MAFIA - X-Men Legends [Game over -- Town wins!]

AK_iceman · Post by **AK_iceman** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:20 pm

Announcement

I added a Page Reference at the bottom of the second post to hopefully help with re-reads.

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:21 pm

reverend_kyle wrote:I also haven't since the first day thought that Xenhu was pro town, but I dont know what he would be if not.. pro town pro mafia there doesnt seem to be a 3rd tier.l

Yes, what about the SK, survivor, jester, lyncher, The giant pumpkin that shoots laser beams out of it's but. Those are all not pro-mafia or pro-town.

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:22 pm

AK_iceman wrote:Announcement

I added a Page Reference at the bottom of the second post to hopefully help with re-reads.

cool, good idea.

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:25 pm

Fircoal wrote:
reverend_kyle wrote:I also haven't since the first day thought that Xenhu was pro town, but I dont know what he would be if not.. pro town pro mafia there doesnt seem to be a 3rd tier.l

Yes, what about the SK, survivor, jester, lyncher, The giant pumpkin that shoots laser beams out of it's but. Those are all not pro-mafia or pro-town.

Then what are their goals, in every game I've played its been pretty black and white.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:26 pm

ooh, xenhu's name was in blue and did NOT say pro-town.

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:27 pm

reverend_kyle wrote:
Fircoal wrote:
reverend_kyle wrote:I also haven't since the first day thought that Xenhu was pro town, but I dont know what he would be if not.. pro town pro mafia there doesnt seem to be a 3rd tier.l

Yes, what about the SK, survivor, jester, lyncher, The giant pumpkin that shoots laser beams out of it's but. Those are all not pro-mafia or pro-town.

Then what are their goals, in every game I've played its been pretty black and white.

Sk - to be the only one alive
Survivor - just to stay alive
Cult - To capture the town with a cult.
Jester - To be lynched
Lyncher - To lynch the lynchee
the giant pumpkin that shoots laser beams out of it's but - I don't know, it didn't say in the flash thing.

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:27 pm

so then good thing we killed him?

Could someone shed some light on whats going on here.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:27 pm

RK they typically have roles like "be the last one standing" or "get yourself lynched", so aren't pro-town or pro-mafia.

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:28 pm

wicked wrote:RK they typically have roles like "be the last one standing"

if that was someones role wouldnt it be way obvious towards the end when there is 3 players left and the game is still going on.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:30 pm

I don't know, it's never gotten down to that in any games I've seen.

with that, I'm off for a few hours. looking forward to reading more theories when I get back!

sully800 · Post by **sully800** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:30 pm

Alright, looking at all of MB's posts I didn't find a whole lot that stands out.

He voted for wicked, then unvoted her and voted for xenhu. So perhaps he investigated wicked and found her innocent, but I don't think we can prove it with a simple vote/unvote.

He was arguing with Senfive a lot, almost fighting with him and I believe pointed a FOS but never voted for Senfive.

He did end up voting for Xenhu (by the way, do you think xenhu 'the instigator' was supposed to bring suspicion against Andy early on as a part of his role?)

He also told fircoal to stop being rude right near the end. I don't think that means anything at all, but if I'm reading red bull's posts correctly he thinks fircoal is innocent, perhaps because MB investigated fircoal? I see no proof of that since their only interaction (that I found) was MB saying "stop being rude fircoal"

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:34 pm

sully800 wrote:Alright, looking at all of MB's posts I didn't find a whole lot that stands out.

He voted for wicked, then unvoted her and voted for xenhu. So perhaps he investigated wicked and found her innocent, but I don't think we can prove it with a simple vote/unvote.

I agree, not much here to help.

He was arguing with Senfive a lot, almost fighting with him and I believe pointed a FOS but never voted for Senfive.

I think MB and Senfive have clashing personalities. If you take a look at it, it seems like that more, than he knew anything.

He did end up voting for Xenhu (by the way, do you think xenhu 'the instigator' was supposed to bring suspicion against Andy early on as a part of his role?)

Hm, perhaps. Perhaps he was given someone to start something against (maybe if he could get people to lynch that person, something good/bad happened?) Or maybe he could choose?

He also told fircoal to stop being rude right near the end. I don't think that means anything at all, but if I'm reading red bull's posts correctly he thinks fircoal is innocent, perhaps because MB investigated fircoal? I see no proof of that since their only interaction (that I found) was MB saying "stop being rude fircoal"

I'm almost positive I know who MB investigated...

--Andy

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:34 pm

sully800 wrote:Alright, looking at all of MB's posts I didn't find a whole lot that stands out.

He voted for wicked, then unvoted her and voted for xenhu. So perhaps he investigated wicked and found her innocent, but I don't think we can prove it with a simple vote/unvote.

He was arguing with Senfive a lot, almost fighting with him and I believe pointed a FOS but never voted for Senfive.

He did end up voting for Xenhu (by the way, do you think xenhu 'the instigator' was supposed to bring suspicion against Andy early on as a part of his role?)

He also told fircoal to stop being rude right near the end. I don't think that means anything at all, but if I'm reading red bull's posts correctly he thinks fircoal is innocent, perhaps because MB investigated fircoal? I see no proof of that since their only interaction (that I found) was MB saying "stop being rude fircoal"

I wouldn't read too much into MB's stop being rude to fircoal conversation.

Also, senfive and MB seem to have a big into reference to previous mafia games, so maybe that is where master bush's mafia kill came from.

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:39 pm

reverend_kyle wrote:
sully800 wrote:Alright, looking at all of MB's posts I didn't find a whole lot that stands out.

He voted for wicked, then unvoted her and voted for xenhu. So perhaps he investigated wicked and found her innocent, but I don't think we can prove it with a simple vote/unvote.

He was arguing with Senfive a lot, almost fighting with him and I believe pointed a FOS but never voted for Senfive.

He did end up voting for Xenhu (by the way, do you think xenhu 'the instigator' was supposed to bring suspicion against Andy early on as a part of his role?)

He also told fircoal to stop being rude right near the end. I don't think that means anything at all, but if I'm reading red bull's posts correctly he thinks fircoal is innocent, perhaps because MB investigated fircoal? I see no proof of that since their only interaction (that I found) was MB saying "stop being rude fircoal"

I wouldn't read too much into MB's stop being rude to fircoal conversation.

Also, senfive and MB seem to have a big into reference to previous mafia games, so maybe that is where master bush's mafia kill came from.

I think he said it more because he thought it was rude, but the odd thing, is I've seen way ruder people on this site.

Master Bush · Post by **Master Bush** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:41 pm

I'm never gonna make it deep in these mafia games, cause of how good of a townie I am.

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:46 pm

Master Bush wrote:I'm never gonna make it deep in these mafia games, cause of how good of a townie I am.

That is sad.

and fircoal that was my point.

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:49 pm

I've got to head out for a while, hm, it'll give me some time to think a few things over.

--Andy

sully800 · Post by **sully800** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:57 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:
He was arguing with Senfive a lot, almost fighting with him and I believe pointed a FOS but never voted for Senfive.
I think MB and Senfive have clashing personalities.

--Andy

Oh, I don't think MB investigated Senfive, since he was being accusatory toward Senfive. I do believe that MB investigated a townie because he would have tried to tip us off otherwise. So perhaps he was being accusatory toward Senfive and struck a bit of truth? Maybe Senfive felt threatened because MB was right and so Senfive bumped him off?

It's a reach I know, and can't be proven, but whenever a townie is killed I think its helpful to look at who they were suspicious of, or who they clashed with. For MB it seemed to be wicked, senfive and xenhu. I think the wicked vote was mostly a joke to start the day, so I will point another FOS at Senfive

As for your confidence in who MB investigated, I still am not seeing the reasoning Andy.

Marvaddin · Post by **Marvaddin** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:29 pm

AK_iceman wrote:Announcement

I added a Page Reference at the bottom of the second post to hopefully help with re-reads.

Yep, and this says supercram is dead (page 12), then supercram lynched (page 17). :roll:

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:32 pm

Marvaddin wrote:
AK_iceman wrote:Announcement

I added a Page Reference at the bottom of the second post to hopefully help with re-reads.

Yep, and this says supercram is dead (page 12), then supercram lynched (page 17).

It doesn't now. I guess he was a double life.

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:34 pm

If XenHu's "Instigator" role was not pro-town, then I will definetely vote for Senfive.

But, I thought that blue was good guys, red was bad guys, and green was power roles.

Marvaddin · Post by **Marvaddin** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:36 pm

sully800 wrote:I guess I just don't believe its a vigilante, because there was not much evidence against either one. I think a vigilante would be a bit more careful in using their power because they could just end up killing townies twice as fast if they were wrong. A serial killer is a real possibility though, I can believe that.

Anyway, my reasoning for having two different mafias- First of all, their were two kills at night which seems to support that theory. Also, the large number of people would open up room for multiple mafia groups. Each group would have to defeat the other mafia and the townies to win. I still can't really explain the day kills or day cop or any of that....it seems like we may just have a lot of twists.

^^ I agree with this.

And this makes me think XenHu was a member of 2nd mafia... What is an instigator, by the way?

wicked wrote:ooh, xenhu's name was in blue and did NOT say pro-town.

HoussamTheGreat · Post by **HoussamTheGreat** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:34 pm

vgmmaster wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:Hm, a serial killer in the Mafia could be an option...but it would have to be a random choice, or 'inversed' SK...as one most likely wouldn't take out a fellow mafia member (unless it is part of strategy to confuse?).

--Andy

Actually, I was the Mafia SK in that game and the choices were not random. I don't understand why the SK would take out the mafia first, so, if my theory is correct, we have a newbie serial killer.

I was a serial killer before, and I went after twonies - but of course, just like the rest of us, the serial killer right now can't tell twonie from mafia. at least not yet. So I would not necessarily say it's a newbie SK.

Senfive · Post by **Senfive** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:38 pm

I like how I had an argument with MB about how i come off as an ass and then the mafia use it to frame me for his murder. That is the only reason I am alive right now. I love how Sully immediately tries to impress this early on in the day with the following post....

sully800 wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:
He was arguing with Senfive a lot, almost fighting with him and I believe pointed a FOS but never voted for Senfive.
I think MB and Senfive have clashing personalities.

--Andy

Oh, I don't think MB investigated Senfive, since he was being accusatory toward Senfive. I do believe that MB investigated a townie because he would have tried to tip us off otherwise. So perhaps he was being accusatory toward Senfive and struck a bit of truth? Maybe Senfive felt threatened because MB was right and so Senfive bumped him off?

It's a reach I know, and can't be proven, but whenever a townie is killed I think its helpful to look at who they were suspicious of, or who they clashed with. For MB it seemed to be wicked, senfive and xenhu. I think the wicked vote was mostly a joke to start the day, so I will point another FOS at Senfive

As for your confidence in who MB investigated, I still am not seeing the reasoning Andy.

I really don't understand why all these FOS keep coming at me. will a townie look at their win condition and then look at what I posted. I am tired of it being overlooked.

I honestly suggest we start looking at all the people trying to post doubt on me. I honestly have no suspects at all. Nothing to really go on except the people who have no understanding of what I wrote and want to attack me.

Machiavelli wrote:I wonder if there is a day doc, who can prevent someone from being lynched?

to me this looks like you are "role" fishing. Why is that?

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:39 pm

sully800 wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:
He was arguing with Senfive a lot, almost fighting with him and I believe pointed a FOS but never voted for Senfive.
I think MB and Senfive have clashing personalities.

--Andy

Oh, I don't think MB investigated Senfive, since he was being accusatory toward Senfive. I do believe that MB investigated a townie because he would have tried to tip us off otherwise. So perhaps he was being accusatory toward Senfive and struck a bit of truth? Maybe Senfive felt threatened because MB was right and so Senfive bumped him off?

It's a reach I know, and can't be proven, but whenever a townie is killed I think its helpful to look at who they were suspicious of, or who they clashed with. For MB it seemed to be wicked, senfive and xenhu. I think the wicked vote was mostly a joke to start the day, so I will point another FOS at Senfive

As for your confidence in who MB investigated, I still am not seeing the reasoning Andy.

This is more evidence then we had killing xenhu. I'm going to go ahead and vote senfive as it seems he is the biggest lead, also he was in autoloads game with master bush and watched him pick off 5 mafia, and argued with him every time. It just makes sense.