the time as many among us had been spending hours on the Forum waiting for other players to repond to their posts and then instantly responding to them.
Today, sadly, many of you went and grew up , so you don't have time to do this any more. Then there is also the fact that the posting so far has predominantly been of the long, thought out variaty - which requires careful reading before reponding and which means that a serious player has to set aside a bigger chunk of time for each response and, because of all the "growing up" bussiness, they have less time. In fact, many players, especially among those whos sleaves I pulled to asked them to join, were upfont with the fact that they won't be able to post very frequantly.

The other concern is that our bench is kind of short right now. We have just two players that I'm familliar with and who are willing to sub. Since subbing is a permanent sort of deal, especially since it is going to be very hard to reuse existing players after they die, since many of them will come by at least some exclusive information in a few Nights and thus unsutable for subbing.

Idealy, I absolutely agree with you that anyone who decided to play should be expected to find the time to actually participate at least 4 days per week and, if you perspective is shared by the majority of active players, I would be happy to change the prodding policy in the way that you described.

I would much appriciate if you guys PM me me on this matter. If you are time-challanged, just give me a simple 'yay' or 'nay' (and make it clear enough for my simple mind what exactly you are yaying or naying )


P.S. Since there is 26 of you so it's hard for me to notice when one of you drops of. If you notice someone submarrining, please PM me "x hasn't posted in y days." and I'll prod them. Thanks in advance.

P.P.S. For all you busy people, please make an effort to write at least a short post every day or so. I know it's a lot to ask, but *goes on a inspiring half houre speach, mostly rehashing J.F.K. and Churchill * so please try.

The Nark "slip" is a bad case and anyone pushing it should feel bad. I strongly suspect that out of sw, BuJaber and HotShot one or more are scum for pushing something so outrageously bad. I am not really sure which I want to vote for. I will vote strike wolf purely because out of the three of them he already has a vote and so that slightly breaks the tie in the direction of having a wagon happen.

BuJaber wrote:

dakky21 wrote:On the other hand, mitch asking questions which can't be answered yet is something completely different.

Exactly -- I noticed that. Too many questions for day 1... too few answers/theories provided by him. Reads like a post of someone trying to appear productive.


Also this slip up is almost too good to be true... but I can't ignore it so Unvote Vote Anarkist:

Anarkistsdream wrote:I also notice that , out of 26 people, we do not have many people who are even posting once a day... If they are town, they are just screwing the rest of us. If they are scum, we are far too easily slipping under the radar...

This isn't really a scum slip, man. Pronouns are hard. I guess we're out of the timeframe for leaving dumb votes on peopleunvote vote BuJaber for one of the stretchiest cases (I can't think of how to make that make sense; it's a huge stretch? I feel like I forgot how to English)

a short post

So I think it's fair to assume based on the intro that there are at least 3 factions; Scum (Team Rocket), Town (Trainer) and 3rd party (Pokemans). Also based on the intro I would surmise that the scum win condition is just the traditional method of being the largest faction left, whereas town win is not so simple.

mandalorian2298 wrote:The last one of them to survive will be crowned the Champion.

This obviously means that each "Townie" trainer and pokemon are being set against each other and scum in order to win. With this in mind we should be treating this as any normal game until scum are dealt with, meaning that slips like Masket's should be noted but not voted on as to lynch Masket if he is a Trainer would only serve scum even if it is in another Trainers interest to eliminate a rival.

Yes it is possible that he slipped a town role in order to not appear as scum but having no idea how experienced Masket is in order to judge whether the slip was due to inexperience or clever ploy I am going to go with my gut and treat it as an innocent slip to be noted for the future.

More to come as I catch up.

FP'd by madmitch

@Wing, care to qualify your case on Tim? I'm not seeing anything particularly scummy.

FP'd by Skoffin

Mostly done with reading but the topic that sticks out for me at the moment is the Minister Masket slipping a trainer role claim, on one hand he's lying trying to seem townie but on the other he's genuinely f****d up. Either way I think there should be some focus on those that are voting on Masket, there may be scum in there looking for an easy lynch or it could all be "Townies" looking to take out a rival.
Those players are:

madmitch,
Fircoal,
Yoshi,
Serbia,
Anark

madmitch for me seems the scummiest out of this group (sure anark put "we" in his post but as others have said this is a slim case) mostly for this post:

madmitch wrote:Okay guys and gals the only thing I know about Pokemon is what I see on netflicks, I have been reading about them in wiki and am starting to make some sense of it all. So what I got so far from all the posts that we are in Indigo league which is Gen. 1 and the bad guys are Team Rocket , am I correct ? If so why would anyone bring up team rocket when we all know they are scum? was it a slip or are they as mentioned before looking for town cred? H ow many teams are there? As someone else asked are the trainers fighting against other trainers? How many trainers are there? and are there pokemons without trainers? These questions must be answered before we get a good sense who to go after. Can someone answer any of these questions?

In general it seems to be mostly a case of trying to fish for some information, especially the section I have put in bold. As for the most part the layout of the game was both agreed in general before this post and for the most part doesn't really matter as the goal is the same in any game; find the mafia.

unvote as legionnare has now commented.

vote madmitch for your very limited contribution which has also been scummy with the multiple useless questions

I've previously mentioned that Anark's early aggression against wing seemed scummy to me. I didn't see a reason to write every tiny red flag about him. In fact, had I done that THAT would have been me overly pushing a weakish case.
Plus, Anark got the attention of a few players early. I know that a typo is possible that's why I said it seems too good to be true. And I didn't push anything. It's a weak case, but in my eyes it's still on par with the case on masket or tim or dakky, or my earlier case on skittles, if not slightly better. Besides -- not all typos are the same. He clearly didn't try to type "they", the letters are completely different. He either thought of the wrong pronoun by mistake, in which case I can't see why he couldn't have noticed it by proofreading and edited before or even after posting it by WOP; OR he typed "we" because he was thinking "we" in his mind and so didn't immediately catch the error.
Also focusing on a player early on does not necessary mean you're 100% convinced their scum, there is a lot to be gained from sparking up a debate/new posts. I clearly achieved that.

Anark is claiming he posted it on the phone, which I admit makes the mistake more plausible because proofreading is harder, but sometimes you have to trust your gut even when the evidence is minimal.

The mitch case might be the best one we have so far, particularly following his post full of questions. But mitch has traditionally been an "easy" target and one that I've often mistaken as scum just because of how he posts/thinks. Though his latest "quality" post of 3 words is seriously scummy. Just because the players and the mod are asking people to post more doesn't mean you should if you have nothing to say. No post is better than a useless post.

Wing has gotten quieter... what's up with that?

Anark it feels like of the people currently with a vote on you, strike and I are 2 of the most active in this game (which is rather pathetic, considering how little we actually posted), with hotshot posting about the average. There are so many others who could be accused of scummarining.

FP'd by nagerous -- I didn't even realize you were in the game because you started off so quiet, but I am liking your contribution more and more with each post.