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Re: Mafia in decline?
Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 4:04 pm
by pancakemix
Part of the time, the games were overly complex. Sure, we started newbie games, but right by them we had games like Madhouse that I didn't even comprehend. It became something beyond mafia, and that didn't really help them learn to play mafia. Then, we either wouldn't let them play for inexperience or they'd play, get confused, and leave. And when games like that are designed for 30 people, it doesn't work, they fail, and the community crumbles. That's why I left. That, and some people were just frustrating to play with.
Maybe if we organized ourselves, we could revitalize this community. I don't know how much help I could be, but I would help if my help were desired. Dumb it down a bit, avoid big games, and recruit new players and we can resurrect this community yet.
Re: Mafia in decline?
Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 6:42 pm
by pmchugh
Iliad wrote:pmchugh wrote:Iliad wrote:pmchugh wrote:. Another thing is the modding, there are not many games these days with big plots, intresting storylines and lots of mod input, the mod has lost the stroy-teller dimension IMO. The last game like this was Batman and I can say it was the funnest game I have played in recent times,
My games not judged worthy
What was the last game you hotsed?
Oh yeah the one I got a shit role and NK'ed day 1 along with everyone else
You were one of the what 6? To die in night 1. Out of like 36 people. By proportion that's quite good actually.
First off illy I was just joking calm down lol, your games are great when you live
And it was 10 out of 28 players (27 alive) that were killed, but it did suit the theme since there wasn't really any town.
Re: Mafia in decline?
Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 11:50 pm
by AceArtemis
We now have plenty of fresh games starting up, including a newbie game. This should help revive mafia as long as the games are active.
Re: Mafia in decline?
Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 10:12 am
by Minister Masket
I was considering taking a break from modding, but if my modding style is apparently popular, I'll continue making these sort of games.
Re: Mafia in decline?
Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 4:16 pm
by mandalorian2298
Hi guys. Nice to see that old CC Mafia forum is coming back to life. Last few times that I popped by to check how things are doing, I always found same three games active. I am glad that things are looking livelier now.
Concerning the topic of vet's departure, I guess it has to less to do with bannings/anti-administration sentiments and more to do with the fact that all of us CC Mafiosos have been spoiled during the CC Mafia Golden Age which begun (for me) with Autoload's Space Ship Mafia, begun to decline with Aimless' departure and ended when Talapus also left. The simple fact is that, despite the fact that they were and still are many great mods and players on CC, Aim and Tal were the only people who could almost guarantee a great game just by modding it or even by just participating in it. After they left, our collective efforts could be compared with the new SW trilogy: not bad, but far from the majesty of the old trilogy.
Then came the whole Wicked/Twill/Norse/whine/ban/leave affair, which caused many of the people to leave (myself included). But, the CC Mafia hasn't just been hurt by players leaving, it also suffered from many interesting posters (Wicked, Norse, Dancing Mustard etc.) leaving or being banned from the forums and it's a lot easier to keep a Mafia community active if the players are also provided with interesting discussion threads to post in while they are waiting for the other players to respond in the game thread. Back in the days, I loved to come here, post something in my game thread, check my Risk turns, then hit the Social Lounge and see what's going on and then come back to the Mafia forum to read the new posts. As the discussions became less imaginative, I started losing interest in Risk and, after Tal departed, in Mafia.
To conclude, if you really want to revive the CC Mafia, I suggest that you try and contribute more to the banter in the Social Lounge. Intelligent conversations attract intelligent new users, which can then be drugged, kidnapped and forced to play Mafia until they begin to like it
and eventually become good mafia players, or even good mods.
Or, as the wise farm animal said
:
sheepofdumb wrote:I'm actually up for it. I miss the glory days of mafia and off topic on this site. I need a site that still has the community we had here 2 years ago. When all was right in the world.
I know exactly what you mean, mate. The main reason why I keep coming to PoA is that great feeling of community: when you see familiar face (well avis anyway
) and you can speak freely with them. Our only real Mafia may not be a classic in making, but it does look like a step in the right direction (plus, playing with Wicked and Moz again feels like having traveled into the past
).
May the FOS be with you.
Re: Mafia in decline?
Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 7:43 am
by ga7
Heh nice to see some old faces chipping in. For me the decline of mafia happened for different reasons which I'll try to elaborate later; but the revitalization attempt of the beginning of the year pretty much failed and that wasn't very encouraging for some of us... I mean, many people putted lots of effort in making newbie games setups, advertize, etc and at the end? Very few newcomers actually sticked around and even Nate who could have been a nice addition to the community seems to have given it up already, making more inactive games in the process... I'm not sure what is needed right now besides active players. Well, I'm glad this topic popped up anyway as there's a fair bit of discussion and analyzing to do =)
Re: Mafia in decline?
Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 7:52 am
by pmchugh
What's worrying me is that no-one is signing up for the newbie game. I was going to start one but it doesn't seem to be working although at least it seems that more people are joining other games. Maybe we should start inviting intresting people from the off-topics forum?
Re: Mafia in decline?
Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 9:26 am
by nagerous
pmchugh wrote:What's worrying me is that no-one is signing up for the newbie game. I was going to start one but it doesn't seem to be working although at least it seems that more people are joining other games. Maybe we should start inviting intresting people from the off-topics forum?
Worth a shot making a thread in there, last time we made one in general discussion and it got moved to mafia games, but if we try making it in the Much Ado, where most people who join the mafia community actually come from as opposed to the hardcore cc gamers then it could work.
When I first joined, mafia games were in the Much Ado section anyway so I think the movement of having its own forum isolated it somewhat.
Re: Mafia in decline?
Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 9:29 am
by william18
nagerous wrote:pmchugh wrote:What's worrying me is that no-one is signing up for the newbie game. I was going to start one but it doesn't seem to be working although at least it seems that more people are joining other games. Maybe we should start inviting intresting people from the off-topics forum?
Worth a shot making a thread in there, last time we made one in general discussion and it got moved to mafia games, but if we try making it in the Much Ado, where most people who join the mafia community actually come from as opposed to the hardcore cc gamers then it could work.
When I first joined, mafia games were in the Much Ado section anyway so I think the movement of having its own forum isolated it somewhat.
Didn't that thread in GD also give us alot of newcomers aswell?
Re: Mafia in decline?
Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 9:39 am
by Suspect101
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=87294Started a thread in Much Ado, will post identical in other forums, please visit and help keep active by posting commnts or other ideas/thoughts.
Re: Mafia in decline?
Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 9:49 am
by Suspect101
Re: Mafia in decline?
Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 1:52 pm
by Minister Masket
I'll tell you what puts people off games more than anything: DEADBEATERS
Re: Mafia in decline?
Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 3:32 pm
by william18
Minister Masket wrote:I'll tell you what puts people off games more than anything: DEADBEATERS
Re: Mafia in decline?
Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 5:28 pm
by Hologram
william18 wrote:Minister Masket wrote:I'll tell you what puts people off games more than anything: DEADBEATERS
That's why I try to squash the deadbeaters as soon as possible in my games. Hell, I had to replace 4 or 5 people in my 10 person game in Counter-Terrorism, but once I got players that were actually committed it started going along very nicely.
Re: Mafia in decline?
Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 8:40 pm
by Skittles!
william18 wrote:nagerous wrote:pmchugh wrote:What's worrying me is that no-one is signing up for the newbie game. I was going to start one but it doesn't seem to be working although at least it seems that more people are joining other games. Maybe we should start inviting intresting people from the off-topics forum?
Worth a shot making a thread in there, last time we made one in general discussion and it got moved to mafia games, but if we try making it in the Much Ado, where most people who join the mafia community actually come from as opposed to the hardcore cc gamers then it could work.
When I first joined, mafia games were in the Much Ado section anyway so I think the movement of having its own forum isolated it somewhat.
Didn't that thread in GD also give us alot of newcomers aswell?
It got people looking, however, in the long run, it didn't do much good, especially seeming it got moved to the Mafia forum. >.<
pmchugh wrote:What's worrying me is that no-one is signing up for the newbie game. I was going to start one but it doesn't seem to be working although at least it seems that more people are joining other games. Maybe we should start inviting intresting people from the off-topics forum?
You should make one as well. This way, if the newbies sign up for both games, they can get a taste of the different modding styles. If they don't join, and other people join, then that's awesome as well.
Re: Mafia in decline?
Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 6:59 pm
by pmchugh
Ok I will then skittles.
Re: Mafia in decline?
Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 11:01 pm
by pancakemix
Y'know, I never thought about it before, but it just dawned upon me. The reason nobody joins mafia games is because they're out of the way. We have to advertise outside this forum in order to get people to know we're here. The real problem is the fact that we have our own personal niche. Think about it. If I wanted to post in a discussion thread outside of a mafia game before there were subforums, I could just be right there ready to go in an instant. Nowadays you have to go out of your way to get to a game from a thread in the off-topics, so we don't get as much "foot-traffic", so to speak. Now, the people who do post in these games mostly only post here and in Forum Games, and even the people over there aren't attracted to this forum very much.
The bitter irony here is that we wanted this division, first from general off-topics (there was mutual sentiment here) and then with the less mentally stimulating forum games (more people were against this from that end). This, I believe, was part of our past clique mentality, along with having to sift through other, non-relevant threads. We didn't like it, and the size of our community and those involved in it combined had enough influence to get us this private subforum. Now, we have neither size or mod involvement on any grand scale.
Here's what I propose: We request a merger with Forum Games. They may not like it, but we need it. Long-term revitalization is not going to come from starting newbie games. Only a few people come here out of curiosity and they leave once they get random voted because they don't know how it works, and this gets made worse when two or more newbie games start at once and one enthusiastic person comes in and joins both, then leaves, putting both games in a rut. We can make a good case for such a merger, too. Once we could get a 30-person game filled with little difficulty. Now, we struggle to get a game with 15 filled. That, combined with the fact that it's more convenient for those who frequent both, makes this plan possible.
It may sound crazy, maybe it is, but I think it could work. Otherwise, the game will die out and we'll have to find somewhere else to play, and likely be separated.
Re: Mafia in decline?
Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 12:57 am
by Iliad
I don't like that idea. Interesting, but we don't want a merge with forum games. Simply put they're filled with spam games where everyone pots rapidly. Mafia games would be pushed down the page, even if active.
That would decrease the participation and god help the game if it slips down to page 2. It's not as much the fault that we have a sub-forum, rather not enough new players coming in and staying while old players leave.
Re: Mafia in decline?
Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 7:12 am
by nagerous
Iliad wrote:I don't like that idea. Interesting, but we don't want a merge with forum games. Simply put they're filled with spam games where everyone pots rapidly. Mafia games would be pushed down the page, even if active.
That would decrease the participation and god help the game if it slips down to page 2. It's not as much the fault that we have a sub-forum, rather not enough new players coming in and staying while old players leave.
Agreed.
Re: Mafia in decline?
Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 9:28 am
by pmchugh
Iliad wrote:I don't like that idea. Interesting, but we don't want a merge with forum games. Simply put they're filled with spam games where everyone pots rapidly. Mafia games would be pushed down the page, even if active.
That would decrease the participation and god help the game if it slips down to page 2. It's not as much the fault that we have a sub-forum, rather not enough new players coming in and staying while old players leave.
I agree aswell but I have to admit I would never have joined mafia if it was seperate from forum games. I started posting in there and kept seeing mafia games being posted in and wondered what they were, I kept posting in forum games and eventually curiosity got the better of me and I joined mafia.
Re: Mafia in decline?
Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 2:21 pm
by pancakemix
Iliad wrote:I don't like that idea. Interesting, but we don't want a merge with forum games. Simply put they're filled with spam games where everyone pots rapidly. Mafia games would be pushed down the page, even if active.That would decrease the participation and god help the game if it slips down to page 2.
Most of the threads we have are signups and games that have ended/failed. At that point, it doesn't matter if they get pushed down. There's a thread in here that
I posted in. That was February. 3 months. We don't need these threads. And even if active games do get pushed down, It's not a problem we haven't dealt with before. Besides, only nine of those threads have been posted in in the last 24 hours. Out of 50 threads, that's workable for our purposes.
It's not as much the fault that we have a sub-forum, rather not enough new players coming in and staying while old players leave.
My point is that new players don't come in
because we have a subforum. That and the lack of new faces coming in among other things made it stale, at least in my case.
I agree as well but I have to admit I would never have joined mafia if it was separate from forum games. I started posting in there and kept seeing mafia games being posted in and wondered what they were, I kept posting in forum games and eventually curiosity got the better of me and I joined mafia.
This is exactly the effect I hope to achieve. Curiosity is the key here. If we can get people to see what it's like instead of just seeing that its a separate forum that only a few people go to, then we can probably get them interested.
I know it sounds crazy, but sitting in a dark corner and offering candy doesn't work. That's what pedophiles do, and they only want dumb kids. We don't want dumb kids, or at least dumb kids we can't turn into smart kids. We need people who will think intelligently and strategically. This website is dedicated to a Risk-like game. Risk-like games and intelligent and strategical people go hand in hand. We're just in the wrong place.
Re: Mafia in decline?
Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 2:25 pm
by Minister Masket
Big words that won't change anything.
We're here for the duration Mr pancakemix. Might aswell deal with it.
Re: Mafia in decline?
Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 2:39 pm
by Mr. Squirrel
pancakemix wrote:I know it sounds crazy, but sitting in a dark corner and offering candy doesn't work. That's what pedophiles do, and they only want dumb kids. We don't want dumb kids,
You calling me a dumb kid? I wandered in here after all.
Re: Mafia in decline?
Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 6:26 pm
by Suspect101
bump because I have posts in the thread mentioned in this thread and I hate having to scroll down to far. check out the new posts in the threads and feel free to add.