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Re: Top 10 Clans of All Time
Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:35 am
by benga
Re: Top 10 Clans of All Time
Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:18 am
by Donelladan
lol benga.
@IcePack, I won't engage in this discussion, shouldn't have in the first place. Lot of factor will influence who win a war at any given time, we've both beaten each other, and next time we have to face each other I wouldn't bet money on who win the war.
We'll see if we even face each other during the CC, won't happen before the finale and we've both got serious contender to beat first.
My personal goal at this point would be to beat TOFU because that's the only clan we didn't beat yet. So I hope you lose against them next round

Re: Top 10 Clans of All Time
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:09 am
by ElricTheGreat
ZaBeast wrote:yes the points would come in bursts but you could still have a good idea if a clan has been competitive over a long period or if all their points were slumped together.
Another way would be to give the score as a fraction (xx points/xx potential points) but I think that train has left the station because that would mean going over again to see who took part in the events.
Might consider a flat negative point value to Clans that skipped events ... that would be a proper counter to adding points for amount of time at a certain overall ranking ... by skipping events it keeps them at an inflated rank due to reducing total game count as well as individual team membership participation
It would also punish the clans that cherry pick the events they decide to take part in for fear of losing their fancy Wings and Hats etc, over the risk of the random losses to lower teams/players
Re: Top 10 Clans of All Time
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:22 am
by Donelladan
ElricTheGreat wrote:Might consider a flat negative point value to Clans that skipped events ... that would be a proper counter to adding points for amount of time at a certain overall ranking ... by skipping events it keeps them at an inflated rank due to reducing total game count as well as individual team membership participation
It would also punish the clans that cherry pick the events they decide to take part in for fear of losing their fancy Wings and Hats etc, over the risk of the random losses to lower teams/players
Well in IcePack ranking skipping event only have negative effect on your ranking, so I assume you're talking the D400 ranking.
FYI skipping events doesn't keep clan to an inflated rank due to a low game count.
Low game count means only that each win and each victory will have a higher influence on their ranking.
Btw if you look at current clan raking, LHDD and FOED, number 1 and 2, have a higher weight ( = number of game players X decay) than clan 3,4,5 and 6.
Clans cherry-pick events based on the interest of their member for a given competition, not because of the fear of losing to lower teams. I don't who you're targeting with your comment, but I think you are pretty wrong, whoever you're talking about.
Re: Top 10 Clans of All Time
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:59 pm
by IcePack
There is no negative in the iScore for missing events (only missing out on potential additional points).
Re: Top 10 Clans of All Time
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:44 pm
by ElricTheGreat
I know that there are no ranking on the site that accounts for NOT joining an event.
I came up with the idea to take into account how top tier Clans might have skipped out on certain events out of fear of losing to 2nd tier clans and ranking points
Re: Top 10 Clans of All Time
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:59 pm
by rockfist
I’ll speak from my experience here. TOFU has joined events based on our number of players who have interest in playing those events and number of active players we have at those times. We do want to be competitive in anything we’ve joined but fear of losing isn’t part of that calculation. If it was we would not enter cup because that is the most difficult event (no clan that hasn’t held the No 1 ranking has ever won cup).
I’m not in LHDD, or S&M, or any of the other clans that have been top 3-5...nor have I ever been, but I don’t think fear of losing is something they use to determine participation either.
Re: Top 10 Clans of All Time
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:08 pm
by Swimmerdude99
I've not been in Tofu or S&M, but EMP, ACE and FALL never worried about that either. Granted any time at the top was relatively short-lived (except for FALL's) but I don't even think I was there for that.... I think they dropped rank after I joined...

Re: Top 10 Clans of All Time
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:31 am
by IcePack
ElricTheGreat wrote:I know that there are no ranking on the site that accounts for NOT joining an event.
I came up with the idea to take into account how top tier Clans might have skipped out on certain events out of fear of losing to 2nd tier clans and ranking points
Yeah I was just clarifying, Don’s comments the way I read them implied my ranking took missed events into consideration already which it didn’t
Re: Top 10 Clans of All Time
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:01 am
by Donelladan
IcePack wrote:ElricTheGreat wrote:I know that there are no ranking on the site that accounts for NOT joining an event.
I came up with the idea to take into account how top tier Clans might have skipped out on certain events out of fear of losing to 2nd tier clans and ranking points
Yeah I was just clarifying, Don’s comments the way I read them implied my ranking took missed events into consideration already which it didn’t
Well I said your ranking only have negative effect for not joining. I see the mistake.
I should have said, your ranking only have positive effect for joining ( you can only win points, can't lose some) , therefore, there is no point in skipping an event in your ranking.
Just to clarify.
Re: Top 10 Clans of All Time
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:37 am
by betiko
Do you really think anyone cared about the CL a few month ago while we were in the CC final and our full focus on trying to flip the tortilla while we were over 10 games behind FOED? Not to mention we won the random league during that time frame... and that after the CC win we were not really focused on the league, we are back at it since about a month.. but we had a time period where the league was the third clan priority late 2019
Either way, 16 games skirmishes can finish very rzndomly
Re: Top 10 Clans of All Time
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:45 am
by IcePack
betiko wrote:Do you really think anyone cared about the CL a few month ago while we were in the CC final and our full focus on trying to flip the tortilla while we were over 10 games behind FOED? Not to mention we won the random league during that time frame... and that after the CC win we were not really focused on the league, we are back at it since about a month.. but we had a time period where the league was the third clan priority late 2019
Either way, 16 games skirmishes can finish very rzndomly
Whether you cared about it or not is impossible for me to prove. But my point is, you use XYZ head to head results from the past as proof you’re better. I use ABC to recent results to show thats not the case (in theory).
You provide excuse as to why ABC isn’t relevant and should be ignored. Then opens the opportunity for XYZ to be excused. Soon, everything excused away. Now what do we have left and why did we use it as the measuring stick? lol
Results are results regardless of the circumstances imo, I make no excuses for past wars or league results. Regardless of what other focuses or activities are ongoing. That’s why I wanted to see this scoring, to see results over time with all events. This doesn’t discriminate if you wanna cherry pick one event and win it or try them all and lose focus. What was the end results is all that’s cared about
Re: Top 10 Clans of All Time
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:47 pm
by MTIceman41
Icepack has the better name so he is obviously correct.
Appreciate the committed players and clans that make this discussion so amazing...lots of time on my hands with what’s going on in the world...gyms just are not the place to be
Re-reading this thread and old clan cup battle threads are just gold!
Re: Top 10 Clans of All Time
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:00 pm
by IcePack
Gotta kill time somehow

Re: Top 10 Clans of All Time
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:09 pm
by rockfist
If I owned a gym and it was closed to the public...that would be a recipe for rhabdo...but thankfully I do not...but I may have rhabdo when I return to the gym...I've known for years I should've got serious about having a home gym...but the shipping costs were always killer.
Re: Top 10 Clans of All Time
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:18 pm
by MTIceman41
rockfist wrote:If I owned a gym and it was closed to the public...that would be a recipe for rhabdo...but thankfully I do not...but I may have rhabdo when I return to the gym...I've known for years I should've got serious about having a home gym...but the shipping costs were always killer.
Ya 100k easy getting it...
Alphabetical order
Fall
S&M
Tofu
Next...lhdd close...could change...it’s my bday so having some Napa wine and Italian salami
Keeping strategists, leaders, crazies is good for the site...will revisit in a few years

Re: Top 10 Clans of All Time
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:20 pm
by General Mojo
trapyoung wrote:Any list that doesn't include the Double Rainbow Society as 1a or 1b is de facto wrong.
Fucking A right.
Re: Top 10 Clans of All Time
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:59 pm
by betiko
IcePack wrote:Gotta kill time somehow

Last time i checked you guys were very close from winning the league this year... in that case you guys would retake posession of the #3 spot we've held the last few month by my own standards

Re: Top 10 Clans of All Time
Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:44 pm
by IcePack
betiko wrote:IcePack wrote:Gotta kill time somehow

Last time i checked you guys were very close from winning the league this year... in that case you guys would retake posession of the #3 spot we've held the last few month by my own standards

Sounds that way from what I've heard, 2nd Clan that would have ever won back to back.
Re: Top 10 Clans of All Time
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:39 pm
by cutebastard71
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Re: Top 10 Clans of All Time
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:05 pm
by HardAttack
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Re: Top 10 Clans of All Time
Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 5:09 pm
by IcePack
Updated since March:
Rank Points Clans
1 133 S&M / KORT
2 107 TOFU
3 99 FALL
4 90 FOED
5 86 LHDD
6 60 OSA
7 48 LOW
8 33.5 ACE
9 22 IA
10 20 THOTA
The top 3-5th positions has tightened up considerably this year.
IcePack wrote:
This hasn't been debated, updated or posted about in awhile, so figured I would mess around with a bit of a ranking system :ugeek:
[url=https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1v31QeOBuAVN5x_gs4h-rtYEaFFdqlqzMnr5yS8yvNiE/edit?usp=sharing]IcePack's Clan Scores[/url] [Note the several different tabs]
iScores...? Maybe, idk :-s
Anyway I did a rough estimate of each event based on perceived difficulty, avg number of entrants, general level of competition, luck influence etc and gave that a point value for placements. Then, I created a chart of all clan events and assigned those points to each clan. There were a few exceptions to the "score breakdown" per events, mainly based on lack of information now, or some were slightly unique and didn't follow their regular format so I gave Top 3 instead of Top 4, etc.
Also note: CL2, CL3, CL4, RL2, and the Clan League Trophy Event have not been fully scored beyond the top 2 / finishers listed on the Clan Event Trophy thread....So there could be minor changes in different clan scores. This was because lack of information / accessibility of information in the old threads and ran out of time to reproduce my own charts of the full Top 5's etc.
Then I just created a new tab, sorted the points into a ranking of sorts and therefore, here is "my" new Top 10 (IDK if I even agree with it, just thought it was an interesting excersize)
Rank Points Clans
1 121 S&M / KORT
2 99 TOFU
3 85 FALL
4 81 FOED
5 68 LHDD
6 59 OSA
7 46 LOW
8 33.5 ACE
9 22 IA
10 20 THOTA
Note: There are 52 clans that have min 1 point (out of 118 clans), so I was going to show the rest of the Top 50 but here is the rest of the Top 52:
11 20 TOP
12 19 AFOS
13 18 TSM
14 18 PACK
15 17 ATL
16 17 EMP
17 16 ID
18 15 AOC
19 14 MD
20 10 RET
21 9 BotFM
22 8.5 PIG
23 8 DYN
24 7.5 TNC
25 7 SOH
26 6 RA
27 6 VNM / HH
28 6 ATN
29 6 BPB
30 5 OLE / LEG
31 4 GR
32 4 MYTH
33 4 OTP
34 3 GON
35 3 NEM
36 3 TFFS
37 2 KNT
38 2 ASC
39 2 AQOH
40 2 MM
41 1.5 VVV
42 1 VDLL
43 1 LOTZ
44 1 DBD
45 1 1RFG
46 1 AKA
47 1 FSC
48 1 IGNI
49 1 KOA
50 1 RGV
51 1 SC
52 1 UM8
Re: Top 10 Clans of All Time
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:33 pm
by John Deere
It's been a while. A divorce and almost loosing my business took me away. The hate for The Pack is still alive

The Pack was a great clan. We had the best(?) win record to date at that time. We where turned down by other clans for challenges. Those where good times. Glad to see some familiar name here. I wouldn't doubt if we still had one of the best win records. Hate on..

Re: Top 10 Clans of All Time
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:09 pm
by MTIceman41
John Deere wrote:It's been a while. A divorce and almost loosing my business took me away. The hate for The Pack is still alive

The Pack was a great clan. We had the best(?) win record to date at that time. We where turned down by other clans for challenges. Those where good times. Glad to see some familiar name here. I wouldn't doubt if we still had one of the best win records. Hate on..

Ya you would get crushed buy many clans...like the kinda cute girl saying well the best and cutest guys didn’t ask me out probably because I was too pretty...or maybe you were kinda average and they found better...anyways happy holidays

Re: Top 10 Clans of All Time
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:15 pm
by John Deere
MTIceman41 wrote:John Deere wrote:It's been a while. A divorce and almost loosing my business took me away. The hate for The Pack is still alive

The Pack was a great clan. We had the best(?) win record to date at that time. We where turned down by other clans for challenges. Those where good times. Glad to see some familiar name here. I wouldn't doubt if we still had one of the best win records. Hate on..

Ya you would get crushed buy many clans...like the kinda cute girl saying well the best and cutest guys didn’t ask me out probably because I was too pretty...or maybe you were kinda average and they found better...anyways happy holidays

Ah you're so cute. Don't remember you being in the clan scene back then. But I'm sure your mother respects your opinion. BTW this is why we weren't liked. We told it how it is.