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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:36 am
by DiM
Robinette wrote:DiM wrote:Robinette wrote:DiM wrote:Robinette wrote:Just take your current score and deduct 3 points for every team game...
why deduct 3 points for every team game?
3rd (present day) we now deduct 3 points for each team game (perfect, NO it's not... it's plenty screwed up... but because ConquerClub does not care to have a scoring system that allows the singles players to see this kind of info, it's all we got) Once again, to really understand how flawed the 1st & 2nd systems were, just read through this thread.
could you at least point the page range cause 20 pages take a lot to check.
the reason i don't understand why you need to deduct 3 points from each game is because for example i played 31 doubles games and had a net
loss of 90 points. so not only i lost 90 points but now i get another 93 deducted.
the point is if a guy plays 95 singles games and reaches a score of 2000 and then he plays 5 team games loses all of them for a total of 100 points. he gets a net score of 1900.
so his score would be 2000 singles only and 1900 mixed.
by your calculations it won't be 2000 for singles in fact it would be 1885 which is totally wrong.
i keep an updated xml sheet of my score for all types of games for number of players and so on. overall from team games i have a profit of just 24 points. i agree that for example the points gained 50 games ago in a team game affect my points gained now in a singles game. but since they affect both the loss and the gain i don't see it as a problem especially since my net profit was just 24 points. so that would make absolutely no difference or at least a minor difference of a few points up or down.
What you describe is the way we 1st started this list in the beginning... There really were some major flaws and i am too tired right now to do the searching for you... But let me just say that if you have a better way that does not require tons of effort then i am all for it...
PS- in the example above you would have 1985 points, not 1885.
k i'll look in the thread and see and btw it's 1885.
do the math. a guy plays 95 singles and gets to 2000 points. then he plays 5 doubles and loses 100 points. his score drops to 1900 then when he is added to the list 15 points (3 for each team game) are deducted from his current score (1900) thus giving him 1885.
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:31 am
by Blanor
I haven't gotten in to the team games much yet. In my five weeks in CC, I've played one triples (won) and one doubles (lost), so minus those 6 points my score right now is 2344.
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:34 am
by nagerous
your scores increased quickly
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:02 am
by Robinette
opps... sorry DiM... your #'s are correct... I read it as having a 2000 score.
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:03 am
by Robinette
Robinette wrote:UPDATED... added rabbiton
UPDATED... added Blanor
**************************************************
Sept 23, 2007
A NEW way to list the
Top 10 Highest Singles Players Scores
(without team points*)
*What has changed is that ALL players are eligible...
Any WIN %, Any SINGLES %, Any TEAM %...
Just take your current score and deduct 3 points for every team game...
If you still have over 2000 then post it here with the details...
Here is what I've got so far:
....................... current score ...... current ....... highest ..... current.......
.......................... adjusted ............ score........... score ....... overall......
...................... for team games .......................... ever ........ ranking.....
1. maniacmath. . . . 2873. . . . . . . . 3167. . . . . . .3514 . . . . . #9 . . . . 980/98/294
2. Point Guard . . . . 2809 . . . . . . . .2818 . . . . . . 2818 . . . . . #19 . . . 193/3/9
3. Lazaruslong . . . .2796 . . . . . . . .2943 . . . . . . 3267 . . . . . #14 . . . .536/49/147
4. rabbiton. . . . . . . 2657 . . . . . . . .2657 . . . . . . 2657?. . . . . #33 . . . 328/0/0
5. comic boy . . . . . 2636 . . . . . . . .3626 . . . . . . 3626 . . . . . #3 . . . . 933/330/990
6. ZawBanjito. . . . . 2514 . . . . . . . .2640. . . . . . .2930 . . . . . #37 . . . 466/42/126
7. Kid_A . . . . . . . . . 2445 . . . . . . . .2625 . . . . . . 2625 . . . . . #39 . . . .778/60/180
8. Robinette. . . . . . 2410 . . . . . . . . 2497 . . . . . . 3021 . . . . . #59 . . . 327/29/87
9. RL_Orange . . . . 2404 . . . . . . . . 2551 . . . . . . 3168 . . . . . #49 . . . 1825/49/147
10. Blanor . . . . . . . 2344 . . . . . . . . 2350 . . . . . . 2350?. . . . .#105 . . . 60/2/6
Last 3 numbers on the right = Total games / Team games / Point adjustment
These players fell short, but we will keep their info ready to use later:
Cyberdaniel . . .2323 . . . . . . . . 2446 . . . . . . 3145 . . . . . #70 . . . 720/41/123
sully800 . . . . . 2218 . . . . . . . . 2236 . . . . . . 2650 . . . . . #141 . . 260/6/18
DiM . . . . . . . . . .2104 . . . . . . . .2239 . . . . . . ???? . . . . . #138 . . . 227/45/135
artur1 . . . . . . . .2052. . . . . . . . .2184 . . . . . . 2713 . . . . . #172 . . 285/44/132
Scott-Land . . . . 2018 . . . . . . . .2246 . . . . . . 2551 . . . . #132 . . . 941/76/228
Nuke. . . . . . . . . .1916 . . . . . . . .1949 . . . . . . 3160 . . . . . #383 . . . 546/11/33
negoeien . . . . . . 1914 . . . . . . . .2058 . . . . . . ???? . . . . . #254 . . . 489/48/144
steve monkey . . .1910 . . . . . . . .1985 . . . . . . 2820 . . . . . #341 . . . 1173/25/75
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:23 am
by Blitzaholic
Robinette wrote:Robinette wrote:UPDATED... added rabbiton
UPDATED... added Blanor
**************************************************
Sept 23, 2007
A NEW way to list the
Top 10 Highest Singles Players Scores
(without team points*)
*What has changed is that ALL players are eligible...
Any WIN %, Any SINGLES %, Any TEAM %...
Just take your current score and deduct 3 points for every team game...
If you still have over 2000 then post it here with the details...
Here is what I've got so far:
....................... current score ...... current ....... highest ..... current.......
.......................... adjusted ............ score........... score ....... overall......
...................... for team games .......................... ever ........ ranking.....
1. maniacmath. . . . 2873. . . . . . . . 3167. . . . . . .3514 . . . . . #9 . . . . 980/98/294
2. Point Guard . . . . 2809 . . . . . . . .2818 . . . . . . 2818 . . . . . #19 . . . 193/3/9
3. Lazaruslong . . . .2796 . . . . . . . .2943 . . . . . . 3267 . . . . . #14 . . . .536/49/147
4. rabbiton. . . . . . . 2657 . . . . . . . .2657 . . . . . . 2657?. . . . . #33 . . . 328/0/0
5. comic boy . . . . . 2636 . . . . . . . .3626 . . . . . . 3626 . . . . . #3 . . . . 933/330/990
6. ZawBanjito. . . . . 2514 . . . . . . . .2640. . . . . . .2930 . . . . . #37 . . . 466/42/126
7. Kid_A . . . . . . . . . 2445 . . . . . . . .2625 . . . . . . 2625 . . . . . #39 . . . .778/60/180
8. Robinette. . . . . . 2410 . . . . . . . . 2497 . . . . . . 3021 . . . . . #59 . . . 327/29/87
9. RL_Orange . . . . 2404 . . . . . . . . 2551 . . . . . . 3168 . . . . . #49 . . . 1825/49/147
10. Blanor . . . . . . . 2344 . . . . . . . . 2350 . . . . . . 2350?. . . . .#105 . . . 60/2/6
Last 3 numbers on the right = Total games / Team games / Point adjustment
These players fell short, but we will keep their info ready to use later:
Cyberdaniel . . .2323 . . . . . . . . 2446 . . . . . . 3145 . . . . . #70 . . . 720/41/123
sully800 . . . . . 2218 . . . . . . . . 2236 . . . . . . 2650 . . . . . #141 . . 260/6/18
DiM . . . . . . . . . .2104 . . . . . . . .2239 . . . . . . ???? . . . . . #138 . . . 227/45/135
artur1 . . . . . . . .2052. . . . . . . . .2184 . . . . . . 2713 . . . . . #172 . . 285/44/132
Scott-Land . . . . 2018 . . . . . . . .2246 . . . . . . 2551 . . . . #132 . . . 941/76/228
Nuke. . . . . . . . . .1916 . . . . . . . .1949 . . . . . . 3160 . . . . . #383 . . . 546/11/33
negoeien . . . . . . 1914 . . . . . . . .2058 . . . . . . ???? . . . . . #254 . . . 489/48/144
steve monkey . . .1910 . . . . . . . .1985 . . . . . . 2820 . . . . . #341 . . . 1173/25/75
again comic boy's highest score ever was 3675, perhaps you missed it in the last post i put in here. hope this helps robin, all else looks accurate
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:01 am
by DiM
Robinette wrote::oops: opps... sorry DiM... your #'s are correct... I read it as having a 2000 score.
no problem. also please put my score as 2256 and all time high 2297
Accuracy
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:55 am
by Jeffreyrothman
Robinette,
I love that you keep this list. It is overdue as an actual CC scoreboard.
I have an addition for you that should crack the top 5. I have mixed feelings about nominating him, due to a very unpleasant chat with him, but for the sake of accuracy, check out KLOBBER.
His score is around 2600 and I don't think that he plays team games at all.
Re: Accuracy
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:43 pm
by joecoolfrog
Jeffreyrothman wrote:Robinette,
I love that you keep this list. It is overdue as an actual CC scoreboard.
I have an addition for you that should crack the top 5. I have mixed feelings about nominating him, due to a very unpleasant chat with him, but for the sake of accuracy, check out KLOBBER.
His score is around 2600 and I don't think that he plays team games at all.
Trust me any list that rates rabbiton above comic boy as a singles player is deeply flawed, the old 40% system was a far better indicator of skill.
Re: Accuracy
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:56 pm
by rabbiton
joecoolfrog wrote:Trust me any list that rates rabbiton above comic boy as a singles player is deeply flawed, the old 40% system was a far better indicator of skill.
well, i've no idea where you get your info to make that specific comparison. i think i've played one game with you. also i play a lot of no cards and flat rate, in addition to escalating, so it wouldn't be that easy to compare us directly. i'm happy to play a bunch of games on all different settings and see if you'd like.
in any case, i do agree that the notion of subtracting points for team games is flawed, and in rating some people, perhaps deeply so.
for example, if you're holding a very high score, playing both singles and teams against people of the same rank, and consistently not losing points on average in either singles or teams, then you probably deserve around that score for both singles and teams. instead your "singles" score under this system will go down and down... 3000 points with 1000 team games = 0.
so, i agree, the under 40% system is probably better than this one.
Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:11 am
by joecoolfrog
Rabbiton
Forgive me if my post appeared to belittle you , clearly you are a good player and it was not my intention to put you down. I simply think its absurd that despite playing about 70% singles comic is penalised to such a huge degree under this system, of course being his father does make me ever so slightly biased
Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:29 pm
by redi5e
my brother deserves some recognition:
....................... current score ...... current ....... highest ....... current.......
.......................... adjusted ............ score........... score ....... overall......
...................... for team games .......................... ever ........ ranking.....
Naato . . . . . . . . . . 2394 . . . . . . . . 2625 . . . . . 2625?? . . . . . #37 . . . . . . 286/77/231
Re: Accuracy
Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 3:01 pm
by Robinette
joecoolfrog wrote:Jeffreyrothman wrote:Robinette,
I love that you keep this list. It is overdue as an actual CC scoreboard.
I have an addition for you that should crack the top 5. I have mixed feelings about nominating him, due to a very unpleasant chat with him, but for the sake of accuracy, check out KLOBBER.
His score is around 2600 and I don't think that he plays team games at all.
Trust me any list that rates rabbiton above comic boy as a singles player is deeply flawed, the old 40% system was a far better indicator of skill.
Thanks Jeffrey... he's been added... And a non-team scoreboard is indeed overdue... sadly, i don't think it will happen
And joe, i understand your bias... so you'll be especially pleased to see the change in todays update
Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 3:04 pm
by Robinette
redi5e wrote:my brother deserves some recognition:
....................... current score ...... current ....... highest ....... current.......
.......................... adjusted ............ score........... score ....... overall......
...................... for team games .......................... ever ........ ranking.....
Naato . . . . . . . . . . 2394 . . . . . . . . 2625 . . . . . 2625?? . . . . . #37 . . . . . . 286/77/231
Thanks redi5e... your brother has been added...
And might I tip my hat to you for providing the info in the same format...
It is appreciated.
Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 3:05 pm
by Robinette
UPDATED Oct. 6, 2007
A NEW way to list the
Top 10 Highest Singles Players Scores
(without team points*)
*What has changed is that ALL players are eligible...
Any WIN %, Any SINGLES %, Any TEAM %...
Just take your current score and deduct 3 points for every team game...
If you still have over 2000 then post it here with the details...
Here is what I've got so far:
....................... current score ...... current ....... highest ..... current.......
.......................... adjusted ............ score........... score ....... overall......
...................... for team games .......................... ever ........ ranking.....
maniacmath. . . . 3100. . . . . . . . 3394. . . . . . .3514 . . . . . #3 . . . . 992/98/294
mhennigan . . . . .2839 . . . . . . . .2887 . . . . . . 2887? . . . . .#13 . . . 122/16/48
Point Guard . . . . 2809 . . . . . . . .2818 . . . . . . 2818 . . . . . #20 . . . 193/3/9
comic boy . . . . . .2590 . . . . . . . .3586 . . . . . . 3675 . . . . . #2 . . . . 940/332/996
rabbiton. . . . . . . 2577 . . . . . . . .2577 . . . . . . 2657?. . . . . #45 . . . 334/0/0
Lazaruslong . . . .2498 . . . . . . . .2654 . . . . . . 3267 . . . . . #33 . . . .545/52/156
ZawBanjito. . . . . 2478 . . . . . . . .2604. . . . . . .2930 . . . . . #40 . . . 472/42/126
Naato . . . . . . . . .2476 . . . . . . . . 2728 . . . . . . 2728?. . . . .#26 . . . 295/84/252
Robinette. . . . . . 2428 . . . . . . . . 2515 . . . . . . 3021 . . . . . #55 . . . 330/29/87
subprime. . . . . . 2405 . . . . . . . . 2420 . . . . . . 2420? . . . . .#79 . . . 141/5/15
___________________________________________________________
And Close behind... all within 100 points of 10th place
MeDeFe . . . . . . 2394 . . . . . . . . 2415 . . . . . . 2415? . . . . .#80 . . . 203/7/21
DP07 . . . . . . . . 2390 . . . . . . . .2435 . . . . . . 2435? . . . . #76 . . . 271/15/45
RL_Orange . . . .2377 . . . . . . . .2533 . . . . . . 3168 . . . . . #50 . . . 1885/52/156
KLOBBER. . . . . .2376 . . . . . . . .2376 . . . . . . 2376? . . . . #90 . . . 466/0/0
uclap . . . . . . . . 2374 . . . . . . . .2383 . . . . . . 2383? . . . . #89 . . . 169/3/9
Blanor . . . . . . . 2344 . . . . . . . .2350 . . . . . . 2350?. . . . .#105 . . . 60/2/6
fireearth . . . . . 2326 . . . . . . . . 2356 . . . . . . 2356? . . . . #96 . . . 163/10/30
Kid_A . . . . . . . .2315 . . . . . . . . 2513 . . . . . . 2625 . . . . . #56 . . . .797/66/198
Cyberdaniel . . .2283 . . . . . . . . 2406 . . . . . . 3145 . . . . . #82 . . . 722/41/123
____________________________________________________________
Last 3 numbers on the right = Total games / Team games / Point adjustment
Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:22 pm
by qeee1
current score 2590 - (28x3) = 2506
Highest ever was 2680 or so.
Also in case you hadn't noticed I'm off for a while again guys, college is keeping me plenty busy, plus I've no internet connection where I live.
Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 5:35 pm
by Scott-Land
not sure how i got bumped from this list............
Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 6:00 pm
by joecoolfrog
Scott-Land wrote:not sure how i got bumped from this list............
If you deduct 3 points for every team game you have played then your score is probably below the threshhold,yep I know its weird
Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 6:07 pm
by Scott-Land
the previous update - i was deducted for 76 team games and of those games i won 3 points. i got 228 points deducted from my singles score using that system. anyway- i only asked because i was at 2578 yesterday. even with the deductions surely im not 100 points behind 10th place.
Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 6:43 pm
by joecoolfrog
Scott-Land wrote:the previous update - i was deducted for 76 team games and of those games i won 3 points. i got 228 points deducted from my singles score using that system. anyway- i only asked because i was at 2578 yesterday. even with the deductions surely im not 100 points behind 10th place.
You are right cut off would be currently 2294 and you are net 2350.
Thing is Robinette must take ages compiling these lists and at any moment a six player win can add 90 points to a score so its understandable if slight errors occur. In any case these tables are only guidelines, we all know who are consistently the top 3 or 4 singles players dont we
Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 7:02 pm
by Robinette
Scott-Land wrote:the previous update - i was deducted for 76 team games and of those games i won 3 points. i got 228 points deducted from my singles score using that system. anyway- i only asked because i was at 2578 yesterday. even with the deductions surely im not 100 points behind 10th place.
You are currently 151 points behind 10th...
A couple wins should put you back in...
next time please do the math and if you're in then post it like this
Scottland . . .2243 . . . . . . . . 2498 . . . . . . 2651 . . . . . #60 . . . 300/85/255
Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 7:09 pm
by rebelman
You are missing mhennigan, his/her current score is 2887 and (s)he has played just 16 team games of 122 completed games thus far all the rest were singles
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/profil ... le&u=39752
2887 - (16*3) = 2839 which puts him/her straight in at no. 2
mhennigan . . . . . . .2839 . . . . . . . . 2887 . . . . . . 2887? . . . . .#13 . . . 122/16/48
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:29 pm
by AAFitz
joecoolfrog wrote:Scott-Land wrote:the previous update - i was deducted for 76 team games and of those games i won 3 points. i got 228 points deducted from my singles score using that system. anyway- i only asked because i was at 2578 yesterday. even with the deductions surely im not 100 points behind 10th place.
You are right cut off would be currently 2294 and you are net 2350.
Thing is Robinette must take ages compiling these lists and at any moment a six player win can add 90 points to a score so its understandable if slight errors occur. In any case these tables are only guidelines, we all know who are consistently the top 3 or 4 singles players dont we
I thought your kid was supposed to be the funny one
Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:42 pm
by Robinette
rebelman wrote:You are missing mhennigan, his/her current score is 2887 and (s)he has played just 16 team games of 122 completed games thus far all the rest were singles
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/profil ... le&u=397522887 - (16*3) = 2839 which puts him/her straight in at no. 2
mhennigan . . . . . . .2839 . . . . . . . . 2887 . . . . . . 2887? . . . . .#13 . . . 122/16/48
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wow... 122 games... awsome score
ps- thanks for providing that info...
Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:52 pm
by Robinette
qeee1 wrote:current score 2590 - (28x3) = 2506
Highest ever was 2680 or so.
Also in case you hadn't noticed I'm off for a while again guys, college is keeping me plenty busy, plus I've no internet connection where I live.
Nice to hear from you qeee... hope you're surviving all that academia...
Being inactive means you're not on the scoreboard, so can't add you to this list...
But I know, and you know, and more than a few other people know... so it's all good...