Conquer Club

safariguy5 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

edocsil wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:And Edocsil my conjecture is far from pointless.

If I picked 7 players at random I could say the exact same thing. So I guess I really don't see what can be drawn from that statement.

There is a difference between picking 7 people at random and picking from a pool of players who may have a vested interest in eagleblade dieing.

It certianly is a stronger base to work from then what we have so far and makes more sense then tryng to figure out if "glowing words" and solitary figures means anything.

Take it or leave it.

Ionno, the problem with eagle is that just about everyone who played with him has come away with a bad experience. So it could be that people just voted him regardless of what alignment the voters were.

It would also make it safer to vote for him, so like everything, its how one chooses to look at it.

I dont wish to beat a dead horse

Fair enough. So is anyone going to make a case? Mine just got ignored.

edocsil wrote:Fair enough. So is anyone going to make a case? Mine just got ignored.

Yes you did. You voted jgordon. I didnt mean to hijack your case. I do find it odd he hasn't responded in his defense.

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jgordon1111 wrote:Not trying to fly under any radar Edoc,just learning a little caution from previous games, if I dont understand the situation I try not to jump to far. I.e, the dreamer never seen it before and thats why I missed the possible reference in the scene.

But my thought is if this role is correct it will be the one that needs to be protected.

And I think the best way is for them to stay in the background as much as possible. let others ask the questions.

Now having said that where can I reference what that role is, and what it does so I can understand what is going on.

Skim much IB?

Apparently there is a considerable amount of just skiming going on. Or bandwagon one or the other and that looks scummy to me.Vote BG

Leehar wrote:

jgordon1111 wrote:Not trying to fly under any radar Edoc,just learning a little caution from previous games, if I dont understand the situation I try not to jump to far. I.e, the dreamer never seen it before and thats why I missed the possible reference in the scene.

But my thought is if this role is correct it will be the one that needs to be protected.

And I think the best way is for them to stay in the background as much as possible. let others ask the questions.

Now having said that where can I reference what that role is, and what it does so I can understand what is going on.

Skim much IB?

Guilty...I will admit I lose track of what was said at times. I was busy in my own head with my own ideas, (IE probobilities) that I forgot I had read through it already.

With that said, while I dont feel edocil has a particularly strong case, Edocil beleives does. I was not ready to Vote one way or the other.
I now however feel comfortable putting pressure on Jgordon as he just did a blatent OMGUS on Brain.
Vote Jgordon

Vote Count

Jgordon111 (3) - edocsil, BGtheBrain, Iron Butterfly L-3
BGtheBrain (1) - Jgordon

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

I'd like to hear a claim.

vote jgordon

LoL you can forget me claiming or pressuring me, Edoc you knew better than to try it,hmmm. I will take the hit for town rather than claim on D2

What exactly was your reason for voting Brain?

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He jumped on the bus behind you, You skimmed in my mind he did worse, He voted for me because you and Edoc did. Edoc said he put his vote on me for flying under the radar LOL, No no no. I think Edoc realized from before how I will play, and used that as a possible lynch tactic. I never fly under the radar. Very active every game,when something is going on.

I knew what case Edoc was reffering to I just wanted to see who got behind him and their reasons.

And so you know IB, I am finding it hard to imagine you skimming.

jgordon1111 wrote:He jumped on the bus behind you, You skimmed in my mind he did worse, He voted for me because you and Edoc did. Edoc said he put his vote on me for flying under the radar LOL, No no no. I think Edoc realized from before how I will play, and used that as a possible lynch tactic. I never fly under the radar. Very active every game,when something is going on.

I knew what case Edoc was reffering to I just wanted to see who got behind him and their reasons.

And so you know IB, I am finding it hard to imagine you skimming.

I personly feel skimming is over rated unless it is done habitually in the same game. In my opinion people tend use it to create suspicion on someone without really having anything solid. I created a thread in Mafia forums raising such an issue.

I will give you advice I gave another player and try to play by, which is not always easy. Just because you know you are town does not mean anyone else does.

You are saying you would rather be lynched and turn up town then claim. As BG pointed out you act as if you are above standard Mafia protocal. Please explain how this would help Town if you really are town.

I said earlier I did not beleive Edocil had a strong case. At this point his case is not what is hurting you. How you choose to respond in your defense is now what makes you suspect.

jgordon1111 wrote:He jumped on the bus behind you, You skimmed in my mind he did worse, He voted for me because you and Edoc did. Edoc said he put his vote on me for flying under the radar LOL, No no no. I think Edoc realized from before how I will play, and used that as a possible lynch tactic. I never fly under the radar. Very active every game,when something is going on.

I knew what case Edoc was reffering to I just wanted to see who got behind him and their reasons.

And so you know IB, I am finding it hard to imagine you skimming.

Very active. Little said was useful. Common for scum looking to appear protown without actually attempting to contribute.

Thank you for the advise IB, I know most of you are veteran players. Therefore rather than try to cleverly hint at who I am, I will choose the tactic I figure is best, which in this instance is not to claim. Edoc knew his case was weak and figured if enough people pushed I would be forced into claiming. No thank you.

jgordon1111 wrote:Thank you for the advise IB, I know most of you are veteran players. Therefore rather than try to cleverly hint at who I am, I will choose the tactic I figure is best, which in this instance is not to claim. Edoc knew his case was weak and figured if enough people pushed I would be forced into claiming. No thank you.

Why would not claiming be best?

claiming would be bad if he had something to hide

Ok I wont claim,forget it.

But edoc's whole case against me in the begining was me flying under the radar not enough post's then posting with no substance.

My post this game 30
edoc 30
IB 30
Name 17
Saf 16
MoB 21
Leehar 11
skillful 14
C9 5
dueces 3
BG 7

Day 1 during joke vote, Edoc stepped out and said no joke burn the heritic vote jgordon
when I said he needed to explain his response was lolz

Now everyone that thinks he has the case keep your vote right where it is or call Edoc out on his scummy reactions

jgordon1111 wrote:Thank you for the advise IB, I know most of you are veteran players. Therefore rather than try to cleverly hint at who I am, I will choose the tactic I figure is best, which in this instance is not to claim. Edoc knew his case was weak and figured if enough people pushed I would be forced into claiming. No thank you.

This statement actually puts more suspicion on you I think than not claiming at all. I will not vote as of yet. But if we need some more pressure my vote will come.

jgordon1111 wrote:Ok I wont claim,forget it.

But edoc's whole case against me in the begining was me flying under the radar not enough post's then posting with no substance.

My post this game 30
edoc 30
IB 30
Name 17
Saf 16
MoB 21
Leehar 11
skillful 14
C9 5
dueces 3
BG 7

Day 1 during joke vote, Edoc stepped out and said no joke burn the heritic vote jgordon
when I said he needed to explain his response was lolz

Now everyone that thinks he has the case keep your vote right where it is or call Edoc out on his scummy reactions

Yes you may be one of the players that posts the most, but flying under the radar can be considered a couple different things.
Posting a lot with little substance could be considered, it makes you look active but you really don't have much info to help build a case or have your own.
Then their is posting just enough to keep the prods out, while having enough info to make you seem a little useful (posting about every other page or so, but this obviously depends on game size)

Also this "OK I won't claim, forget it." seems to me like you are scared to claim, and that you are whining about the case rather than trying to defend yourself properly, and/or building a case to look at instead, especially one that has a bit more behind it than edoc's.

If anyone would care to read what I have posted I by no means am or was trying to fly under the radar.

So my case is that Edoc is calling me out without a good case. One of two reasons he is scum or He is fishing.

And considering he knows how I play, It leads me to believe he is scum.

And I called BG on voting me, for following the leader if he had actually read what was going on he wouldnt have cast the safe scum vote in the third position. He would have waited for 5th

jgordon1111 wrote:If anyone would care to read what I have posted I by no means am or was trying to fly under the radar.

So my case is that Edoc is calling me out without a good case. One of two reasons he is scum or He is fishing.

And considering he knows how I play, It leads me to believe he is scum.

And I called BG on voting me, for following the leader if he had actually read what was going on he wouldnt have cast the safe scum vote in the third position. He would have waited for 5th

You make alot of assumptions thinking they come across as fact. When did Edocil become such an expert on your playing style?
He is suppose to have the ability to determine if you or Town or mafia based on how many games played together?

weather one votes 3rd or 5th does not dictate weather thay are scum or Town.

You have not answered the question how if you are forced to claim, being lynched would be the better option then claiming. If you could answer that to my satisfaction in a logical way I would reconsider my vote.

I'm confused by your apparent refusal to claim. All you've really said as defense (and rehashed several times now) is that you think edoc is wrong about whether you've been "active" or not. That said, I see no reason for town to not claim. I can understand if a power role like a doc would want to fakeclaim another town role to deflect blame, but I don't see how any townie could decide not to claim and believe that helps town.

Edoc having a weak non existent case is not enough to make me claim when there are actually players flying under the radar. And if the consensus is that Edoc knows what he is doing lynch me.

jgordon1111 wrote:Edoc having a weak non existent case is not enough to make me claim when there are actually players flying under the radar. And if the consensus is that Edoc knows what he is doing lynch me.

Your speaking but you are not listening.

I fully agree you are posting a lot. The thing is you are posting large volumes while saying little. That is the whole point of my argument.

You are acting beyond foolishly, whether you are town or scum.