Conquer Club

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duday53 wrote: America was Isolationists before WWI and barely helped till the end after tons of soldiers had already died. Without those fallen soldiers, America would have lost..

I hate to be the one defending America since I spent the better part of my adult life standing up to NATO warmongers, however, I truly don't think the U.S. was ever in the slightest danger of being invaded and conquered by Austria in 1917, even if France had surrendered on Day 1 of the outbreak of hostilities.

However, that would make an interesting steampunk film!

tonbomorphew wrote:switzerland which is still isolationist!
*not including suisse

You tell 'em, Dufour!

thegreekdog wrote:

Falkomagno wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:
2. Overly patriotic people are annoying and dangerous. It shouldn't be about "your country" being the best and only looking out for your country's best interest....why the Hell can't it be looking out for humanity as a whole's best interest?

You got it

Is it better for a country to look out for the best interests of humanity when other countries are looking out for their own best interests? How do you reconcile hating American for looking out for its own best interests and not hating other countries for doing the same (for example, Venezuela, China, Iran, Israel, etc).

Well, this really comes down to opinion and morals, but we should just continue to look out for everyone's best interest. Perhaps we should just send a really influential speaker to these countries (Arnold Schwarzenegger, perhaps) and try to persuade them to do the same...but it's when everyone only looks out for their best interest that the most people who live in unfortunate situations have to suffer.

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duday53 wrote:America can't be a super-power forever. Just like Rome, England, France, etc eventually something happens and it crumbles.

The separation of classes is what eventually brings down every major empire/Superpower.It is the main cause which leads to further problems. Happened to Rome, England, and also France. It is happening and will worsen in America

tonbomorphew wrote:Whose Doufour?

Wait - you've been hanging out in this thread waving the Swiss flag and you don't know who Henri Dufour is?

Are you a Turk?

Oh yeah the guy from Geneva
Red cross guy haha!

tonbomorphew wrote:Whose Doufour?

My Doufour!

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saxitoxin wrote:

tonbomorphew wrote:switzerland which is still isolationist!
*not including suisse

You tell 'em, Dufour!

Dufour's DEAD!

Ps the east doesn't like him {me}

tonbomorphew wrote:Ps the east doesn't like him {me}

you must be Catholic

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I - The People's Liberation Army-Navy is mobilizing in the South China Sea. That means it's time for the Philippines to go pro-American:



Once sailing season is over they'll switch those flags back up and resume burning the US flag and waving the PRC standard.

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II - The Revolutionary Armed Forces of the DPRK are engaged in summer shield exercises. Time for a pro-US rally by South Koreans who want to save their MMORPGs.



Six months from now they'll use all those handflags for a giant bonfire in the center of Seoul.

The problem is the brainwashed state of people living in capitalist society that they are so fickle.

tonbomorphew wrote:Protestant!

That doesn't make any sense then ... you're a Swiss Protestant and you don't like the hero of Switzerland's Civil War?

That would be like Pedronicus saying he was really pro-Jacobite, or, jimboston saying Ulysses Grant gave the south a raw deal (though he'd spell most of the words wrong in doing that).

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tonbomorphew wrote:no the whole east just doesn't like geneva's football\soccer team!

good googily moogily!

the Swiss never were the brightest apples in Europe but this guy takes the cake!

tonbomorphew, I just friended you!

saxitoxin wrote:

duday53 wrote: America was Isolationists before WWI and barely helped till the end after tons of soldiers had already died. Without those fallen soldiers, America would have lost..

I hate to be the one defending America since I spent the better part of my adult life standing up to NATO warmongers, however, I truly don't think the U.S. was ever in the slightest danger of being invaded and conquered by Austria in 1917, even if France had surrendered on Day 1 of the outbreak of hostilities.

However, that would make an interesting steampunk film!

That is true, but they were still quite isolationist. Keeping to their own business and all. Didn't provide much help till they entered the war in 1917

duday53 wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

duday53 wrote: America was Isolationists before WWI and barely helped till the end after tons of soldiers had already died. Without those fallen soldiers, America would have lost..

I hate to be the one defending America since I spent the better part of my adult life standing up to NATO warmongers, however, I truly don't think the U.S. was ever in the slightest danger of being invaded and conquered by Austria in 1917, even if France had surrendered on Day 1 of the outbreak of hostilities.

However, that would make an interesting steampunk film!

That is true, but they were still quite isolationist. Keeping to their own business and all. Didn't provide much help till they entered the war in 1917

In your opinion, what compelling interest did the United States have to enter WWI that they "owed it" to the Allies to join in the fight?

If Emperor Charles, Emperor Wilhelm and Sultan Mehmed had won WWI it would certainly have changed the lives of everyone in France, Russia and the UK in very real ways.

How would it have changed day-to-day business for the United States (or Canada, for that matter)?

At the end of WWI British adult women still didn't have the right to vote, half the British parliament was still occupied by hereditary nobility, Ireland and India were still occupied and horribly oppressed nations; what exactly did the US and Canada fight for in WWI if it wasn't freedom in Europe, since it certainly wasn't? Had Germany, Austria and the Ottoman Empire have won, WWII and the Holocaust would never have happened. Other than North Americans get to have a day off work in November, what benefits were realized as a result of an Allied victory in WWI?

duday53 wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

duday53 wrote: America was Isolationists before WWI and barely helped till the end after tons of soldiers had already died. Without those fallen soldiers, America would have lost..

I hate to be the one defending America since I spent the better part of my adult life standing up to NATO warmongers, however, I truly don't think the U.S. was ever in the slightest danger of being invaded and conquered by Austria in 1917, even if France had surrendered on Day 1 of the outbreak of hostilities.

However, that would make an interesting steampunk film!

That is true, but they were still quite isolationist. Keeping to their own business and all. Didn't provide much help till they entered the war in 1917

But why WOULD they be expected to? If you say "because it's the right thing to do", then why aren't you railing at your own government for not being involved in pretty much every war around the world going on right now?

In your opinion, what compelling interest did the United States have to enter WWI that they "owed it" to the Allies to join in the fight?

If Emperor Charles, Emperor Wilhelm and Sultan Mehmed had won WWI it would certainly have changed the lives of everyone in France, Russia and the UK in very real ways.

How would it have changed day-to-day business for the United States (or Canada, for that matter)?

At the end of WWI British adult women still didn't have the right to vote, half the British parliament was still occupied by hereditary nobility, Ireland and India were still occupied and horribly oppressed nations; what exactly did the US and Canada fight for in WWI if it wasn't freedom in Europe, since it certainly wasn't? Had Germany, Austria and the Ottoman Empire have won, WWII and the Holocaust would never have happened. Other than North Americans get to have a day off work in November, what benefits were realized as a result of an Allied victory in WWI?

See this is pretty much right. I totally agree with everything you had posted. I think people tend to forget that there was no good or evil in WWI. It was totally political or even personal between corrupt and inbred royal families. If I had been alive at the time in America, I'd be saying "hell, no let's not join this pointless war" Woodrow Wilson wanted to stay out of it. I think he was wise to not want to get involved.

If Deputy Prime Minister Clegg were visiting Belfast and the IRA ambushed and killed him and it was, quickly thereafter, found out that the component of the IRA involved had been funded, equipped and trained by the Irish government who had staged the assassination with the knowledge of the Irish Prime Minister, the UK demanded reforms in the Irish government, all of which were rebuffed, would the UK attack Ireland? Probably.

If Vice-President Biden were visiting San Juan, Puerto Rico and was attacked and killed by PNRP fighters and it was, quickly thereafter, found out that the PNRP was being funded and equipped by the Cuban government, would the US attack Cuba? Most certainly.

In 1914 the crown prince of Austria was killed on his own territory by terrorists funded and equipped by the Serbian army. Austria attacked Serbia in retaliation. What was Britain, France and the US fighting for in WWI? The right of Serbia to engage in international terrorism?

Saxi, kindly keep Canada out of this debate. It was not Canada as we know it today as it was a puppet regime of the totalitarian English royal parliament. However, Canada had every right to partake in the WWII festivities as a full equal partner.

The Bison King wrote:See this is pretty much right. I totally agree with everything you had posted. I think people tend to forget that there was no good or evil in WWI. It was totally political or even personal between corrupt and inbred royal families. If I had been alive at the time in America, I'd be saying "hell, no let's not join this pointless war" Woodrow Wilson wanted to stay out of it. I think he was wise to not want to get involved.

And not only that, twice - in 1916 and 1917 - Emperors Wilhelm, Charles and Mehmet all offered to negotiate peace with the UK and France and withdraw to behind their pre-war borders.

Both times Britain rejected the peace offers. In order to gobble up German colonies in east Africa they had to hold out long enough for the U.S. to enter the war so they could force an unconditional surrender on the Central Powers.

After the Lusitania was sank the Imperial Court ordered no further attacks on ships flying American flags and even paid compensation to the families of Americans who were killed. However, cowardly, slack-jawed British ship captains began flying U.S. flags in violation of international law while British-hired PR agencies in the U.S. spread rumors and lies to goad the government to war.

400,000 Americans and 70,000 Canadians died for the sole purpose of allowing Britain to have the privilege of enslaving and raping part of Africa instead of Germany.