Night Strike wrote:All that money should be forced to be paid out to a charity or something. And there really needs to be some monetary punishment to players who get to sign these big contracts while on PEDs yet get to keep playing out the contract. They should be forced to play a year for the minimum salary before signing a new contract. Or something along those lines.
Well, Ryan Braun is without his salary through his suspension...that's a pretty big monetary hit, if you as me.
He loses less than $4 million off an approximately $11 million contract. Next year, his 5 year, $105 million (approximate numbers) contract kicks in that he signed immediately after the 2011 season, when he tested positive for PEDs but weaseled out of the ban. That means he has to lose $4 million in order to gain $21 million per year for 5 years. Sounds like an easy trade off.
That's just it...it's not a trade off. It's a full loss of $4 million. At the time Braun took the PEDs, he wasn't thinking "It doesn't matter if I get caught, because even though I'll lose $4 million, I'll gain $105 million". He was thinking "I won't get caught". Period.
As well, it definitely does appear that there are going to be serious consequences for future violations forthcoming, now that the Players' Union is pretty onboard with handling this thing the way it should be.
I would not hesitate to use PEDs if I thought it would make me $500,000, nevermind $105 million.
As far as I'm concerned, people suspected of PED use in the past (e.g. Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, McGwire) should still be HoFers (and for some first ballott HOFers). And I hate all four of those guys (not for PEDs - I don't care if you use whatever).
Re: MLB 2013
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:03 pm
by Night Strike
thegreekdog wrote:As far as I'm concerned, people suspected of PED use in the past (e.g. Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, McGwire) should still be HoFers (and for some first ballott HOFers).
I agree. That was the era they played in.
Woodruff wrote:That's just it...it's not a trade off. It's a full loss of $4 million. At the time Braun took the PEDs, he wasn't thinking "It doesn't matter if I get caught, because even though I'll lose $4 million, I'll gain $105 million". He was thinking "I won't get caught". Period.
Well yes, he assumed he wouldn't get caught, but that doesn't change the numbers. He signed a new, rich contract while he was juiced and won't lose one penny from that contract.
Re: MLB 2013
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:10 am
by AndyDufresne
Night Strike wrote:Well yes, he assumed he wouldn't get caught, but that doesn't change the numbers. He signed a new, rich contract while he was juiced and won't lose one penny from that contract.
This is capitalism at its finest! Now I just need to get into the MLB. And learn to play baseball. And get drugged up. Hm.
--Andy
The Boys in the Banned
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:31 am
by oVo
Financially speaking all these fuckers have already made so much money that none of this even matters. Salary wise it's petty BS to this elite group.
Re: The Boys in the Banned
Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:39 pm
by nietzsche
oVo wrote:Financially speaking all these fuckers have already made so much money that none of this even matters. Salary wise it's petty BS to this elite group.
With what this guys make a year, a whole village somewhere in Africa could live for all their lives lol.
Clown move bro.
Re: MLB 2013
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:32 am
by oVo
Some of these individual salaries could feed a third world country for a year, not just a village.
If MLB wanted to end this abuse it would stiffen and enforce their rules, but I'm thinking the club management is too strong of an influence. Otherwise getting caught cheating with performance enhancing drugs would be a lifetime ban period.
No tolerance, grace periods, fines or other BS.
Re: MLB 2013
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:23 am
by Serbia
Tigers have now won 11 straight and have a 6 game lead on Cleveland. Who they get to play once more tonight. Detroit is 8-1 this year at Cleveland. Go Tigers.
Bollocks.
Re: MLB 2013
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:27 am
by strike wolf
Braves have won 13 straight and finished a perfect 6-0 road trip against division rival nats to take a 15 1/2 game lead in the east. They have the second best record in Baseball and along with Boston became one of the first two teams to 70 last night.
Re: MLB 2013
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:21 am
by nietzsche
strike wolf wrote:Braves have won 13 straight and finished a perfect 6-0 road trip against division rival nats to take a 15 1/2 game lead in the east. They have the second best record in Baseball and along with Boston became one of the first two teams to 70 last night.
Clown move bro.
Re: MLB 2013
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:58 pm
by thegreekdog
thegreekdog wrote:NLCS - Atlanta over Pittsburgh in 5 ALCS - Detroit over Texas in 7 WS - Atlanta over Detroit in 6
Remember this? Yeah, it's on page one. I should have made some bets.
Re: MLB 2013
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:07 pm
by oVo
Ha! You made me look at page one. Gotta love all the optimism a new season brings with it.
AL finally gets the World Series home field and it's hard to imagine the STAR STUDDED Angels even making the post season atm. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! Braves are rockin' the NL right now... but who will be hot when it matters?
Re: MLB 2013
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:31 pm
by strike wolf
If Braves can secure home field adv. In the playofffs than I like our shot at making the Ws and weve played reasonably well against both the Cards and the Pirate (have swept both at Turner Field) who look to be the two most likely teams we would run into or at least I feel like the centeal will start beating itself up more and Braves get the 1 seed) I would give us decent odds in the WS. If the Braves werent to make it, it would not surprise me if Pittsburgh won the series.
Re: MLB 2013
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:10 pm
by nietzsche
No comments about "Clown move bro" ?
I'm disappoint.
Re: MLB 2013
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:05 pm
by Army of GOD
thegreekdog wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:NLCS - Atlanta over Pittsburgh in 5 ALCS - Detroit over Texas in 7 WS - Atlanta over Detroit in 6
Remember this? Yeah, it's on page one. I should have made some bets.
Why? The Red Sox are gonna win the WS
Re: MLB 2013
Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:43 am
by Woodruff
Re: MLB 2013
Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:46 am
by Serbia
Who would have thought that a five game series featuring Kansas City at Detroit would end up being key in the Central Division race?
Bollocks.
Re: MLB 2013
Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:38 am
by Army of GOD
I guess that shows how bad the division is...
=D
Re: MLB 2013
Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:17 am
by oVo
OR... like the Dodgers in the NL after an awful start KC has come back strong.
The Astros won another game in Oakland last night.
Re: MLB 2013
Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:21 am
by oVo
OR... like the Dodgers in the NL after an awful start KC has come back strong.
The Astros won another game in Oakland last night.
Re: MLB 2013
Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:34 am
by chapcrap
The Royals are back on the way down.
Re: MLB 2013
Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:42 am
by oVo
and the floundering Yankees are looking to sweep the other "Payday All Stars" LA Angels.
Re: MLB 2013
Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:51 am
by strike wolf
I predict The Tigers will take 3 out of 5.
Re: MLB 2013
Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:20 pm
by thegreekdog
oVo wrote:and the floundering Yankees are looking to sweep the other "Payday All Stars" LA Angels.
I prefered your previous avatar (in the interest of full disclosure, I'm an ass man, not a breast man).
Re: MLB 2013
Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:08 pm
by AndyDufresne
Whenever I see this topic, my first, and probably only topic, is Tom Hanks in 'A League of Their Own' saying: There's no crying in baseball.
--Andy
Re: MLB 2013
Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:51 pm
by oVo
chapcrap wrote:The Royals are back on the way down.
Guess we'll see what they've got as a Tiger series starts tonight in Detroit with both teams at 6-4 over their last ten. KC faces Sanchez tonight and Verlander tomorrow on the front end of a double header.
thegreekdog wrote:I preferred your previous avatar (in the interest of full disclosure, I'm an ass man, not a breast man).
That was certainly some fine looking cleavage, I'll keep that in mind when it's time to dust off a new one.
