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i-andrei wrote:I don't see the Atl v Icon war being taken into account. It finished on the 5th of December but wasn't included last month and neither this one.
This could also affect the Cc xi seeding..

CCXI uses December rankings for seeding so this won't have even an effect on that, will be interesting to see how it affects 7th through 10th.

Caymanmew wrote:

i-andrei wrote:I don't see the Atl v Icon war being taken into account. It finished on the 5th of December but wasn't included last month and neither this one.
This could also affect the Cc xi seeding..

CCXI uses December rankings for seeding so this won't have even an effect on that, will be interesting to see how it affects 7th through 10th.

Yeah well, the December rankings were posted on the 6th of December, and the war was marked as closed on the 5th, but i believe the last game ended about a week before...
I missed that at the time, so not sure how this would have affected it then.

On the 4th actually, so if December rankings take the games just up until the start of December then that would be ok.
Not sure how/when they are being calculated

i-andrei wrote:

Caymanmew wrote:

i-andrei wrote:I don't see the Atl v Icon war being taken into account. It finished on the 5th of December but wasn't included last month and neither this one.
This could also affect the Cc xi seeding..

CCXI uses December rankings for seeding so this won't have even an effect on that, will be interesting to see how it affects 7th through 10th.

Yeah well, the December rankings were posted on the 6th of December, and the war was marked as closed on the 5th, but i believe the last game ended about a week before...
I missed that at the time, so not sure how this would have affected it then.

On the 4th actually, so if December rankings take the games just up until the start of December then that would be ok.
Not sure how/when they are being calculated

The December ranking would count all finished wars up to 30th November.

Keefie wrote:

josko.ri wrote:I am excited to see January rankings which will count S&M's win over TOFU.

You must be ready to burst

I believe he just popped.

Fixed

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VNM LHDD 4 8 3 12 20 ATL ICON 22 27 4 12 20 A^ RET 13 3 5 12 20 LOW OSA 8 8 9 12 20 A^ ATL 9 7 11 12 20 TOFU S&M 27 34 12 12 20 FOED RET 11 5 15 12 20 TOFU LOW 12 4 15 12 20 ICON FALL 7 9 17 12 20 S&M ICON 9 7 18 12 20 TOFU BOB 14 2 21 12 20 FOED S&M 6 10 24 12 20 TOFU KNT 9 7 26 12 20 RET ICON 7 9 27 12 20 RET LOW 23 26 27 12 20 OSA KNT 12 4 28 12 20

splendid, thx

Strange how this works...
Over the past few years, we have beaten Fallen twice and LHDD once. They have not beaten us. Yet, they rank ahead of us.

loutil wrote:Strange how this works...
Over the past few years, we have beaten Fallen twice and LHDD once. They have not beaten us. Yet, they rank ahead of us.

It functions like tennis I do believe, you don't win a couple matches against the best players and expect to be ranked at the top. Example, you could play five matches all year against players 1-5, win them all and you'd still be ranked 324th or whatever. You gotta play the circuit, grind out some tough wins (in this case, accept the game loads and win them). Look how many more "matches" they play than you. Gotta put yourselves on the line more often. That isn't a shot btw, that's just how it appears.

loutil wrote:Strange how this works...
Over the past few years, we have beaten Fallen twice and LHDD once. They have not beaten us. Yet, they rank ahead of us.

Its not that strange, its overall performance based not a leap ladder. When you beat them, you gets points just like anything else.
When they beat others, they get points based on the relative performance. They've earned more elsewhere to make up for those losses against you.
If you want a ranking that takes into account your wins more directly, resurrect the leap ladder.

Also, TOFU always has low weight so a loss kicks in hard.

Lou you know how it works. We either win the cup or we are dog shit.

rockfist wrote:Lou you know how it works. We either win the cup or we are dog shit.

I mean, I can't imagine being in the CL SD repeatedly is good for your ranking either, especially with results like this:
TOFU KNT 9 7 26 12 20

IcePack wrote:

rockfist wrote:Lou you know how it works. We either win the cup or we are dog shit.

I mean, I can't imagine being in the CL SD repeatedly is good for your ranking either, especially with results like this:
TOFU KNT 9 7 26 12 20

I'm sure that result doesn't help, but we've been in the second division once in my six years in TOFU so I'm not sure where you get "repeatedly" from. Our presence in 2nd division wasn't because we got relegated. It was because we skipped a year of participation. I have confidence we will move up.

rockfist wrote:

IcePack wrote:

rockfist wrote:Lou you know how it works. We either win the cup or we are dog shit.

I mean, I can't imagine being in the CL SD repeatedly is good for your ranking either, especially with results like this:
TOFU KNT 9 7 26 12 20

I'm sure that result doesn't help, but we've been in the second division once in my six years in TOFU so I'm not sure where you get "repeatedly" from. Our presence in 2nd division wasn't because we got relegated. It was because we skipped a year of participation. I have confidence we will move up.

Maybe I'm mis-remembering but I thought you had another stint where you were in SD due to skipping a year. If I'm wrong, my apologies.
But yeah, I dont doubt you will be promoted lol but the skipping a year and getting results like that hurts your ranking more then a sub par CL PD year would have, most likely.

IcePack wrote:

rockfist wrote:

IcePack wrote:

rockfist wrote:Lou you know how it works. We either win the cup or we are dog shit.

I mean, I can't imagine being in the CL SD repeatedly is good for your ranking either, especially with results like this:
TOFU KNT 9 7 26 12 20

I'm sure that result doesn't help, but we've been in the second division once in my six years in TOFU so I'm not sure where you get "repeatedly" from. Our presence in 2nd division wasn't because we got relegated. It was because we skipped a year of participation. I have confidence we will move up.

Maybe I'm mis-remembering but I thought you had another stint where you were in SD due to skipping a year. If I'm wrong, my apologies.
But yeah, I dont doubt you will be promoted lol but the skipping a year and getting results like that hurts your ranking more then a sub par CL PD year would have, most likely.

We did, but that was before my time.

rockfist wrote:

IcePack wrote:

rockfist wrote:

IcePack wrote:

rockfist wrote:Lou you know how it works. We either win the cup or we are dog shit.

I mean, I can't imagine being in the CL SD repeatedly is good for your ranking either, especially with results like this:
TOFU KNT 9 7 26 12 20

I'm sure that result doesn't help, but we've been in the second division once in my six years in TOFU so I'm not sure where you get "repeatedly" from. Our presence in 2nd division wasn't because we got relegated. It was because we skipped a year of participation. I have confidence we will move up.

Maybe I'm mis-remembering but I thought you had another stint where you were in SD due to skipping a year. If I'm wrong, my apologies.
But yeah, I dont doubt you will be promoted lol but the skipping a year and getting results like that hurts your ranking more then a sub par CL PD year would have, most likely.

We did, but that was before my time.

Just checked, my bad. It was LHDD that did a double stint 2015 & 2019.

Nevertheless Ice makes a good point about us throwing away ranking points by playing in SD. Overall a score of 1323 isnt terrible either.

loutil wrote:Strange how this works...
Over the past few years, we have beaten Fallen twice and LHDD once. They have not beaten us. Yet, they rank ahead of us.

Your ranking is made up of your results from past 2 years. And it's linearly weighted such that the weight of each war decays towards 0 at 2 years past. So any wins before 1/1/19 don't directly impact your current score.
Below is all of TOFU's results that are counted in the current rankings. The % is how much of your total score comes form that single war result.

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0.1% TOFU LOW 6 10 18 1 19 0.3% TOFU S&M 8 8 3 2 19 1.3% TOFU LHDD 34 27 15 2 19 0.5% TOFU OSA 12 4 4 3 19 0.7% TOFU AFOS 13 3 30 3 19 0.8% TOFU TOP 10 6 7 4 19 0.9% TOFU FALL 12 4 25 4 19 2.6% TOFU ATL 29 14 2 5 19 5.9% TOFU A^ 21 28 3 9 19 7.4% TOFU FOED 25 30 28 9 19 10.1% TOFU AFOS 34 9 19 4 20 13.7% TOFU FALL 30 19 19 7 20 17.1% TOFU FOED 31 24 18 9 20 21.5% TOFU S&M 27 34 12 12 20 5.7% TOFU LOW 12 4 15 12 20 5.7% TOFU BOB 14 2 21 12 20 5.8% TOFU KNT 9 7 26 12 20

Note that even though only your clans results from the past 2 years directly make up your score, actually all wars from all clans since the very beginning indirectly make up every single score calculation.

IcePack wrote:

rockfist wrote:Lou you know how it works. We either win the cup or we are dog shit.

I mean, I can't imagine being in the CL SD repeatedly is good for your ranking either, especially with results like this:
TOFU KNT 9 7 26 12 20

That's def a big part. That particular result has a score of approx 975 for TOFU.
Even the 14-2 BOB win only has a score of around 1000.

Nut Shot Scott wrote:

loutil wrote:Strange how this works...
Over the past few years, we have beaten Fallen twice and LHDD once. They have not beaten us. Yet, they rank ahead of us.

It functions like tennis I do believe, you don't win a couple matches against the best players and expect to be ranked at the top. Example, you could play five matches all year against players 1-5, win them all and you'd still be ranked 324th or whatever. You gotta play the circuit, grind out some tough wins (in this case, accept the game loads and win them). Look how many more "matches" they play than you. Gotta put yourselves on the line more often. That isn't a shot btw, that's just how it appears.

Eh, not really. You play 1 war and beat the top clan, you will have a score higher than that clan was. But you're weight would be too low unless that war was over 150 games.

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VNM KNT 12 4 3 1 21 LHDD TOP 27 16 4 1 21 DBD TOFU 4 12 4 1 21 A^ LHDD 10 6 7 1 21 BOB OSA 5 11 8 1 21 FALL S&M 9 7 11 1 21 FALL LHDD 9 7 12 1 21 ATL S&M 7 9 14 1 21 OSA DBD 10 6 18 1 21 BOB VNM 2 14 21 1 21 A^ FALL 9 7 26 1 21 FOED LHDD 5 11 26 1 21 FALL RET 11 5 27 1 21 ATL FOED 9 7 27 1 21 VNM LOW 7 9 28 1 21 KNT LOW 4 12 29 1 21 LOW BOB 15 1 6 2 21

I am excited to see S&M siting at the top for second month in a row already!

Is it possible for ICON to jump ahead of S&M if they beat FOED badly enough in CC11? If yes, exactly how badly do they need to beat them? The possibilities are very exciting!

josko.ri wrote:I am excited to see S&M siting at the top for second month in a row already!

And most likely will stay there for a while unless you mess up in CC. You're a very strong bunch at the moment, I doubt you'll lose the spot before the finals.

Caymanmew wrote:Is it possible for ICON to jump ahead of S&M if they beat FOED badly enough in CC11? If yes, exactly how badly do they need to beat them? The possibilities are very exciting!

Surely not?

For what it's worth, we're going to win 8-0 / 7-1 home and 5-3 away.

You went up almost 50 points after beating ATL by 5 games. We had about 20 points on you at that time. FOED is up 10 right now so it is similar, although I suspect you'll be above them after the results of your CL match up is in.

Still, though, your two closely ranked clans and if you decimate them in CC11, with say around a 20 game difference, could you gain 150 points? I am not sure how the formula works but you got almost 50 beating ATL by 5 games.

Also note, your weight is still fairly low, I believe that lower weight allows for bigger jumps in the rankings, both up and down.

Never seen anything jump 150 points