Conquer Club

spiesr wrote:An explanation for my actions regarding Jonty on Day 2. My role is also Cop. That is why I was so intent on asking Jonty about his sanity. My Night 1 investigation was stubbsKVM and I got a guilty result. Unfortunately I was out of town Night 2 and didn't get my action in so that is all the data I have right now.
Since Jonty was correct on Betiko yesterday I am going to assume that he is sane and I am not. As such I now trust his result on stubbsKVM over my own.
I will post some more useful analysis tomorrow morning.

Djfireside wrote:Wow I get caught up over the weekend and things go to hell.

First off...

spiesr wrote:An explanation for my actions regarding Jonty on Day 2. My role is also Cop. That is why I was so intent on asking Jonty about his sanity. My Night 1 investigation was stubbsKVM and I got a guilty result. Unfortunately I was out of town Night 2 and didn't get my action in so that is all the data I have right now.
Since Jonty was correct on Betiko yesterday I am going to assume that he is sane and I am not. As such I now trust his result on stubbsKVM over my own.
I will post some more useful analysis tomorrow morning.

And I will denote this, You say you are a COP, WHO ARE YOU. Dont throw out one part and lead away from it. I read 4 more posts afterwards and each time someone asked so I think you are avoiding it.


As for Comrade, I have been watching him since the beginning and would like to hear the claim to put more pieces together.

At this point I will wait on comrade to respond to pressure but cant bypass spies on this and will change my vote if necessary but spies has earned this for hardcore avoidance

VOTE SPIESR

spiesr wrote:

new guy1 wrote:Not all hope is dead, you may see the opposite results rather than the correct one... Or you may just be insane or whatever and see everyone as guilty.

Right, I could either be paranoid (useless) or insane (potentially useful if known). The problem is that I need to have an investigation come up innocent before I can know which it is, and since I missed Night 2 I only have one result so far.
Character is Detective Thomas "Herk" Hauk, for those who know more about the source and might be able to guess my sanity based on flavor.

skillfusniper33 wrote:

spiesr wrote:

new guy1 wrote:Not all hope is dead, you may see the opposite results rather than the correct one... Or you may just be insane or whatever and see everyone as guilty.

Right, I could either be paranoid (useless) or insane (potentially useful if known). The problem is that I need to have an investigation come up innocent before I can know which it is, and since I missed Night 2 I only have one result so far.
Character is Detective Thomas "Herk" Hauk, for those who know more about the source and might be able to guess my sanity based on flavor.

Well after doing a bit of research I personally don't feel like Herk is a cop role in this game. He would fit better as a roleblocker/Body guard from the description I found on him. If I were to make an assumption about the character and believe you Spiesr, I would think he would be an Insane cop.

[spoiler=my research results]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herc

Herc and Ellis Carver typically worked as a pair in Narcotics, and both are intimidated by Kima Greggs' ability and annoyed at her superior attitude towards them. All three join the Barksdale detail headed by their shift Lieutenant Cedric Daniels. Herc and Carver get into trouble early on in the investigation when, along with Detective Roland "Prez" Pryzbylewski, they drunkenly charge into a Barksdale-controlled housing project and harass a group of youths. While there, Prez pistol whips one of the youths, blinding him in one eye and nearly inciting a riot. Herc is slightly injured during the incident when residents begin throwing bottles and firing at the officers, but returns early from his sick leave to take part in raids on Barksdale's operation.

When young dealer Bodie Broadus punches detective Patrick Mahone during a raid, Herc, Carver and Greggs punish him with a beating. When Bodie later escapes from a juvenile detention center, Herc and Carver pursue and rearrest him; finding that he remains defiant they give him another beating. Even so, the three play pool together when they find themselves having to wait hours to hand Bodie over. Herc's character is also humanized somewhat when, in a failed attempt to arrest Bodie at his grandmother's house, he apologizes to her for his rough language and listens politely as she discusses Bodie's troubled past.

When Herc and Carver intercept the Barksdale crew's profits for a day by tailing Wee-Bey Brice, Herc considers keeping some of the money, but Carver realizes that figures mentioned on the wiretap might leave them exposed. Some of the money still goes missing when the bag rips in their trunk. After Lieutenant Daniels confronts them about the missing money, Carver begins to suspect Herc has stolen it, until it is found in the spare-wheel well of the car. This also gets both of them on the wrong side of Daniels, who assumes they simply stole and then returned the money. Later, while raiding a drug stash in Pimlico, Herc and Carver do steal money for themselves.[1]

With little study, Herc takes and passes the sergeant's exam, placing 18 on the list of ranked, passing officers. After celebrating he finds out that he will not in fact be promoted, likely because of past brutality allegations (none of which are confirmed, but all of which are true). Carver, however, who ranks 37, is promoted to Sergeant after acting as a spy in the detail on behalf of Deputy Commissioner Ervin Burrell.[/spoiler]
I would like someone to verify that the research is a fairly correct assessment of Herk. I don't trust Wikipedia half the time.

Vote Comrade With it being fairly soon before the day ends I think we aught to get a claim, and we can't have people skimming through the posts and missing half the info.

new guy1 wrote:Comrade Kirk, the quotes that ghostly quoted are in order of appearance. Dj posted the post prior to ghostly. Ghostly is correct right now and your case isnt making any sense. Also, I posted it as a suggestion, for speculation. I already answered it in my post so you're either skimming my posts or you are choosing to ignore what I say and repeating questions that have already been answered. Either way, I dont like it, so I will Vote Comrade Kirk for holding the game up and overall pushing a pointless case which has been proven wrong time and time again.

spiesr wrote:

new guy1 wrote:Comrade Kirk, the quotes that ghostly quoted are in order of appearance. Dj posted the post prior to ghostly. Ghostly is correct right now and your case isnt making any sense. Also, I posted it as a suggestion, for speculation. I already answered it in my post so you're either skimming my posts or you are choosing to ignore what I say and repeating questions that have already been answered. Either way, I dont like it, so I will Vote Comrade Kirk for holding the game up and overall pushing a pointless case which has been proven wrong time and time again.

I feel that this is at the very least an overestimate of the situation. Saying that the case "has been proven wrong" repeatedly goes well beyond what can be established from the information we have so far. You can say that the case is very good or that ghostly has addressed it in a way that satisfies you or that some details were incorrect, but the idea that ghostly may have wanted to try to weaken the evidence against Betiko can't be proven one way or the other at this time. Unless of course you have some info not publicly available. Anyhow FOS Newguy & ghostly, should one flip scum at some point I would strongly suggest looking at the other.

Comrade Kirk wrote:I was convinced that I had caught on to something and, despite rereading posts several times, I was too stubborn to see the evidence which was right in front of me. While it was just ghostly pointing out my mistake, I ignored the obvious but as soon as someone else pointed out the same thing I realised that I might actually have made a mistake. I've wasted half of a day phase and made myself look like an idiot, but nothing I have done is scummy. I made a mistake and persisted with it for too long, but that is all I did. I understand that you guys want me to claim, but I never roleclaim and I'm not about to start in this game (mafia safe claims make roleclaiming fairly pointless and just telling everyone who you are kind of defeats the purpose of the game). If my refual to claim convinces you to lynch me, I suggest you say so without voting for me. I will use my role on New Guy during the night phase and you will find out the truth about two of us instead of taking out a (confused) town player and still being in the dark about the PGO. If New Guy is telling the truth, I will be dead tomorrow and his role will be confirmed. If he is lying, his lie will be revealed in the write-up and you will know everything you need to know about me.

StubbsKVM wrote:That's a really crappy excuse not to claim.

Is Kirk at L-1 now?

Intent to hammer.

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StubbsKVM wrote:Would anyone agree that there is probably a Mafia Rolecop?

Jonty pretty much cleared me yesterday, but they still decided to kill Saf, the busdriver, instead of me.

I honestly didn't think I would be around today.

lynx_ wrote:Is superkeener ghostly? Was he replaced or is that a mod mistake?

spiesr wrote:Okay, so my results for last Night are: skillfusniper33 (Guilty)
Accordingly I can make no further determinations about my sanity.

Djfireside wrote:

spiesr wrote:Okay, so my results for last Night are: skillfusniper33 (Guilty)
Accordingly I can make no further determinations about my sanity.

Spies, why wouldnt you check against someone who you thought was town. Plus your other investigation does have a second lead against it so you should have some idea. I believe your charecter should be in the game but Im starting to have swayed thoughts.