Feudal War [Quenched]

KEYOGI · Post by **KEYOGI** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:00 pm

The immaturity of some of the people on this forum astounds me. Andy beat me to it, but gimil posted the recommended updates so I would have moved this just now as well.

How about we make some progress now then hey? Stop the senseless bitching backwards and forwards.

On topic: I'm not too convinced the gameplay is going to be any good on this map to start with, the idea of all the neutrals creates a whole bunch of potentially bad outcomes. I wonder how the Suggestions & Bug Report forums going to cope when/if this is released. :wink:

Beyond the neutral issue though, I see some other pretty serious gameplay concerns... this coming from someone who claims to be no gameplay expert. Everyone starts with a castle so you would think it's pretty even for everyone from the get go. However, I feel Feudal Empire is overly strong. It has one border and can quickly be expanded to include a Village without increasing borders. Feudal Rebellion and Southern Conquerers also only have one border but are going to have a hard time expanding further to collect additional bonuses because they'll be competing over the same resource. The other three castles all have two borders and will be fighting over the same resources. Right there, I think we have a fairly significant balancing issue. This game is going to depend a lot on luck with the dice, so I think you should try and keep this as balanced as possible.

I have a number of graphical suggestions, but it's early days and there's time for those later.

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:07 pm

I think increasing or decreasing the number of neutral armies in a given territory would help balance out these problems without altering a lot of the map.

Kaplowitz · Post by **Kaplowitz** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:50 pm

For the river just put in a simple texture. I made this in like 2 minutes:

It isnt hard if i can do it! (and im sure you can make it better ;-)

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gimil · Post by **gimil** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:53 am

KEYOGI wrote:The immaturity of some of the people on this forum astounds me. Andy beat me to it, but gimil posted the recommended updates so I would have moved this just now as well.

I think Telvannia was ebing sarcastic :wink:

KEYOGI wrote:On topic: I'm not too convinced the gameplay is going to be any good on this map to start with, the idea of all the neutrals creates a whole bunch of potentially bad outcomes. I wonder how the Suggestions & Bug Report forums going to cope when/if this is released.

Dont knock it until youve tried it :wink:

Like coleman says below most of the terrs will have lower nutral armies, about 1-2. But to help lower any one castles advantage any bonus terr will have MORE nutrals on it.

villages around 5-8
merc camp at least 10

KEYOGI wrote:Everyone starts with a castle so you would think it's pretty even for everyone from the get go. However, I feel Feudal Empire is overly strong. It has one border and can quickly be expanded to include a Villagewithout increasing borders. Feudal Rebellion and Southern Conquerers also only have one border but are going to have a hard time expanding further to collect additional bonuses because they'll be competing over the same resource. The other three castles all have two borders and will be fighting over the same resources. Right there, I think we have a fairly significant balancing issue. This game is going to depend a lot on luck with the dice, so I think you should try and keep this as balanced as possible.

Each village is the same distance from 2 castles which is pritty balanced. However after i tool a good look over it i noticed gimils empire (lol) is close to 2 villages. to solve this problem i will close off the east end wall. and move the castle so its closer to that wall. That then means i must mpve teh village also. This should helpbalance that out.

KEYOGI i see your problem with each empire having 2 boarders BUT there is no additonal bonuse to ahing your full empire (although im considering teh idea) so there should be less concern about that issue.

The south end of teh map definety requires some balancing put. Im considering closing on of teh wall passages for the imperial dynasty.

KEYOGI wrote:I have a number of graphical suggestions, but it's early days and there's time for those later.

Dont be shy share them :wink:

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:54 am

unriggable wrote:How does it feel to no longer be confined to that forum?

I no longer feel like the big kid sitting with the young guns :wink:

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:14 am

Gimil
This is a fab map. I have one concern:
Is this the large or small version?
I am having trouble with reading the text....even with glasses on.
Can it be increased in size?

Telvannia · Post by **Telvannia** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:23 am

gimil wrote:
KEYOGI wrote:The immaturity of some of the people on this forum astounds me. Andy beat me to it, but gimil posted the recommended updates so I would have moved this just now as well.

I think Telvannia was ebing sarcastic

thanks for pointing that out, you are correct.

i have a idea for the gold mine, here it is:

it is a cave, with a tract leading out with a little cart on it, the yellow lump next to it is meant to be the gold what has been mined, and there are also some little hut

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:25 am

cairnswk wrote:Gimil
This is a fab map. I have one concern:
Is this the large or small version?
I am having trouble with reading the text....even with glasses on.
Can it be increased in size?

A way around this if you want the text to stay the same size it to add a highlight outline of a lighter shade around all the letters. It helps with small text.

Otherwise you will need a bigger font, even I find it hard to read.

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:28 am

Coleman wrote:
cairnswk wrote:Gimil
This is a fab map. I have one concern:
Is this the large or small version?
I am having trouble with reading the text....even with glasses on.
Can it be increased in size?

A way around this if you want the text to stay the same size it to add a highlight outline of a lighter shade around all the letters. It helps with small text.

Otherwise you will need a bigger font, even I find it hard to read.

teh font was a quick fix so get it moved

Ill sort it a little later

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:29 am

Telvannia wrote:i have a idea for the gold mine, here it is:

it is a cave, with a tract leading out with a little cart on it, the yellow lump next to it is meant to be the gold what has been mined, and there are also some little hut

can you send me a copy with a transparent background and no grass?

Telvannia · Post by **Telvannia** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:01 am

gimil wrote:
Telvannia wrote:i have a idea for the gold mine, here it is:

it is a cave, with a tract leading out with a little cart on it, the yellow lump next to it is meant to be the gold what has been mined, and there are also some little hut

can you send me a copy with a transparent background and no grass?

in a bit, though it wont look the same, because i dont make them on new layers just draw them straight on.

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:04 am

i see lol well i can attemp to draw it on myself.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:06 am

gimil wrote:i see lol well i can attemp to draw it on myself.

it's not that hard. do it yourself.

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:10 am

DiM wrote:
gimil wrote:i see lol well i can attemp to draw it on myself.

it's not that hard. do it yourself.

i didnt say it was hard . . .

smart arse lol

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:29 am

gimil wrote:
DiM wrote:
gimil wrote:i see lol well i can attemp to draw it on myself.

it's not that hard. do it yourself.

i didnt say it was hard . . .

smart arse lol

here's how i did it.

take a 1px brush and do the whole in the mountain with black. switch colour to gray and do the traks. 2-3 vertical lines with the 1px brush.

switch to black and do 3 rectangles. switch to yellow and fill those rectangles. add a bit of inner bevel and a bit of shadow and you got it.

here's without shadow.

i'm curious how telvannia did it

Telvannia · Post by **Telvannia** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:38 am

DiM wrote:here's how i did it.

take a 1px brush and do the whole in the mountain with black. switch colour to gray and do the traks. 2-3 vertical lines with the 1px brush.

switch to black and do 3 rectangles. switch to yellow and fill those rectangles. add a bit of inner bevel and a bit of shadow and you got it.

here's without shadow.

i'm curious how telvannia did it

I added the cave mouth in black and blurred it a bit.
added lines of brown going away from the cave mouth, the added the track to them with a single pixel wide grey line, blurred it a bit.
the i made a brown box outline, filled it with yellow, applied different shadows of yellow on to the gold, then shaded it with dodge and burn to make it look like a pile.
then i copied and pasted some of the buildings from village 2 in to make huts.

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:41 am

Telvannia wrote:
DiM wrote:here's how i did it.

take a 1px brush and do the whole in the mountain with black. switch colour to gray and do the traks. 2-3 vertical lines with the 1px brush.

switch to black and do 3 rectangles. switch to yellow and fill those rectangles. add a bit of inner bevel and a bit of shadow and you got it.

here's without shadow.

i'm curious how telvannia did it

I added the cave mouth in black and blurred it a bit.
added lines of brown going away from the cave mouth, the added the track to them with a single pixel wide grey line, blurred it a bit.
the i made a brown box outline, filled it with yellow, applied different shadows of yellow on to the gold, then shaded it with dodge and burn to make it look like a pile.
then i copied and pasted some of the buildings from village 2 in to make huts.

if you filter a bit of noise onto the gold then itll look more like a pile rather than a single block

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:45 am

Telvannia wrote:
DiM wrote:here's how i did it.

take a 1px brush and do the whole in the mountain with black. switch colour to gray and do the traks. 2-3 vertical lines with the 1px brush.

switch to black and do 3 rectangles. switch to yellow and fill those rectangles. add a bit of inner bevel and a bit of shadow and you got it.

here's without shadow.

i'm curious how telvannia did it

I added the cave mouth in black and blurred it a bit.
added lines of brown going away from the cave mouth, the added the track to them with a single pixel wide grey line, blurred it a bit.
the i made a brown box outline, filled it with yellow, applied different shadows of yellow on to the gold, then shaded it with dodge and burn to make it look like a pile.
then i copied and pasted some of the buildings from village 2 in to make huts.

lol those were houses? i thought those were the carts. my God that pile of gold is bigger than those 2 houses. i want to be there :lol:

i actually did not do any housing there. i just did 3 carts filled with gold.

Telvannia · Post by **Telvannia** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:50 am

DiM wrote:
Telvannia wrote:
DiM wrote:here's how i did it.

take a 1px brush and do the whole in the mountain with black. switch colour to gray and do the traks. 2-3 vertical lines with the 1px brush.

switch to black and do 3 rectangles. switch to yellow and fill those rectangles. add a bit of inner bevel and a bit of shadow and you got it.

here's without shadow.

i'm curious how telvannia did it

I added the cave mouth in black and blurred it a bit.
added lines of brown going away from the cave mouth, the added the track to them with a single pixel wide grey line, blurred it a bit.
the i made a brown box outline, filled it with yellow, applied different shadows of yellow on to the gold, then shaded it with dodge and burn to make it look like a pile.
then i copied and pasted some of the buildings from village 2 in to make huts.

lol those were houses? i thought those were the carts. my God that pile of gold is bigger than those 2 houses. i want to be there

i actually did not do any housing there. i just did 3 carts filled with gold.

Sorry i moved into the cave about 5 minutes ago, it is all my gold.

if you want you can come round a visit me, might give you some fools gold.

gimil do you still want a version of my mine?

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:50 am

yes please tel

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:01 am

Tel's is better I reckon. (Sorry DiM)!

C>

Telvannia · Post by **Telvannia** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:17 am

here is a new one
with:

and without background:

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:19 am

thanxs tel.

Anyway teh more important discussion right now it balanceing gameplay.

I need feedback on this atm

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:20 am

yeti_c wrote:Tel's is better I reckon. (Sorry DiM)!

C>

no problem. :roll:

Telvannia wrote:here is a new one

could you make the houses bigger and the gold smaller??

it's kinda strange to see a gold lump bigger than the house and bigger than the cave entrance. :wink:

Telvannia · Post by **Telvannia** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:22 am

DiM wrote:
Telvannia wrote:here is a new one

could you make the houses bigger and the gold smaller??

it's kinda strange to see a gold lump bigger than the house and bigger than the cave entrance.

if gimil would prefer it that way i can easily change it, but for now i need to get on with my map