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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:58 pm
by mibi
shark0613 wrote:What do you think about making the country circles slightly larger than the city circles to more easily differentiate between the two?
There are currently three ways to differentiate the two.
City circles are red, province circles are grey.
City names are red, province circles are grey
City names are lowercase, province names are uppercase
I think that should be enough.
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:59 pm
by mibi
Coleman wrote:I'm not sure that is necessary. I expect a lot of people to take the loyalties that most benefit them. There are a lot of 1 neutral territories. Plus I'm a player that would definitely go after neutral 3s if I started with the green zone and a good fortification path to it (U.S.)
Right, well I wont change them then... and we shall see what happens. The good thing the neutrals will be easier and less hassel to tweak, once the map is live.
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:03 pm
by Coleman
In the xml I haven't been making provinces upper case because Italy proved players found all caps in the drop downs to be annoying and we had to fix it with an update to the xml.
As a result for Karbala I had to make Karbala and Karbala City since the province and the city had the same name. If you wanted I could add City to the end of all the cities to help players even more.
For the loyality boxes I've just been naming them (ignore spelling, I don't have the map to check with as I type this, they are right in the xml) Mahdi "name", al-Qaeda "name", U.S. "name", and Baathist "name".
For Karbala City the names are U.S. Karbala, al-Qaeda Karbala, and so on without the City on the end.
Should I add or take out City anywhere in all of that?
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:34 pm
by mibi
Coleman wrote:In the xml I haven't been making provinces upper case because Italy proved players found all caps in the drop downs to be annoying and we had to fix it with an update to the xml.
As a result for Karbala I had to make Karbala and Karbala City since the province and the city had the same name. If you wanted I could add City to the end of all the cities to help players even more.
For the loyality boxes I've just been naming them (ignore spelling, I don't have the map to check with as I type this, they are right in the xml) Mahdi "name", al-Qaeda "name", U.S. "name", and Baathist "name".
For Karbala City the names are U.S. Karbala, al-Qaeda Karbala, and so on without the City on the end.
Should I add or take out City anywhere in all of that?
would it be totally annoying to have be "the city of Karbala", "the city of Rutbah" and perhaps, "the province of Muthanna" etc.. that might get really long, but would sound since, and automatiical seperate province from cities int he list.
as for the aloyalty boxes... what about "al-Quaeda in Rutba" or "Rutba's al-queda presence"" "Basrah's US presence" "Ramadi's loyalty to Mahdi army" etc this might be totally ridiculous but it would make the game log look a news ticker.
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:42 pm
by Coleman
I like those without putting the in front of them.
City of "Name" Province of "Name" (if province is the word we are using)
Now that dashes don't screw up BOB could we do Baghdad - "Name" for those?
As for the loyalty boxes I'm not sure about all that text. I could do another simple Mahdi - "Name" for those like Baghdad. Or the reverse "name" - Mahdi.
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:03 pm
by yeti_c
XML query...
For the Mahdi army - is it....
a) +7 for every 4 cities held? (i.e. max 21 for all 12)
b) +7 for over 4 cities held? (i.e. max 7 for 4+) <- 3 people could hold this bonus
If it's B - I think I have a fair solution... not 100% sure will confirm tomorrow...
Al-Queda is harder!
C.
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:27 pm
by mibi
Coleman wrote:I like those without putting the in front of them.
City of "Name" Province of "Name" (if province is the word we are using)
Now that dashes don't screw up BOB could we do Baghdad - "Name" for those?
As for the loyalty boxes I'm not sure about all that text. I could do another simple Mahdi - "Name" for those like Baghdad. Or the reverse "name" - Mahdi.
what about <loyalty> of <city>. Like Bathists of Ramadi
bahdad could be, "<name> district of bahdad" or is that too long
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:52 pm
by Coleman
You know, I'll need to ask Andy what is too long because I'm not sure. I actually don't think it matters as long as it isn't average sentence length, the drop downs should stretch as far as they need to.
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:29 pm
by yeti_c
PS - ignore earlier question it cannot be done... however...
I have devised an elegant solution to all of our XML problems...
My previous suggestion for optional components of continents (for Supermax) wouldn't've worked on this...
But my new suggestion will work for boththis and Supermax...
Check it out in the XML thread.
C.
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:50 pm
by mibi
yeti_c wrote:PS - ignore earlier question it cannot be done... however...
I have devised an elegant solution to all of our XML problems...
My previous suggestion for optional components of continents (for Supermax) wouldn't've worked on this...
But my new suggestion will work for boththis and Supermax...
Check it out in the XML thread.
C.
uhg..... another map hung up on xml updates...
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:10 pm
by yeti_c
mibi wrote:yeti_c wrote:PS - ignore earlier question it cannot be done... however...
I have devised an elegant solution to all of our XML problems...
My previous suggestion for optional components of continents (for Supermax) wouldn't've worked on this...
But my new suggestion will work for boththis and Supermax...
Check it out in the XML thread.
C.
uhg..... another map hung up on xml updates...
This would be the same XML update for both Supermax - and this now...
C.
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:25 pm
by Coleman
I still encourage the adjacent rule.
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:29 pm
by yeti_c
Coleman wrote:I still encourage the adjacent rule.
Depends on the time scales that Lack could get this in...
If it was soon - then I say go for the original...
But - how long's a piece of string?!
C.
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:44 pm
by yeti_c
BTW - you still have "Loyalites" instead of "Loyalties"
Or are you saying that the people are "loyalite" - I think "Acolytes" would be a better word if that's your intention.
C.
iraq map
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:11 am
by HAWK79
i personally dont think you should make a map about an ongoing war because being part of a military family i know it would offend me and should offend any other person on this site that has a loved one currently serving over seas or has a loved one that has given his life for the war. (i am a part of both groups i have immediate family currently serving in iraq and i had two very close friends killed when the war first started)
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:59 am
by bedub1
bedub1 wrote:Why is the legend like half the map?
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:05 am
by Coleman
One of my friends was on Flight 93 and another of my friends was wounded and lost his best friend while stationed there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_P._Felt is the friend who died. I'm not disclosing the name of my friend who is stationed.
I do not find this map offensive. It's a country, this is a representation of it, and the United States has the highest bonus count in the end.
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:38 am
by yeti_c
bedub1 wrote:bedub1 wrote:Why is the legend like half the map?
Probably to ensure that people can understand it...
Or do you mean the bits on the right - that isn't legend - that's the loyalty territories for the map.
C.
Re: iraq map
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:39 am
by yeti_c
HAWK79 wrote:i personally dont think you should make a map about an ongoing war because being part of a military family i know it would offend me and should offend any other person on this site that has a loved one currently serving over seas or has a loved one that has given his life for the war. (i am a part of both groups i have immediate family currently serving in iraq and i had two very close friends killed when the war first started)
Over 62 million people died in WW2... yet we have maps for that...
C.
Re: iraq map
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:33 am
by yamahafazer
yeti_c wrote:HAWK79 wrote:i personally dont think you should make a map about an ongoing war because being part of a military family i know it would offend me and should offend any other person on this site that has a loved one currently serving over seas or has a loved one that has given his life for the war. (i am a part of both groups i have immediate family currently serving in iraq and i had two very close friends killed when the war first started)
Over 62 million people died in WW2... yet we have maps for that...
C.
And I think prbably EVERYONE alive has had family or freands of family who died in bouth of the World Wars...
Wars will be a fack of life untill stupid polotitions work out that it's just not worth it... which they never will...
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:23 pm
by mibi
Coleman wrote:I still encourage the adjacent rule.
I hear what your saying... but this map is still only in the foundry proper, it needs to languish in the FF for a while before it goes live... so it may be weeks/months out. In this time the xml may be updated or not. Iam not so sure we need to rush a solution in for the map to just sit around the Final Forge forever.
Of course if the xml update is several monthes out, thats a different story... but only the might lack knows...
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:15 pm
by Coleman
I encourage the adjacent rule because I think the gameplay would be better that way, but we can wait again if you want.
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:52 pm
by mibi
Coleman wrote:I encourage the adjacent rule because I think the gameplay would be better that way, but we can wait again if you want.
I think it would be unduly hard to obtain the bonuses, especially in the beginning. You could hold 9 Mahdi loyalty but receive no bonus because they are not adjacent. It will be hard enough to get 4 cities with 4-5 other players in the mix, but too if they have to be adjacent, me thinks.
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:11 pm
by moomaster2000
Why is the legend like half the map?
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:52 am
by yamahafazer
moomaster2000 wrote:Why is the legend like half the map?
It's probably the loyalty boxes that your looking at... I had truble with it when I first saw the map too but I understand it now... It's not achualy part of the legend... it's part of the map and a main part of the bones sistem...