Conquer Club

Scott-Land wrote:The problem isn't about playing 9 extra games or protecting 'our precious points' as some put it. There was a reasonable solution. We win 5 and they win 4... no one has to deadbeat and no one loses their 'precious 100% turns taken'. The mistake wasn't made on our part so why not handle it amicably? The request isn't unreasonable so you have have to ask yourself what was the real motive here when they are so unwilling.

Points aren't an issue with me- but for a sequential player to hit 4100+ is an amazing feat. Game selection is crucial- and when you don't get to select the games and forced to play 9 games without your regular partners, I'd be highly pissed off if I were Seul and rightfully so. Who gives a rat's ass if the other team never played before. It's their choice and we should have a choice too. However that's not the reason he's upset... it's an honor issue and was treated disrespectfully when the other side was not open for discussion to resolve the issue. We're playing and the hell with what you say!

Tbh- if Rblgrod forted in the first 3 games he took his turns ( Unlimited W2.1) and Seul was here, we prolly win the majority of them. But that's not the issue...

wrong- its 100% about points

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:

Scott-Land wrote:The problem isn't about playing 9 extra games or protecting 'our precious points' as some put it. There was a reasonable solution. We win 5 and they win 4... no one has to deadbeat and no one loses their 'precious 100% turns taken'. The mistake wasn't made on our part so why not handle it amicably? The request isn't unreasonable so you have have to ask yourself what was the real motive here when they are so unwilling.

Points aren't an issue with me- but for a sequential player to hit 4100+ is an amazing feat. Game selection is crucial- and when you don't get to select the games and forced to play 9 games without your regular partners, I'd be highly pissed off if I were Seul and rightfully so. Who gives a rat's ass if the other team never played before. It's their choice and we should have a choice too. However that's not the reason he's upset... it's an honor issue and was treated disrespectfully when the other side was not open for discussion to resolve the issue. We're playing and the hell with what you say!

Tbh- if Rblgrod forted in the first 3 games he took his turns ( Unlimited W2.1) and Seul was here, we prolly win the majority of them. But that's not the issue...

wrong- its 100% about points

It certainly isn't the case with me and highly suspect it is with Seul either. When he asked me to sub, that was the first thing I said... Why not get a major or a colonel to sub instead of adding 4000+ points to the team? He responded by saying he didn't want to spend the time discussing every move ( 60+ turns) and points wasn't an issue. Wanted a partner he could trust-- where we all played and discussed on occasion the tough plays.

Doesn't sound like points to me-- just another assumption JR.. a wrong one.

wow players that never ever visit these tournament forums are coming here just to complain and argue... I would love to say take the arguments elseware, since probably 99% of the time the tournament subforum is a very nice and courtious place, no need for arguing or baiting to argue (JR ) just nice calm discussion is always cool

as for my opinon on the matter... Organizer = not at fault at all, all points raised have been quite valid, and if it was be, i would have shrugged, played the games then when they are over play the new games, of course my rank isnt QUITE past that 4k mark as of yet and i understand when you are that rank your specialized games are important (and thats cool too) so honestly this would all be between the players in the games... as an organizer myself i wouldnt fault team 1 or DQ them as it seems like an honest mistake, and it DOES happen sometimes in tournaments... in fact more often then you would like and if i DQed someone everytime a wrong game was joined my tournaments would be ALOT less enjoyable to the players so...

In short, i have NOT in any way given you a concrete answer what so ever, and for reason, its not for us in the forums to judge, its for you to handle with team1 at your own discression, but just note not to be so critical of everyone and keep it enjoyable for all

I'd like to point out that if you are a player who is trying to protect your points, you really have no business playing in a tournament and then complaining about it if something goes wrong. It isn't a perfect system and it never will be. You take that risk by joining a tournament. Things go wrong, and you will have to learn to deal with it.

If you want your points protected, play in games where you have complete control. If you aren't going to do that for yourself, shut your damn mouth and move along. If you want my honest opinion, I find it completely reprehensible that Blitzaholic is running the exact same tournament over and over just to cater to the whims of his high-ranking buddies, or as it seems more apparent, just to try and get himself a tournament win because it is one of the few things he can't get right now.

Take your high ranked whining asses back to where they came from. Play the damn game, or get out of the one place on this site that has yet to be corrupted by bickering and infighting. I worked my ass off for 14 months to make sure this part of the forum stayed enjoyable, bright, happy, and fun. It's the last place on this site that has any measure of pure enjoyment for a lot of people, and all of you who think you are entitled to some sort of preferential treatment just because your points are north of 3000 need to back the truck up and get the hell out if all you are going to do is bicker.

Give me a warning, Night Strike, I dare you. It isn't going to change my opinion and it certainly isn't going to stop me from saying this again if the time is ever right.

Optimus Prime wrote:I'd like to point out that if you are a player who is trying to protect your points, you really have no business playing in a tournament and then complaining about it if something goes wrong. It isn't a perfect system and it never will be. You take that risk by joining a tournament. Things go wrong, and you will have to learn to deal with it.

If you want your points protected, play in games where you have complete control. If you aren't going to do that for yourself, shut your damn mouth and move along. If you want my honest opinion, I find it completely reprehensible that Blitzaholic is running the exact same tournament over and over just to cater to the whims of his high-ranking buddies, or as it seems more apparent, just to try and get himself a tournament win because it is one of the few things he can't get right now.

Take your high ranked whining asses back to where they came from. Play the damn game, or get out of the one place on this site that has yet to be corrupted by bickering and infighting. I worked my ass off for 14 months to make sure this part of the forum stayed enjoyable, bright, happy, and fun. It's the last place on this site that has any measure of pure enjoyment for a lot of people, and all of you who think you are entitled to some sort of preferential treatment just because your points are north of 3000 need to back the truck up and get the hell out if all you are going to do is bicker.

Give me a warning, Night Strike, I dare you. It isn't going to change my opinion and it certainly isn't going to stop me from saying this again if the time is ever right.

It was a solution we were looking for-- no one said anything about points except JR. Only person I see whining is your non-high rank ass.

Scott-Land wrote:It was a solution we were looking for-- no one said anything about points except JR. Only person I see whining is your non-high rank ass.

scott, i like you alright, same with JR, prankcall... blitz, and many other high ranks, main reason, im a very likable person, it takes ALOT for me to dislike someone, so take this from me by saying that yes... this thread is full of nothing but whining you guys may not recognize it because it is a MUCH smaller ammount then you guys usually give in the GD, but yes the majority of this thread is whining unfortunately... and though prime may have said it in a very rude manner, what he said is generally true, in that Sh*t happens in tournaments, its a fact of life for us organizers, but we try to keep this a happy upbeat place, its VERY rare that anyone comes into the tournament forums and rises up a stir, we are very nice and very accepting here in these forums, but we like our tranquility just some food for thought

Night Strike wrote:

Nephilim wrote:nightstrike, i really have to question your credibility here: you can't blame the tourney organizer, and it's quite obvious why you can't. the mistake occurred at the last second: there was no problem until the LAST player joined the games when he shouldn't have. the only way blitz could have avoided this was to monitor the games 24 hours a day, then noticed that rbel was joining them! pretty silly

There's nothing to question on my credibility. When you send out the games to both teams at the same time, you run the risk of people joining the game incorrectly. That's why it's preferable to send the games to one team at a time.


By the way, I HIGHLY doubt lack would delete the games. He rarely does it for games that mess up due to a site glitch.

I never sent both teams games at the same time

I sent dupa's team games to his team, and then they said dupa cannot fill it, he has emergency life crisis, so dcc1220 asked jr, i said fine and posted it in the tourney forum, then i sent out seuls team the pm, and seuls team joined or started too, and then said benjikat is dead cant make it and is quitting cc, so they asked scott-land, and i said fine, so they started to join, however, during this same time which i had NO clue, theprowler who is also on dupas team or team 1 asked rbelgrod not knowing dcc1220 already asked jr yto cover, so rbelgrod then covered the games but didnt pay attention, he just joined the game numbers he was told by the prowler, and then velvecarrots who was on the orignal team 2, did not get a chance to get in, i was mad, all was mad, it was messed up. I told all this would not count, and I would re-make 9 games, suels team agreed to deadbeat, dcc1220's team did not agree, so I said you all decided, play them out or not, but they wont count for the tourney, I need to make 9 new ones, then seul said he will not play in 9 new ones and forfeits. I dont know how this could of been avoided? but it was very frustrating and time consuming on my part.

Seulessliathan wrote:

Seulessliathan wrote:What would you do now with the 9 games which have already started if you don´t have the time to play 18 of these games because you have a life same time (it´s unlimited triple esca World 2.1, so all games are time consuming)

I´m not interested to play 9 more games with a player i have never played a team game together before and who were chosen from the opponent team.

BaldAdonis wrote:That sounds like a silly solution. Why not play the nine games, then when they're all done, set up the proper ones?

Or, like Andrew said, team 1 "loses" in the tournament aspect because they can't get their act together. So you can play the 9 games and you won't need another set.

you want more reasons? have a look at teals fort in round 1 (it´s unlimited)

Are you suggesting he will intentionally lose the games so that you two will lose points to his friends? If so, bring up a cheating and abuse report. That is not a tournament issue. There's no way you can force them to quit. You can either quit yourself, or play the games. Since it's the finals, Blitz can disqualify the team who asked two players to join them, and you won't need to play 9 more.

Blitzaholic wrote:

Night Strike wrote:

Nephilim wrote:nightstrike, i really have to question your credibility here: you can't blame the tourney organizer, and it's quite obvious why you can't. the mistake occurred at the last second: there was no problem until the LAST player joined the games when he shouldn't have. the only way blitz could have avoided this was to monitor the games 24 hours a day, then noticed that rbel was joining them! pretty silly

There's nothing to question on my credibility. When you send out the games to both teams at the same time, you run the risk of people joining the game incorrectly. That's why it's preferable to send the games to one team at a time.


By the way, I HIGHLY doubt lack would delete the games. He rarely does it for games that mess up due to a site glitch.

I never sent both teams games at the same time

I sent dupa's team games to his team, and then they said dupa cannot fill it, he has emergency life crisis, so dcc1220 asked jr, i said fine and posted it in the tourney forum, then i sent out seuls team the pm, and seuls team joined or started too, and then said benjikat is dead cant make it and is quitting cc, so they asked scott-land, and i said fine, so they started to join, however, during this same time which i had NO clue, theprowler who is also on dupas team or team 1 asked rbelgrod not knowing dcc1220 already asked jr yto cover, so rbelgrod then covered the games but didnt pay attention, he just joined the game numbers he was told by the prowler, and then velvecarrots who was on the orignal team 2, did not get a chance to get in, i was mad, all was mad, it was messed up. I told all this would not count, and I would re-make 9 games, suels team agreed to deadbeat, dcc1220's team did not agree, so I said you all decided, play them out or not, but they wont count for the tourney, I need to make 9 new ones, then seul said he will not play in 9 new ones and forfeits. I dont know how this could of been avoided? but it was very frustrating and time consuming on my part.

Blitz- I think you handled it correctly. The games were joined out of order and should not count. Seeing that it was an error with nobody at serious neglect....basically a human error, neither team or player(s) I feel should be punished. Dupa is back so when the new games are created he can join on team 1. Not sure what subs are needed on team 2.

lmao, i wouldn't say this thread is full of whining so much as it's full of a current tourney organizer and a former organizer making ill-advised assumptions and consequently running off at the mouth (and another organizer, nate, who is quite courteous but perhaps a bit too quick to defend optimus).

blitz didn't do anything wrong, scott and seul haven't said anything about points, and everyone knows that no one can make anyone do anything.....but we can sure fight about it in the forums, what the hell do you think they're here for?

Nephilim wrote:lmao, i wouldn't say this thread is full of whining so much as it's full of a current tourney organizer and a former organizer making ill-advised assumptions and consequently running off at the mouth (and another organizer, nate, who is quite courteous but perhaps a bit too quick to defend optimus).

blitz didn't do anything wrong, scott and seul haven't said anything about points, and everyone knows that no one can make anyone do anything.....but we can sure fight about it in the forums, what the hell do you think they're here for?

Hehee.. well said.

Scott-Land wrote:

Nephilim wrote:lmao, i wouldn't say this thread is full of whining so much as it's full of a current tourney organizer and a former organizer making ill-advised assumptions and consequently running off at the mouth (and another organizer, nate, who is quite courteous but perhaps a bit too quick to defend optimus).

blitz didn't do anything wrong, scott and seul haven't said anything about points, and everyone knows that no one can make anyone do anything.....but we can sure fight about it in the forums, what the hell do you think they're here for?

Hehee.. well said.

Sorry but the tournament forum is not a fighting forum. So go somewhere else with your bad remarks

At the tournament forum we make and run tournaments
Furthermore we discuss sometimes idea's about tornaments or discuss options to solve problems

Ok lets look at this minor issue: something went wrong in one of the tournaments.
This happens more often. There are two simple solutions:

Remake new games and finish the tournament
Disqualify one of the two and continue the tournament by letting the other automatically win

I have the feeling that this is done. So the tournament is finished.

So in fact the rest has nothing to do with tournaments at all.

But still some people have a problem with it. Hm, what could that be ? Points ? Reaction: no it is not about the points. So what else? In fact that is explained in one of the reactions: the 9 games are no fun anymore and deadbeating would effect the 100% score. That is very easy to solve: use some babysitters with a 100% score to finish the games. In case you need my service just let me know.

it is about points. why else would team 2 spend all the time figuring out how many games per team each team needs to deadbeat so they dont lose or gain any points instead of just playing the games ? and than when the games are not deleted, which we all know doesnt get done, we quit ? Why would team 2 be so concerned about the 1st 9 games that dont count towards the tourney instead of focusing on the 9 new games that would count ?

because we only care about points

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:it is about points. why else would team 2 spend all the time figuring out how many games per team each team needs to deadbeat so they dont lose or gain any points instead of just playing the games ? and than when the games are not deleted, which we all know doesnt get done, we quit ? Why would team 2 be so concerned about the 1st 9 games that dont count towards the tourney instead of focusing on the 9 new games that would count ?

because we only care about points

When it is about points then we better ask to shift this to another location.
This part of the forum is about tournaments. At tournaments we don't discuss points, they are not intresting to us.
The only scoring of interest here is coming in the Hall of Fame.

But even the Hall of Fame is not very interesting at all. More important is the fun itself.
So joining a kind of story (pretending that you visit a dinner date or make a trip or sing some songs for santa or ...)
Another option is making and joining a nice setup and see that it is excecuted with care.

So goodbye.

at first: it´s ok, no need to fight here ... it has happened, games will be played normal, nobody deadbeated or did anything else. I asked if anyone has a good idea for this problem, made a suggestion, some agreed, some started to discuss/fight. Well, it´s ok, i just wanted to collect opinions about that ..... didn´t know that i would get so much shit for that from many sides. Didn´t know that making a suggestion/asking for opinions is a crime, but well ...

So, if you have an interesting idea how to deal with situations like that, you are welcome. If you just don´t like me or my teammates Scott and Velve, better pm me, no need to put everything in this forum.

and now some answers/comments

Night Strike wrote:By the way, moved to Tournament General Info.

Natewolfman wrote:wow players that never ever visit these tournament forums are coming here just to complain and argue... I would love to say take the arguments elseware

PaulusH wrote:When it is about points then we better ask to shift this to another location.
This part of the forum is about tournaments. At tournaments we don't discuss points, they are not intresting to us.

everybody said it´s not about points (it´s about solutions for dealing with situations like that), but feel free to ask him to move it back to GD again where i posted it.

Natewolfman wrote:i understand when you are that rank your specialized games are important (and thats cool too) so honestly this would all be between the players in the games...

specialized games? me?? usually i play everything ... well, not important here

PaulusH wrote:But still some people have a problem with it. Hm, what could that be ? Points ? Reaction: no it is not about the points. So what else?

Optimus Prime wrote:If you want your points protected, play in games where you have complete control.

It´s about ... as already mentioned ... a discussion about the problem with tourney games with wrong teams, and it is about time, why should we all spend time on games which are with wrong teams? That´s why i made a suggestion about splitting the game. As already mentioned before (and quoted below) i have less than 10 active games for a reason, and i was ok to double them, but not to triple the number, so i asked for suggestions.

Natewolfman wrote:In short, i have NOT in any way given you a concrete answer what so ever, and for reason, its not for us in the forums to judge, its for you to handle with team1 at your own discression, but just note not to be so critical of everyone and keep it enjoyable for all

No solution has been found , so we play the games.

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:it is about points. why else would team 2 spend all the time figuring out how many games per team each team needs to deadbeat so they dont lose or gain any points instead of just playing the games ? and than when the games are not deleted, which we all know doesnt get done, we quit ? Why would team 2 be so concerned about the 1st 9 games that dont count towards the tourney instead of focusing on the 9 new games that would count ?
because we only care about points

i just tried to make a suggestion which could be fair for everybody, i don´t care about points. You said you prefer to play these games out, so we do now. No big deal.

Natewolfman wrote:this thread is full of nothing but whining you guys may not recognize it because it is a MUCH smaller ammount then you guys usually give in the GD,

i started this because i wanted to know other opinion, and i don´t see where anyone is whining, please feel free to quote (but don´t misquote and take care for context)
quoted from the other thread:

Seulessliathan wrote:

dcc1220 wrote:I have no wish to deadbeat games. Sorry, I don't see that as an option.

yes, no problem about that

dcc1220 wrote: We all play plenty of triples games, these are just nine extra.

incorrect, i have 2 other triples atm, 9 other games in total.

TheProwler wrote:You don't want to play an extra 9 games? Really? You know what I see? A person complaining and making a big deal out of an
honest mistake.

i just tried to make a suggestion, nothing else.

dcc1220 wrote:I don't wish to make any foes, but I will not deadbeat and I will not suicide. If the points truly don't matter and some wish to not play the games, they may miss their turns or kill their teammates. I will not choose to do that.
I think all the apologies that can be given out have, and I don't wish to make enemies, but I choose to play the games.

totally understandable, and i´m not interested to make enemies here. No hard feelings against anybody, i told you that i would prefer not to play these games, you say want to to play them anyway, so we play. I respect all of you, just tried to make a time saving suggestion, but i know that most players perfer to play all games out. No problem about that.

Optimus Prime wrote:I'd like to point out that if you are a player who is trying to protect your points, you really have no business playing in a tournament and then complaining about it if something goes wrong. It isn't a perfect system and it never will be. You take that risk by joining a tournament. Things go wrong, and you will have to learn to deal with it.

please read the passage above

Optimus Prime wrote:Take your high ranked whining asses back to where they came from. Play the damn game, or get out of the one place on this site that has yet to be corrupted by bickering and infighting.

cool mate, i just asked people about their opinion, if you are not interested in this thread, nobody pushs you to read it. No reason to insult anybody.

it appears that optimus prime, for all his supposed concern about keeping his lovely forums free of "bickering and fighting," is happy to throw around f-bombs and other mindless insults as he sees fit.

what would brigham young say?

Nephilim wrote:it appears that optimus prime, for all his supposed concern about keeping his lovely forums free of "bickering and fighting," is happy to throw around f-bombs and other mindless insults as he sees fit.

what would brigham young say?

Brigham Young would say you are an idiot for even bringing his name into this conversation. That's what he would say. You quite frankly don't know squat about my "precious little forum," so shut the hell up.

I decided to penalize dupa, dcc1220, and the prowler 1 game when I remake the 9 games due to rbelgrod making the mistake and theprowler inviting him. It does seem like an honest accident, It has been suggested to just eliminate the team entirely, but I did not think it was fair as dupa was not even here. so when these 9 games get completed in which they will not count, I will remake 8 games for the best of 9 series as seuls team be ahead 1 game to zero before they start, meaning theprowlers team will have to win 5 of 8 to be crowned champs, however, if suelssliathan does not join with velvecarrots and a replcement for benjikat is dead, they will forfeit and theprowlers team with dupa and dcc1220 will win.



that is about as fair as i could do, sorry all for the inconveniece and I know all were trying to be helpful, but it did cause a lot of chaos we all did not need. good luck in the best of 9 series. I will make the 8 games as soon as these 9 fake ones are over.

Blitzaholic wrote:I decided to penalize dupa, dcc1220, and the prowler 1 game when I remake the 9 games due to rbelgrod making the mistake and theprowler inviting him. It does seem like an honest accident, It has been suggested to just eliminate the team entirely, but I did not think it was fair as dupa was not even here. so when these 9 games get completed in which they will not count, I will remake 8 games for the best of 9 series as seuls team be ahead 1 game to zero before they start, meaning theprowlers team will have to win 5 of 8 to be crowned champs, however, if suelssliathan does not join with velvecarrots and a replcement for benjikat is dead, they will forfeit and theprowlers team with dupa and dcc1220 will win.



that is about as fair as i could do, sorry all for the inconveniece and I know all were trying to be helpful, but it did cause a lot of chaos we all did not need. good luck in the best of 9 series. I will make the 8 games as soon as these 9 fake ones are over.

sorry Blitz, I agreed with you in your earlier post but not this one. To nail a team a game because it was joined improperly is wrong. There was no damage to any games being directly played. All you needed to do was create 9 more games which created a little more work for yourself. Its not like the game was being played and an issue surfaced. The games in question was quickly identified as an issue as soon as it started. There was never even a single move played. Bad call in my opinion.

Optimus Prime wrote:

Nephilim wrote:it appears that optimus prime, for all his supposed concern about keeping his lovely forums free of "bickering and fighting," is happy to throw around f-bombs and other mindless insults as he sees fit.

what would brigham young say?

Brigham Young would say you are an idiot for even bringing his name into this conversation. That's what he would say. You quite frankly don't know squat about my "precious little forum," so shut the hell up.

and i don't need to know about it in order to recognize a petty, witless, sex-starved little douchebag whose true colors are showing now that he is retired

team one did deserve a penalty, several organizers more experienced the me with posts and thru pm's suggested I should just punish team 1 all together, all 9 games, i did not think that was fair, but thought team 1 should receive some penaly as rbelgrod was asked by theprowler to join his or dupas teams and he never looked at the players and joined all 9 against his own team, so therefore in the new 8 games made, seuls team will be up 1-0 with 8 to be played JR, suels team needs to win at least 4 of those 8 to be winners and dcc1220 needs to win 5 of those 8 to be winners, a penalty of 1 game I thought was fair and no longer involves you as dupa is back now. so you jr got to play in 9 free games that do NOT count.


you have a right to disagree, but my decision is final and i thought because the mistake was so enormous and caused so much stress, it did deserve some type of penalty, although it was minor and much better than all 9 games, This is fair. However, both teams need to join upon pm's by the deadline or will risk forfeit. I will wait to make the 8 games as the other 9 bogus ones are still waiting to be completed. seems like seuls team may forfeit and not play in the new 8 games anyways, not sure yet, have to wait and see.