Conquer Club

Phil1979 wrote:

Evil Semp wrote:So in a game of football your team is ahead by 3 points with 5 minutes to play, they sould give the other team the ball to give them a chance to tie the game? Or in baseball the intentional walk should not be given to the oposing teams best batter like they used to do to Barry Bonds the past couple of years?

If you are waiting 23hrs and 55 mins to win the game the game is probably pretty close to being over anyway, and if not you aren't leaving yourself much time to make decisions if the plan doesn't go as planned.

Firstly, Are you aware this is not football???

I really dont think you understand the concept of what is being said here. My cheating opponent ended his turn seconds before me. Then it was his responsibility to go first. He waited until just before the 24 hour period to take his turn. I had a 5 min opportunity to take my turn which I was obviously going to miss. So I go down as missing a turn. Then at the end of that round my opponent can take his second turn.

I raise another point.... In a cards game, it should be called cheating because the cards are what win you the game. By turn synching your opponent takes away the possibility of earning a card.

Phill1979 are you aware that this is not a card game?

Yes I do understand what is being said here. Ijust happen to disagree with you on this.

Do you really understand how to play freestyle? Have you ever tried to take a turn before someone else so you could kill someone or take over a continent? If you did then you are just as bad. The only difference is you did not wait 23 hrs adn 55 min.

Phil1979 wrote:

Evil Semp wrote:So in a game of football your team is ahead by 3 points with 5 minutes to play, they sould give the other team the ball to give them a chance to tie the game? Or in baseball the intentional walk should not be given to the oposing teams best batter like they used to do to Barry Bonds the past couple of years?

If you are waiting 23hrs and 55 mins to win the game the game is probably pretty close to being over anyway, and if not you aren't leaving yourself much time to make decisions if the plan doesn't go as planned.

Firstly, Are you aware this is not football???

I really dont think you understand the concept of what is being said here. My cheating opponent ended his turn seconds before me. Then it was his responsibility to go first. He waited until just before the 24 hour period to take his turn. I had a 5 min opportunity to take my turn which I was obviously going to miss. So I go down as missing a turn. Then at the end of that round my opponent can take his second turn.

I raise another point.... In a cards game, it should be called cheating because the cards are what win you the game. By turn synching your opponent takes away the possibility of earning a card.

It is CHEATING. You are correct, this is not football. I'm disappointed to learn that this is happening. I had enjoyed many "freestyle" games, but might switch to sequential if too many people are exploiting the set-up.

Just because you can get away with it doesn't make it right. It is unethical and wrong.

Just because you don't like it doesn't make it cheating.

It might not be fair to do it but it isn't cheating.

Is it fair in freestyle when you took the last turn in a round to watch for the first person in the next round to start their turn, then you jump in and take your turn?

Yes. The difference is, in every other scenario you mentioned, you aren't taking away the other persons ability to play.

If a new round begins and someone is weak, its fair game to rush in and try to eliminate that player before they take their turn. That is because they have the oppurtunity to take their turn as does everyone else still playing.

Similarly, if I end the round and one of my opponents begins his turn while I'm watching, its fair game for me to start my turn right away because I am not hindering anyone else's ability to play.

However by waiting until the last minutes you are not letting the other player have a chance, and no I don't think that is fair or ethical. And therefore, while its not laid out in the site rules as cheating, I think it should be.

Evil Semp wrote:Just because you don't like it doesn't make it cheating.

It might not be fair to do it but it isn't cheating.

Is it fair in freestyle when you took the last turn in a round to watch for the first person in the next round to start their turn, then you jump in and take your turn?

Right OK I am not going to explain it all again because its on the thread already but you have proved quite clearly that you DO NOT get it.

You clearly lack the intelligence required to grasp what I am saying.

Have another little read of the thread without any distractions, Take your time, and digest it sentence by sentence before replying.

Thanks.

I think he understands it and just shares a different view on the matter. That is no place for personal insults. Keep that to the flame section.

yeh i think phil needs to learn to control his tongue sometimes and realise ITS ONLY A GAME!!!!

^ noob who simply needs to find better tactics. simple as that

sully800 wrote:I think he understands it and just shares a different view on the matter. That is no place for personal insults. Keep that to the flame section.

He doesn't get it. read his replies and he is totally missing the point.

Higamy, f*ck off you scum bag. Haven't you got some cheating to do somewhere?

I don't agree with you so you try to insult me, why doesn't that surprise me.

I do understand, I just don't agree.

I play freestyle alot so I do understand the version of the game.

We both have our opinions on this and I don't think either of us is going to change our minds.

Phobia wrote:^ noob who simply needs to find better tactics. simple as that

haha phobia lol! ses the ultimate noob who refuses to play me cos hes too scared *cough cough oh btw lol im gonna send u 100 txts per insulting message u leave me hahaha. o and phil, keep a civil tongue, this isn't in flame wars

I think the rule should be adjusted.

It's not cheating in that it doesn't break any rules now, but it is against the spirit of the game.

qeee1 wrote:I think the rule should be adjusted.

It's not cheating in that it doesn't break any rules now, but it is against the spirit of the game.

Now here is a man that I agree with.

I could agree with you qeee1 except there are to many rules that are interputed differently by players. What you consider the spirit of the rule does not mean that someone else considers it the spirit of the rule or game.

I am not saying what happened in this case was right but I am not saying that it is wrong either.

sully800 wrote:

qeee1 wrote:I think the rule should be adjusted.

It's not cheating in that it doesn't break any rules now, but it is against the spirit of the game.

Now here is a man that I agree with.

Now here are 2 men that I agree with; how about we start a game...

Robinette wrote:

sully800 wrote:

qeee1 wrote:I think the rule should be adjusted.

It's not cheating in that it doesn't break any rules now, but it is against the spirit of the game.

Now here is a man that I agree with.

Now here are 2 men that I agree with; how about we start a game...

Now here are 3 people that I agree with; I would agree to starting a game, but I don't want to lose any points right now...

A technical solution could be to give a guaranteed time frame.

I.E. if a player ended a round and the first one starts to play when the timer is less than 12 hours, the timer gets automatically set to 12 hours, s.t. the player has the chance to take his turn (if it would be possibble, that should only apply to the one ending the turn to avoid players missing a turn making it much slower)

autoload wrote:

Robinette wrote:

sully800 wrote:

qeee1 wrote:I think the rule should be adjusted.

It's not cheating in that it doesn't break any rules now, but it is against the spirit of the game.

Now here is a man that I agree with.

Now here are 2 men that I agree with; how about we start a game...

Now here are 3 people that I agree with; I would agree to starting a game, but I don't want to lose any points right now...

Second that emotion. Or fifth. Whatever, I agree.

TomaCzar wrote:

autoload wrote:

Robinette wrote:

sully800 wrote:

qeee1 wrote:I think the rule should be adjusted.

It's not cheating in that it doesn't break any rules now, but it is against the spirit of the game.

Now here is a man that I agree with.

Now here are 2 men that I agree with; how about we start a game...

Now here are 3 people that I agree with; I would agree to starting a game, but I don't want to lose any points right now...

Second that emotion. Or fifth. Whatever, I agree.

ok guys, that "hers 3 huys ppl i agree with" thing is just getting way to cheesy lol

This has been discussed before.

It's not cheating since the game engine allows for it. The only way to cheat in CC is to violate the two basic game rules (i.e. no multiple accounts and no secret alliances).

Then, you have a choice. A choice to play sequential or freestyle. Whatever setting one chose to play with, one knows what the game engine allows. Here, with freestyle one are aware that these de facto double moves are possible. If one doesn't like it, either play sequential or play with people you know won't use this loophole in the game engine.

alstergren wrote:This has been discussed before.

It's not cheating since the game engine allows for it. The only way to cheat in CC is to violate the two basic game rules (i.e. no multiple accounts and no secret alliances).

Then, you have a choice. A choice to play sequential or freestyle. Whatever setting one chose to play with, one knows what the game engine allows. Here, with freestyle one are aware that these de facto double moves are possible. If one doesn't like it, either play sequential or play with people you know won't use this loophole in the game engine.

Whatever you say all star green you are a cheater cheater cheater face!



Brings me back to the fun old days.... back when patroclus was still here and just as crazy.

two words:

freestyle sux

that was also my two cents

i agree it's not cheating, but it is dishonest. i think the "purpose" of CC is to provide people a nice web site where they can share thier interest for Risk and have a nice time playing with other people. however, in my opinion, this attitude just makes this experience a not pleasant one for many players, thus, it should be disallowed by fixing the game engine.

some of you say "if you don't like it, don't play freestyle". both types of games have their pros and cons, but this cons shouldn't comprise the gaming experience.

that somethig is allowed now doesn't mean it will always be allowed. dishonest conducts shouldn't be allowed at all so, imo fixing this leak is one of the things that should be done to achieve an even better player satisfaction than the great one we already have

maritovw wrote:i agree it's not cheating, but it is dishonest. i think the "purpose" of CC is to provide people a nice web site where they can share thier interest for Risk and have a nice time playing with other people. however, in my opinion, this attitude just makes this experience a not pleasant one for many players, thus, it should be disallowed by fixing the game engine.

some of you say "if you don't like it, don't play freestyle". both types of games have their pros and cons, but this cons shouldn't comprise the gaming experience.

that somethig is allowed now doesn't mean it will always be allowed. dishonest conducts shouldn't be allowed at all so, imo fixing this leak is one of the things that should be done to achieve an even better player satisfaction than the great one we already have

I concur

maritovw wrote:i agree it's not cheating, but it is dishonest. i think the "purpose" of CC is to provide people a nice web site where they can share thier interest for Risk and have a nice time playing with other people. however, in my opinion, this attitude just makes this experience a not pleasant one for many players, thus, it should be disallowed by fixing the game engine.

some of you say "if you don't like it, don't play freestyle". both types of games have their pros and cons, but this cons shouldn't comprise the gaming experience.

that somethig is allowed now doesn't mean it will always be allowed. dishonest conducts shouldn't be allowed at all so, imo fixing this leak is one of the things that should be done to achieve an even better player satisfaction than the great one we already have

Well Said!