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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:41 pm
by strike wolf
DogDoc wrote:
strike wolf wrote:Maybe they are in the boundaries of constitutional rights but I can't remember the last time the congress did not pass one of his laws.


He's the President. That's what he gets to do. The laws are passed by Congress who represent us, the people. If this bothers you or you think we're on the wrong track, you have a civic duty to vote your representatives out of office and tell the newly elected members they need to start making better decisions.


Just because the president issues it doesn't mean that everyone is expected to go along with it. we have checks and balances for a reason. And I don't have the right to vote until next year.

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:11 pm
by DogDoc
strike wolf wrote:
DogDoc wrote:
strike wolf wrote:Maybe they are in the boundaries of constitutional rights but I can't remember the last time the congress did not pass one of his laws.


He's the President. That's what he gets to do. The laws are passed by Congress who represent us, the people. If this bothers you or you think we're on the wrong track, you have a civic duty to vote your representatives out of office and tell the newly elected members they need to start making better decisions.


Just because the president issues it doesn't mean that everyone is expected to go along with it. we have checks and balances for a reason. And I don't have the right to vote until next year.


That's precisely my point. It is the responsibilty of Congress to legislate. Not the President's. The President cannot do much without the support of Congress. What he can do, though, is put forward and lobby for what he thinks is best for the country from the biggest bully pulpit in the world: the Presidency.

And I think it's great you're paying attention to these kind of issues even though you're not at the voting age yet. Remember that voting is a right, yes, but also a responsibility and a duty. When it is time for you to cast your first vote, I hope you do so with an open, informed and intelligent mind.

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:20 pm
by DogDoc
Yes, but the president wanted them in congress, and they were passed without so much as a "Hey, wait a minute, you're sneaking a National ID Card law into a Defense Spending Bill!"


Wow, and I thought *I* had a paranoid view about the federal government. :)

I'm assuming the National ID Card law you're referring to is the Real ID Act? Like it or not, we already have a National ID card and it's called your Social Security number. Try doing ANYTHING without one---open a bank account, get a job, apply for a loan---it's not going to happen.

As a resident of a state where it is ridiculously easy for illegal immigrants to obtain a driver's license (and then usually drive without insurance), I personally welcome the effort to standardize requirements for obtaining a license.

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:43 pm
by subdork
strike wolf wrote:Maybe they are in the boundaries of constitutional rights but I can't remember the last time the congress did not pass one of his laws.


Privatizing social security and a guest worker program were 2 of President Bush's biggest goals... and they got shot down... one by dems, and the other by reps. Not to mention that lady he nominated for supreme court.

If anything, you should know that President Bush has not vetoed a single spending bill throughout his entire presidency.