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Re: Fred, who else will stand up for whats right?
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:02 pm
by the.killing.44
hwhrhett wrote:or did you forget that repeat offenders get larger punishments? its always been this way....
But he didn't "offend" any rules. I've said it before — just because he had "offended" the rules in the past doesn't mean that something not against the rules can become an offense.
lanyards wrote:I have accepted that he's not coming back, no matter how much we complain.
Yeah.
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Re: Fred, who else will stand up for whats right?
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:09 pm
by kennys777
reckedracing wrote:If we don't all voice our concerns about the banning of fred over some nonsense excuses then who will stand up for us when we get banned?
If we can now be banned over curses in game chat, then I think any of the regulars here can receive a permanent website vacation whenever the mods or admins chose.
I also have to question the legality of such a website operating in the united states where freedom of speech is guaranteed to all citizens.
International, national and regional standards recognize that freedom of speech, as one form of freedom of expression, applies to any medium, including the Internet.
When they came for Fred, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
When they came for codeblue, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
When they came fo
r stunna, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
When they came for bruceswar, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
When they came for aeromate, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
When they came for
demonfork, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
And when they came for me, no one stood up, because there was no one left.
This site is here because of paying customers like you and me.
I feel we all have a say in any abuses of power the site mods or admins may attempt to pull on us as a community.
Poor examples, the highlighted names are on my foes list. I can agree with the cursing, but I am sure there is a lot more to it than that. Freedom of Speech is only protected if it is not considered inciting violence or riots. Sometimes cursing in the wrong context can incite more rhetoric. I highly doubt this is the case, but I just wanted to clarify our "Freedom of Speech" in America.
Re: Fred, who else will stand up for whats right?
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:18 pm
by JOHNNYROCKET24
Renegades wrote: Johnny get the f*ck out of this topic. We're not interested in your silly comments.On topic: Agreed completely
are you sure about that ? The original post complains about free speech and now im not permitted to speak. Oh the irony from problem players on this site. Please mods. Keep banning them all !
Re: Fred, who else will stand up for whats right?
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:20 pm
by JOHNNYROCKET24
lanyards wrote:I think pretty much most people who are going to disagree with the disciplinary action that was taken have already stated their opinion in the original thread that accused FredVIII of "cheating" (mild swearing). 80+% of the people posting there were coming to his defense, and many more can go say that they think it was wrong, and I doubt it will have any effect. How often do you think the administration is going to admit that they made a bad call, when it isn't necessary that they do so?
If FredVIII/Jeff Hardy has already cheated and abused the site enough for the admins to give him a permanent-site ban, then it should have been done before he was accused of "not breaking the rules." Abuse plus not abuse doesn't make the first abuse any worse.
I have accepted that he's not coming back, no matter how much we complain.
80% = the majority of the problem players we have here.
Re: Fred, who else will stand up for whats right?
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:34 pm
by reckedracing
you have stunna foed of all people?
really?
one of the nicest guys on this site
he'll be the first to tell you off if you messed up, but he's overall a nice guy
don't know too many higher rank people that won't give you their 2 cents if you mess a game up
Re: Fred, who else will stand up for whats right?
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:38 pm
by thegreekdog
kennys777 wrote:Freedom of Speech is only protected if it is not considered inciting violence or riots. Sometimes cursing in the wrong context can incite more rhetoric. I highly doubt this is the case, but I just wanted to clarify our "Freedom of Speech" in America.
As far as I know Conquerclub is not a government-run website. Therefore, freedom of speech rules (in the constitutional context) do not apply to it. In other words, the owner of this site can do whatever he wants. He can say that no one is allowed to use the term "stuff" if he wants.
Re: Fred, who else will stand up for whats right?
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:30 pm
by thezepman
JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:thezepman wrote:JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:thezepman sending secret PM's to players and asking for deplomacy is trival?
complete utter freaken bullshit Johnny!
get your facts straight before you make false accusations!
enjoy the read. just check out the mods responses
viewtopic.php?f=239&t=83180&p=1949191&hilit=thezepman#p1949191
Johnny, are you really that dumb? I did not private message anyone trying to conduct secret diplomacies you tool. What i did was conduct diplomacy with a player by posting on he's wall and announcing it on team chat. There is nothing secret about that nor does it involve private messages.
Im glad that the mods made it clear that i cannot write on anyone's wall proposing strategy.
At the time, i was unaware of the line "Any form of diplomatic discussion between opponents must be posted in the game chat in English or in a language that all opponents understand." Which can be found under Rule #2.
Nor was i aware of the fact that...
Optimus Prime wrote:At the request of lancehoch, I'm here to verify that all communication between players regarding in-game diplomacy MUST occur within the game chat box. Anything outside of that is considered secret-diplomacy and thereby constitutes cheating.
Regards,
Optimus Prime
If anything its called a minor infringement. The accusation was ruled as noted for future reference.
Johnny... screw off with your false accusations! You dumbass Troll!
Re: Fred, who else will stand up for whats right?
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:31 pm
by lanyards
JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:lanyards wrote:I think pretty much most people who are going to disagree with the disciplinary action that was taken have already stated their opinion in the original thread that accused FredVIII of "cheating" (mild swearing). 80+% of the people posting there were coming to his defense, and many more can go say that they think it was wrong, and I doubt it will have any effect. How often do you think the administration is going to admit that they made a bad call, when it isn't necessary that they do so?
If FredVIII/Jeff Hardy has already cheated and abused the site enough for the admins to give him a permanent-site ban, then it should have been done before he was accused of "not breaking the rules." Abuse plus not abuse doesn't make the first abuse any worse.
I have accepted that he's not coming back, no matter how much we complain.
80% = the majority of the problem players we have here.
What would you consider a "problem player"?
Re: Fred, who else will stand up for whats right?
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:38 pm
by reckedracing
apparently all of us lany
not sure how i became a problem player but ooh well
i thought JR was one of the more upstanding people on this site
but to lay out blanket judgments on people?
not so cool
Re: Fred, who else will stand up for whats right?
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:44 pm
by lanyards
Is [player]Bruceswar[/player] a "problem player"? How about [player]coded[/player], [player]tyche73[/player], [player]Witt13[/player], [player]Masli[/player], [player]the.killing.44[/player], [player]lozzini[/player], [player]jarrett155[/player], [player]king sam[/player], [player]nagerous[/player], [player]The1exile[/player], [player]a.sub[/player], [player]slowreactor[/player], [player]Deathwind[/player], [player]jefjef[/player], [player]apb23[/player], [player]Mr Changsha[/player], [player]Artimis[/player], [player]murphy16[/player], [player]reckedracing[/player], or myself? You sir, JR24, I would consider more of a "problem player" then most everybody on there.
Re: Fred, who else will stand up for whats right?
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:53 pm
by JOHNNYROCKET24
lanyards wrote:Is [player]Bruceswar[/player] a "problem player"? How about [player]coded[/player], [player]tyche73[/player], [player]Witt13[/player], [player]Masli[/player], [player]the.killing.44[/player], [player]lozzini[/player], [player]jarrett155[/player], [player]king sam[/player], [player]nagerous[/player], [player]The1exile[/player], [player]a.sub[/player], [player]slowreactor[/player], [player]Deathwind[/player], [player]jefjef[/player], [player]apb23[/player], [player]Mr Changsha[/player], [player]Artimis[/player], [player]murphy16[/player], [player]reckedracing[/player], or myself? You sir, JR24, I would consider more of a "problem player" then most everybody on there.
lol...your a busted multi.
Re: Fred, who else will stand up for whats right?
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:56 pm
by JOHNNYROCKET24
thezepman wrote:JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:thezepman wrote:JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:thezepman sending secret PM's to players and asking for deplomacy is trival?
complete utter freaken bullshit Johnny!
get your facts straight before you make false accusations!
enjoy the read. just check out the mods responses
viewtopic.php?f=239&t=83180&p=1949191&hilit=thezepman#p1949191
Johnny, are you really that dumb? I did not private message anyone trying to conduct secret diplomacies you tool. What i did was conduct diplomacy with a player by posting on he's wall and announcing it on team chat. There is nothing secret about that nor does it involve private messages.
Im glad that the mods made it clear that i cannot write on anyone's wall proposing strategy.
At the time, i was unaware of the line "Any form of diplomatic discussion between opponents must be posted in the game chat in English or in a language that all opponents understand." Which can be found under Rule #2.
Nor was i aware of the fact that...
Optimus Prime wrote:At the request of lancehoch, I'm here to verify that all communication between players regarding in-game diplomacy MUST occur within the game chat box. Anything outside of that is considered secret-diplomacy and thereby constitutes cheating.
Regards,
Optimus Prime
If anything its called a minor infringement. The accusation was ruled as noted for future reference.
Johnny... screw off with your false accusations! You dumbass Troll!
I must have misread the thread. many apoligies
Re: Fred, who else will stand up for whats right?
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:00 pm
by thezepman
JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:I must have misread the thread. many apoligies
At least your man enough to admit your wrong and apologize for doing so. Regained some of the respect youve lost... If I over reacted then I also apologize.
Re: Fred, who else will stand up for whats right?
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:12 pm
by tyche73
lanyards wrote:Is [player]Bruceswar[/player] a "problem player"? How about [player]coded[/player], [player]tyche73[/player], [player]Witt13[/player], [player]Masli[/player], [player]the.killing.44[/player], [player]lozzini[/player], [player]jarrett155[/player], [player]king sam[/player], [player]nagerous[/player], [player]The1exile[/player], [player]a.sub[/player], [player]slowreactor[/player], [player]Deathwind[/player], [player]jefjef[/player], [player]apb23[/player], [player]Mr Changsha[/player], [player]Artimis[/player], [player]murphy16[/player], [player]reckedracing[/player], or myself? You sir, JR24, I would consider more of a "problem player" then most everybody on there.
wtf you bringing me into this for???
i only have 3 accounts
ps. free fred
Re: Fred, who else will stand up for whats right?
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:38 pm
by niMic
reckedracing wrote:When they came for Fred, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
When they came for codeblue, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
When they came for stunna, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
When they came for bruceswar, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
When they came for aeromate, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
When they came for demonfork, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
And when they came for me, no one stood up, because there was no one left.
This is
incredibly vulgar. Yes, I can see how the mods
possibly (but not necessarily) being bit harsh on a player on an online RISK forum is a lot like the way the Nazis in turn violently dealt with all the political, cultural and religious groups that opposed them.
Fucking hell.
Re: Fred, who else will stand up for whats right?
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:45 pm
by lanyards
JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:lanyards wrote:Is [player]Bruceswar[/player] a "problem player"? How about [player]coded[/player], [player]tyche73[/player], [player]Witt13[/player], [player]Masli[/player], [player]the.killing.44[/player], [player]lozzini[/player], [player]jarrett155[/player], [player]king sam[/player], [player]nagerous[/player], [player]The1exile[/player], [player]a.sub[/player], [player]slowreactor[/player], [player]Deathwind[/player], [player]jefjef[/player], [player]apb23[/player], [player]Mr Changsha[/player], [player]Artimis[/player], [player]murphy16[/player], [player]reckedracing[/player], or myself? You sir, JR24, I would consider more of a "problem player" then most everybody on there.
lol...your a busted multi.
Am I causing problems to this site?
Re: Fred, who else will stand up for whats right?
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:45 pm
by lanyards
JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:lanyards wrote:Is [player]Bruceswar[/player] a "problem player"? How about [player]coded[/player], [player]tyche73[/player], [player]Witt13[/player], [player]Masli[/player], [player]the.killing.44[/player], [player]lozzini[/player], [player]jarrett155[/player], [player]king sam[/player], [player]nagerous[/player], [player]The1exile[/player], [player]a.sub[/player], [player]slowreactor[/player], [player]Deathwind[/player], [player]jefjef[/player], [player]apb23[/player], [player]Mr Changsha[/player], [player]Artimis[/player], [player]murphy16[/player], [player]reckedracing[/player], or myself? You sir, JR24, I would consider more of a "problem player" then most everybody on there.
lol...your a busted multi.
Again, fail to answer the clear point of the post...
Re: Fred, who else will stand up for whats right?
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:03 pm
by finchboy
niMic wrote:reckedracing wrote:When they came for Fred, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
When they came for codeblue, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
When they came for stunna, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
When they came for bruceswar, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
When they came for aeromate, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
When they came for demonfork, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
And when they came for me, no one stood up, because there was no one left.
This is
incredibly vulgar. Yes, I can see how the mods
possibly (but not necessarily) being bit harsh on a player on an online RISK forum is a lot like the way the Nazis in turn violently dealt with all the political, cultural and religious groups that opposed them.
Fucking hell.
This is the only sensible comment in the entire thread, save perhaps this...
lanyards wrote:I have accepted that he's not coming back, no matter how much we complain.
The kid was a pain, now he's gone, I have yet to hear the stomp of the SS on the street, nor I have I heard the cry of a people whose basic human rights and freedoms have been taken away. All I hear is the quiet click of the mouse as I play my silly internet game. Grow up people.
Re: Fred, who else will stand up for whats right?
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:46 pm
by owenshooter
they just came for dancing mustard...-0
Re: Fred, who else will stand up for whats right?
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:17 pm
by hwhrhett
owenshooter wrote:they just came for dancing mustard...-0
good!
Re: Fred, who else will stand up for whats right?
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 6:15 pm
by kennys777
reckedracing wrote:you have stunna foed of all people?
really?
one of the nicest guys on this site
he'll be the first to tell you off if you messed up, but he's overall a nice guy
don't know too many higher rank people that won't give you their 2 cents if you mess a game up
My bad, demonfork foed me, and stunna played poorly in speed games, so I don't join when he is in a game. Just clarifying. But maybe I am on his foes list too.
Re: Fred, who else will stand up for whats right?
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 7:01 pm
by Woodruff
reckedracing wrote:I also have to question the legality of such a website operating in the united states where freedom of speech is guaranteed to all citizens.
I'm sure someone has already pointed this out, but I just can't resist...freedom of speech in the United States has nothing at all to do with a private enterprise that receives no government funding. I'm pretty sure this website is a private enterprise that receives no government funding.
reckedracing wrote:to me this is the same as some noob being pissed off about me cursing them, they write a mod and i get a perma ban if it can happen to fred it CAN HAPPEN TO ANYONE OF US
Shouldn't that lead you to the behavior of not cursing them then? Wouldn't that resolve that particularly sticky situation for you? Is cursing at people more important to you than being able to play on this site?
reckedracing wrote:i edited my list 20 minutes before you even made a post you horses ass
and frankly i don't really give a shit about your opinion, nor do i care what those other people were accused of and did
With this sort of a defense in his name, how can Fred lose?
reckedracing wrote:hwhrhett wrote:and of course, as has always been the policy, repeated offenders will have their punishments ramped up accordingly.... much like xtratabasco's hate speech, took a long time for him to earn a full ban, but it did happen eventually...
or did you forget that repeat offenders get larger punishments? its always been this way....
your post count is half your game count
you obviously live on these forums
please go away
Wasn't it you that was just talking about freedom of speech? I guess in your mind that only applies to those who agree with you? So far, any disagreements with have been met with swearing and telling them to stay out of the thread.
Re: Fred, who else will stand up for whats right?
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 7:43 pm
by pimphawks70
niMic wrote:reckedracing wrote:When they came for Fred, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
When they came for codeblue, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
When they came for stunna, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
When they came for bruceswar, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
When they came for aeromate, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
When they came for demonfork, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
And when they came for me, no one stood up, because there was no one left.
This is
incredibly vulgar. Yes, I can see how the mods
possibly (but not necessarily) being bit harsh on a player on an online RISK forum is a lot like the way the Nazis in turn violently dealt with all the political, cultural and religious groups that opposed them.
Fucking hell.
I agree entirely. Here's the link to the real poem if some people didn't make the connection...
http://edhelper.com/poetry/The_Hangman_ ... _Ogden.htmTo appropriate CC to the Holocaust is extremely distasteful and inappropriate. Even as a joke I find it to be in very bad taste. Next time try to keep your "humor" at least at a "humane" level.
Re: Fred, who else will stand up for whats right?
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:20 pm
by niMic
pimphawks70 wrote:niMic wrote:reckedracing wrote:When they came for Fred, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
When they came for codeblue, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
When they came for stunna, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
When they came for bruceswar, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
When they came for aeromate, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
When they came for demonfork, no one stood up because it didn't affect them.
And when they came for me, no one stood up, because there was no one left.
This is
incredibly vulgar. Yes, I can see how the mods
possibly (but not necessarily) being bit harsh on a player on an online RISK forum is a lot like the way the Nazis in turn violently dealt with all the political, cultural and religious groups that opposed them.
Fucking hell.
I agree entirely. Here's the link to the real poem if some people didn't make the connection...
http://edhelper.com/poetry/The_Hangman_ ... _Ogden.htmTo appropriate CC to the Holocaust is extremely distasteful and inappropriate. Even as a joke I find it to be in very bad taste. Next time try to keep your "humor" at least at a "humane" level.
Not sure if you just copy pasted the wrong link, but it's actually
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...
"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
And then... they came for me... And by that time there was no one left to speak up."
That's the one the author prefers, anyway, there's quite a few versions going around.
But yeah, I find it incredible that he even
considered using a poem with such a connection to the Nazi purges, let alone actually using it in a very serious tone. I don't know whether it was intentional, or if he's just stupid, but seems to me that by using it he compared the mods to the Nazi's. I don't think I have to explain why that is ridiculous. Or maybe I do. I won't.
Re: Fred, who else will stand up for whats right?
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:27 pm
by demonfork
kennys777 wrote:reckedracing wrote:you have stunna foed of all people?
really?
one of the nicest guys on this site
he'll be the first to tell you off if you messed up, but he's overall a nice guy
don't know too many higher rank people that won't give you their 2 cents if you mess a game up
My bad, demonfork foed me, and stunna played poorly in speed games, so I don't join when he is in a game. Just clarifying. But maybe I am on his foes list too.
you are not now nor have you ever been on my foe list