Conquer Club

Titanic wrote:Its not "badmouthing" your country, its legimate criticism. European nations also have flaws and I'll point them out if needs be. Oh, and the joke about all the atrocities you commit, it was a crack at the vast amount of allies and civilians you somehow manage to kill in every war we go to.

Symmetry wrote:Is this the site that has a pro-wrestler as an expert on economics?

I think it is.

lgoasklucyl wrote:Don't expect sympathy in the media when shit like this, this, Blackwater, etc... happens regularly enough to be on the news weekly.

jsholty4690 wrote:Semper Fi, my brother is a Marine sergeant in Afghanistan right now. All of our servicemen and women are the true heroes of the U.S.

Evil Semp wrote:

Titanic wrote:Its not "badmouthing" your country, its legimate criticism. European nations also have flaws and I'll point them out if needs be. Oh, and the joke about all the atrocities you commit, it was a crack at the vast amount of allies and civilians you somehow manage to kill in every war we go to.

Lets not forget the civilians who died on 9/11. Or don't their lives count because the are Americans?

How many of the civilian deaths are caused by car bombs or insurgents firing from homes with the families held hostage inside? How many lives of Iraq have been saved since we went over there?

Yes in war their will always be casualties of civilians and allies. Those instances should be investigated and prosecuted if needed. Just remember propaganda is used by both sides.

As bad as yo might think the USA is, I would be willing to bet that if it wasn't for the USA the out come of WWII might have been different and you might not have the freedom to voice your opinion. Don't thank the USA, but do thank all the service men and women from all over the world that died to give you that freedom.

DirtyDishSoap wrote:Wow, an actual person who gives a shit, im shocked and awed.

Burrito wrote:@neotony-
The simple fact is: YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT IS IS LIKE TO BE IN A FIGHT FOR YOUR LIFE! Yes, shit happens in war. I'm sure some of the stories are true, that American soldiers have killed some civilians, very rarely even on purpose. You attempt to show us proof, and one article you give us simply refutes your point, because there was no way that those Marines purposely killed those civilians in that truck. The other is from some backwards Afghan goat herder with a thirty year old camera, with little proof other than dead bodies and eyewitness reports (which are some of the least reliable forms of testimony around).

Titanic wrote:

Evil Semp wrote:

Titanic wrote:Its not "badmouthing" your country, its legimate criticism. European nations also have flaws and I'll point them out if needs be. Oh, and the joke about all the atrocities you commit, it was a crack at the vast amount of allies and civilians you somehow manage to kill in every war we go to.

Lets not forget the civilians who died on 9/11. Or don't their lives count because the are Americans?

How many of the civilian deaths are caused by car bombs or insurgents firing from homes with the families held hostage inside? How many lives of Iraq have been saved since we went over there?

Yes in war their will always be casualties of civilians and allies. Those instances should be investigated and prosecuted if needed. Just remember propaganda is used by both sides.

As bad as yo might think the USA is, I would be willing to bet that if it wasn't for the USA the out come of WWII might have been different and you might not have the freedom to voice your opinion. Don't thank the USA, but do thank all the service men and women from all over the world that died to give you that freedom.

When the fck did I say anything against 9/11? Do you want to put anymore words into my mouth?

I agree that civilian and ally casualties are inevitable, but it seems that the USA makes a hell of alot more of these mistakes then any other nation. Add onto this that when you do kill British troops you refuse to release the videos and surveillance to the coroner and British Army even though you just killed one of their troops. Also even if the USA did not join WWII I would still have freedom because we won the Battle of Britain without your help, you never liberated us.

DirtyDishSoap wrote:Once again you prove that you're a retard.
For example, my step mother has been around military all of her life and she still can barely understand anything militatry wise. So lets compare...23 vs 45...Hmm...
I have never claimed any "fame" here nor have I ever said "Im fighting for you, I demand your respect, Arg!" where as you respect the hardasses who've "supposably" seen it all. Whatever, you're an idiot. The only thing ive been argueing here are the f*ck nuts like Jay who spew bullshit, or people that live in America who talk trash about their own country. Its called patriotism, look it up. If you dont like living here, move to fuckin South Africa, good luck there.
You've totally taken both my little "I hate people who talk trash about America/9-11" out of the wrong. As of makeing the military look like pansies? Seriously? Merely signing a contract during a time of war says enough about one persons character, in my point of view at least. I dont know what Tyr has done either, but he sure as shit has done more then you.
Grow a brain, fag.

Tyr wrote:im a united states marine and i happen to hate hear everyone bad mouth not only our country but specifically accusing marines and soldiers of atrocities that for one go against everything ive ever learned in the corps

anyone care to vent?

zodiak wrote:First of all the U.S is doing the brunt of the fighting so naturally more "mistakes" would be made by our forces,when's the last time the Brits spearheaded any major operation?

And who supported the Brits during the blitz after your allies collapsed during WW2?So you would have survived it without our logistic support?And without any additional support you would have stopped Operation Sealion,remember you had little left after Dunkirk.And i suppose invading Normandy would have been possible without us as well(LMAO)

You'd be speaking German now you idiot if it were not for us,so don't downplay it moron.
What kind of history do they teach in Britain now days,some sort of liberal fantasy version?

zodiak wrote:First of all the U.S is doing the brunt of the fighting so naturally more "mistakes" would be made by our forces,when's the last time the Brits spearheaded any major operation?

Snorri1234 wrote:

zodiak wrote:First of all the U.S is doing the brunt of the fighting so naturally more "mistakes" would be made by our forces,when's the last time the Brits spearheaded any major operation?

The fact that you say "mistakes" probably means you don't give a f*ck if innocent Iraqis die.

Titanic wrote:

zodiak wrote:First of all the U.S is doing the brunt of the fighting so naturally more "mistakes" would be made by our forces,when's the last time the Brits spearheaded any major operation?

And who supported the Brits during the blitz after your allies collapsed during WW2?So you would have survived it without our logistic support?And without any additional support you would have stopped Operation Sealion,remember you had little left after Dunkirk.And i suppose invading Normandy would have been possible without us as well(LMAO)

You'd be speaking German now you idiot if it were not for us,so don't downplay it moron.
What kind of history do they teach in Britain now days,some sort of liberal fantasy version?

Sierra Leone was probably the last time and that was a resounding success. Also, hardly anyone fights by themselves anymore as its more about international coalition and alliances. In Afghanistan and Iraq there was/is considerable British involvement and how many times have you heard of US troops being killed by British forces, or indiscriminate killing of civilians by British forces? Also, you haven't answered my other point - how is it right that the USA holds back video evidence from their planes and other surveillance after they kill British troops even though the MoD and coroners ask for that evidence to determine what exactly happened when the solider was killed?

The USA was not involved in the war during the Battle of Britain. Our supplies came from Nova Scotia and Halifax, and the only international help came come participating countries such as Canada, India and fleeing Polish and French forces. Normandy has nothing to do with my point. It was said that we would not have survived WWII which is not true (the victory in the Battle of Britain prevented Operation Sealion and any other German invasion plans), whilst D-Day and so on liberated continental Europe (a point which I made earlier if you read my post properly). Also, by your assertion that we'd be speaking German by now is complete rubbish, we would actually be speaking Russian as it was the USSR which did more then anyone else to defeat Nazi Germany, not the UK or USA.

Finally, a liberal fantasy version of history? I think I can speak confidently in saying that WWII history taught in Britain is much more unbiased and realistic then the patriotic crap taught in US schools.

angola wrote:
All Americans should support all troops, no matter which party they belong to.

I would like the war to end, doesn't mean I don't appreciate what our troops are doing over there.

I would just like to bring them home.

That said, good luck to the Conquer Club members who are fighting. I wish you a safe return to your families.

I think you're retarded; you think I'm retarded.

72o wrote:

Snorri1234 wrote:

zodiak wrote:First of all the U.S is doing the brunt of the fighting so naturally more "mistakes" would be made by our forces,when's the last time the Brits spearheaded any major operation?

The fact that you say "mistakes" probably means you don't give a f*ck if innocent Iraqis die.

One of the marines stated earlier in this thread that they are taught very specific protocols on how and when to use force. If you have to make a split second decision about firing on a speeding car approaching a checkpoint, or an individual carrying a suspected IED, and you follow the protocol and kill a civilian or group of civilians, it's not a mistake. You are performing the actions that your training prepared you for. The training is designed to minimize the threat to the soldiers and civilians. Note that minimize does not mean eliminate.

Me personally, if I was to make that decision, and it's a potential "him or me" situation, it's going to be him. I would have absolutely no qualms about splattering someone all over the sidewalk if I thought he was endangering me or any of my fellow soldiers. If it turns out that that person was innocent, oh well. He should know better than to speed towards my checkpoint, or throw down his backpack near me.

Lucky for all you liberals, I'm not out there. But I'm damn glad that there are Americans out there on my behalf, so I can sit here on my ass and bullshit on the internet. I'm also glad they are protecting (sometimes at the expense of their own lives) your right to bitch and moan about how they don't do it how you would like. I may prefer that you use your right to free speech to speak upon their service more positively, but, you can't always get your way.

Titanic wrote:

Evil Semp wrote:

Titanic wrote:Its not "badmouthing" your country, its legimate criticism. European nations also have flaws and I'll point them out if needs be. Oh, and the joke about all the atrocities you commit, it was a crack at the vast amount of allies and civilians you somehow manage to kill in every war we go to.

Lets not forget the civilians who died on 9/11. Or don't their lives count because the are Americans?

How many of the civilian deaths are caused by car bombs or insurgents firing from homes with the families held hostage inside? How many lives of Iraq have been saved since we went over there?

Yes in war their will always be casualties of civilians and allies. Those instances should be investigated and prosecuted if needed. Just remember propaganda is used by both sides.

As bad as yo might think the USA is, I would be willing to bet that if it wasn't for the USA the out come of WWII might have been different and you might not have the freedom to voice your opinion. Don't thank the USA, but do thank all the service men and women from all over the world that died to give you that freedom.

When the fck did I say anything against 9/11? Do you want to put anymore words into my mouth?

I agree that civilian and ally casualties are inevitable, but it seems that the USA makes a hell of alot more of these mistakes then any other nation. Add onto this that when you do kill British troops you refuse to release the videos and surveillance to the coroner and British Army even though you just killed one of their troops. Also even if the USA did not join WWII I would still have freedom because we won the Battle of Britain without your help, you never liberated us.

joecoolfrog wrote:

72o wrote:

Snorri1234 wrote:

zodiak wrote:First of all the U.S is doing the brunt of the fighting so naturally more "mistakes" would be made by our forces,when's the last time the Brits spearheaded any major operation?

The fact that you say "mistakes" probably means you don't give a f*ck if innocent Iraqis die.

One of the marines stated earlier in this thread that they are taught very specific protocols on how and when to use force. If you have to make a split second decision about firing on a speeding car approaching a checkpoint, or an individual carrying a suspected IED, and you follow the protocol and kill a civilian or group of civilians, it's not a mistake. You are performing the actions that your training prepared you for. The training is designed to minimize the threat to the soldiers and civilians. Note that minimize does not mean eliminate.

Me personally, if I was to make that decision, and it's a potential "him or me" situation, it's going to be him. I would have absolutely no qualms about splattering someone all over the sidewalk if I thought he was endangering me or any of my fellow soldiers. If it turns out that that person was innocent, oh well. He should know better than to speed towards my checkpoint, or throw down his backpack near me.

Lucky for all you liberals, I'm not out there. But I'm damn glad that there are Americans out there on my behalf, so I can sit here on my ass and bullshit on the internet. I'm also glad they are protecting (sometimes at the expense of their own lives) your right to bitch and moan about how they don't do it how you would like. I may prefer that you use your right to free speech to speak upon their service more positively, but, you can't always get your way.

You are avoiding the fact that the US military have shot up and killed clearly identified Allied troops and the soldiers/airmen responsible have then been shielded from the consequences of their action. The fact is that US forces ( like ever other military force ) have their fair share of incompetents and those who are physchologically ill equiped for war. It's completely absurd to suggest, as a number of people here have, that every single marine is a well drilled , couragious, fighting machine .

Burrito wrote:*snorts derisively* you are right, you won the Battle of Britain mostly by yourself, with little help from the U.S. However, how long do you think your little island could stand up against the combined resources of mainland Europe and Northern Africa? Even if we didn't send actual troops, you would still need the supplies that we supplied to you simply to survive. Without our help, there was no way you could continue to withstand German offensives into your country. They would eventually surround you, and starve you out.

There is no reason that you would be speaking Russian, because that would require Russian conquest of Britain. The Russians were your allies during the second part of the war, and I doubt they could have conquered Germany without help, much less Germany then Britain.

Evil Semp wrote:I never put word in your mouth. I just brought up the fact that American civilians have died, a fact that usually gets left out. Liberated you no, but how long would Britain have been able to hold out on her own?

Titanic wrote:

Burrito wrote:*snorts derisively* you are right, you won the Battle of Britain mostly by yourself, with little help from the U.S. However, how long do you think your little island could stand up against the combined resources of mainland Europe and Northern Africa? Even if we didn't send actual troops, you would still need the supplies that we supplied to you simply to survive. Without our help, there was no way you could continue to withstand German offensives into your country. They would eventually surround you, and starve you out.

There is no reason that you would be speaking Russian, because that would require Russian conquest of Britain. The Russians were your allies during the second part of the war, and I doubt they could have conquered Germany without help, much less Germany then Britain.

Evil Semp wrote:I never put word in your mouth. I just brought up the fact that American civilians have died, a fact that usually gets left out. Liberated you no, but how long would Britain have been able to hold out on her own?

The Battle of Britain was won without US help. None of the supplies we received came from US ports, they came from Halifax and Nova Scotia as Canada was a true ally and actually did a huge amount for the war effort for a great sacrifice. The main reason that the Luftwaffe lost was because of their strategy change in mid to late September, and after that the RAF beat back the assaults and won the battle. After that all German plans for invasion were scrapped as no invasion could take place without air superiority. From then on the only way Germany could hurt British homeland was through its U-Boats in the Atlantic (which did huge amounts of damage), but after the implementation of conveys and the cracking of Enigma Britain had enough strength and intelligence to get supplies through from Canada and the Empire to continue to operate. I know we would never have spoken Russia, but was just rebutting your arguament saying we would be speaking German by mentioning that Russia actually was the main reason the 3rd Reich failed and if we did speak German at a time, by the end we would be speaking Russian.

Beleive me, 9/11 is still gives a raw feeling to me, but I don't really think there are that many people who have forgotten about it, its just that different people think that there are different ways to deal with it.