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The problem people in this thread have is that judges are being biased towards the Chinese, at least in their opinion. Jamaicans being fast is their own skill at work, but judging is totally reliant on those judges. I doubt their biased towards the Chinese. Even if they are biased, China probably didn't coerce them in any way. From an economic standpoint, don't you think it would be a good idea to get on China's good side?

Zemljanin wrote:There is a rule - if two competitors have the same score, the one with harder practice is better placed. If American (actually Russian) girl was better than Chinese, she could choose harder practice and she would win.

I really couldn't believe what I've read in this thread. EVERYBODY (out of this thread) says that organization of this Olympic Games is ABSOLUTELY PERFECT in every imaginable way. The best ever! And more than 50% posters voted for banning China from organization... LMFAO

But you all forgot a thing of much greater emergency. Jamaican athletes have to be banned immediately (otherwise, they'll continue to wipe off everybody). They're just unacceptable fast! You better hurry!!

Did you watch how some of those Chinese gymnasts did in comparison to the others? I'm not saying China should be banned (though some of those girl's age do look questionable), I'm saying that when a gymnast messes up several times in a row, gets a high score, another one does it almost perfectly (except for 1 mistake), there's something wrong there.

kerntheconkerer wrote: have you also noticed that they have all those gold medals and no silver or bronze?
seriously guys, pay attention and you might notice things...

They have 14 silver and 14 bronze (to date).

You're a sore loser, yankee blowhard. Speaking as a Brit (3rd in the table, thank you very much), i find your attitude abhorent. Bad loser, bad winner.

[quote="muy_thaiguy]Did you watch how some of those Chinese gymnasts did in comparison to the others? I'm not saying China should be banned (though some of those girl's age do look questionable), I'm saying that when a gymnast messes up several times in a row, gets a high score, another one does it almost perfectly (except for 1 mistake), there's something wrong there.[/quote]


The difficulty level of the routine plays a part in the scoring.

"He cheated! he ran much faster than me!" (Toad, in the TV series of Wind in the Willows)

muy_thaiguy wrote:

Zemljanin wrote:There is a rule - if two competitors have the same score, the one with harder practice is better placed. If American (actually Russian) girl was better than Chinese, she could choose harder practice and she would win.

I really couldn't believe what I've read in this thread. EVERYBODY (out of this thread) says that organization of this Olympic Games is ABSOLUTELY PERFECT in every imaginable way. The best ever! And more than 50% posters voted for banning China from organization... LMFAO

But you all forgot a thing of much greater emergency. Jamaican athletes have to be banned immediately (otherwise, they'll continue to wipe off everybody). They're just unacceptable fast! You better hurry!!

Did you watch how some of those Chinese gymnasts did in comparison to the others? I'm not saying China should be banned (though some of those girl's age do look questionable), I'm saying that when a gymnast messes up several times in a row, gets a high score, another one does it almost perfectly (except for 1 mistake), there's something wrong there.

Ya like on vault finals...that was some boo sheit.

Anarkistsdream wrote:The Chinese judge gave three medals to America in Women's Saber...

Also, there is an Olympic Panel comprised of several of the larger countries that, if this were in the slightest true, would crack down and kick some ass.

So, in the end, you are wrong...

Just thought I'd mention that sabre fencing is scored electronically... the judges are there mostly to call illegal hits. So that's not really a good example. You'd be better off with weightlifting, since the Chinese have dominated it and it's an objective sport... except that there are doping suspicions. There are only a few other non-judged sports in which the Chinese have medaled at all. Table tennis may be an exception, but that wouldn't surprise anybody, since the Chinese actually go to school to learn to play Ping-Pong. (I wanna do that! )

As I understand it, the IOC can only check paperwork as submitted by the suspected country's sports federation unless definitive proof is brought before them. Witness the lack of action on the age issue in women's gymnastics. And really... given China's reputation... who's going to throw a big fit while China is hosting?

There are good reasons to object to China's hosting... but most of them are easier to prove then nebulous suspicions of cheating. Pollution/air quality, for instance. Organization. Some of the aforementioned shady publicism. China's having reneged on their promise to provide all members of foreign media with unfettered Internet access while in China. Poor building of event arenas. The prestige given to a blatant human rights violator. There are good reasons without even going to the "CHEATER!" cry, true though it may be. (And probably is, in a few cases. Yeah, I'm talking to you, He Kexin.)

Nikolai wrote:There are good reasons to object to China's hosting... but most of them are easier to prove then nebulous suspicions of cheating. Pollution/air quality, for instance. Organization. Some of the aforementioned shady publicism. China's having reneged on their promise to provide all members of foreign media with unfettered Internet access while in China. Poor building of event arenas. The prestige given to a blatant human rights violator. There are good reasons without even going to the "CHEATER!" cry, true though it may be. (And probably is, in a few cases. Yeah, I'm talking to you, He Kexin.)

Are you serious or sarcastic? I mean, the content suggests that you're heavily sarcastic, but you sound so serious...

Zemljanin wrote:

Nikolai wrote:There are good reasons to object to China's hosting... but most of them are easier to prove then nebulous suspicions of cheating. Pollution/air quality, for instance. Organization. Some of the aforementioned shady publicism. China's having reneged on their promise to provide all members of foreign media with unfettered Internet access while in China. Poor building of event arenas. The prestige given to a blatant human rights violator. There are good reasons without even going to the "CHEATER!" cry, true though it may be. (And probably is, in a few cases. Yeah, I'm talking to you, He Kexin.)

Are you serious or sarcastic? I mean, the content suggests that you're heavily sarcastic, but you sound so serious...

I particularly like the part where "using computer generated fireworks" is ground for China not hosting the olympics. 15,000 people practice their Choreography for a year to make the opening ceremony special, but generate a few bangers and you're muck

Anarkistsdream wrote:The Chinese judge gave three medals to America in Women's Saber...

Also, there is an Olympic Panel comprised of several of the larger countries that, if this were in the slightest true, would crack down and kick some ass.

So, in the end, you are wrong...

... I would have agreed with you, but two of the Chinese female gymnasts were stone cold busted for age violations... and nobody's talking about taking their medals away.

... But I do not agree that Olympics should be banned from China.

...

China is no different from the old East Germans.
A bunch of cheating bastards with no regard to the poor individuals who are competing in the sport, but rather using the Olympics as a demonstration of how great their country is.
The East Germans used to artifically inseminate under age gymnasts because a pregnant woman has increased hormones that allow more supple joints and tendons. then after the olympics they would abort the pregnancy.

All of these old communist olympians are so FUBAR with hormones, that you don't know what sex they are.

The olympics isn't the competition that it should be. When I look at the medal haul of the Australians, I'm impressed. A population of 19 million getting so many medals is fantastic.

The chinese are a bunch of sneaky cheating bastards.

Pedronicus wrote:China is no different from the old East Germans.
A bunch of cheating bastards with no regard to the poor individuals who are competing in the sport, but rather using the Olympics as a demonstration of how great their country is.
The East Germans used to artifically inseminate under age gymnasts because a pregnant woman has increased hormones that allow more supple joints and tendons. then after the olympics they would abort the pregnancy.

All of these old communist olympians are so FUBAR with hormones, that you don't know what sex they are.

The olympics isn't the competition that it should be. When I look at the medal haul of the Australians, I'm impressed. A population of 19 million getting so many medals is fantastic.

The chinese are a bunch of sneaky cheating bastards.

We should send the Duke of E out there to help them judge....I can imagine what he would be saying!

Pedronicus wrote:China is no different from the old East Germans.
A bunch of cheating bastards with no regard to the poor individuals who are competing in the sport, but rather using the Olympics as a demonstration of how great their country is.
The East Germans used to artifically inseminate under age gymnasts because a pregnant woman has increased hormones that allow more supple joints and tendons. then after the olympics they would abort the pregnancy.

All of these old communist olympians are so FUBAR with hormones, that you don't know what sex they are.

The olympics isn't the competition that it should be. When I look at the medal haul of the Australians, I'm impressed. A population of 19 million getting so many medals is fantastic.

The chinese are a bunch of sneaky cheating bastards.

why thank you

Pedronicus wrote:China is no different from the old East Germans.
A bunch of cheating bastards with no regard to the poor individuals who are competing in the sport, but rather using the Olympics as a demonstration of how great their country is.
The East Germans used to artifically inseminate under age gymnasts because a pregnant woman has increased hormones that allow more supple joints and tendons. then after the olympics they would abort the pregnancy.

All of these old communist olympians are so FUBAR with hormones, that you don't know what sex they are.

The olympics isn't the competition that it should be. When I look at the medal haul of the Australians, I'm impressed. A population of 19 million getting so many medals is fantastic.

The chinese are a bunch of sneaky cheating bastards.

Great. You've officially blacklisted CC in China.

Im glad Im not the only one noticing a slight biasness towards the chinese. Perhaps not outright cheaters but I feel that they have been get points which other countries deserve aswell. Its not the degree of difficulty either, because for the most case, they are all equal.

And can someone explain what an age violation is? is there like a miminum age or something?

nukie wrote:And can someone explain what an age violation is? is there like a minimum age or something?

The minimum age for gymnasts is 16, but there is a lot of speculation that a few of the Chinese female gymnasts are younger (for god's sake, one of them still has her baby teeth).

Beyond that, considering as the judging is from a international panel, not just chinese, it's kind of hard to say that they're cheating. However, I feel that they really are using these Olympics to show off their nation, which is kind of outside of the spirit of the Olympics...I cite the entire opening ceremony

muy_thaiguy wrote:

Zemljanin wrote:There is a rule - if two competitors have the same score, the one with harder practice is better placed. If American (actually Russian) girl was better than Chinese, she could choose harder practice and she would win.

I really couldn't believe what I've read in this thread. EVERYBODY (out of this thread) says that organization of this Olympic Games is ABSOLUTELY PERFECT in every imaginable way. The best ever! And more than 50% posters voted for banning China from organization... LMFAO

But you all forgot a thing of much greater emergency. Jamaican athletes have to be banned immediately (otherwise, they'll continue to wipe off everybody). They're just unacceptable fast! You better hurry!!

Did you watch how some of those Chinese gymnasts did in comparison to the others? I'm not saying China should be banned (though some of those girl's age do look questionable), I'm saying that when a gymnast messes up several times in a row, gets a high score, another one does it almost perfectly (except for 1 mistake), there's something wrong there.

EXACTLY!

kerntheconkerer wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:

Zemljanin wrote:There is a rule - if two competitors have the same score, the one with harder practice is better placed. If American (actually Russian) girl was better than Chinese, she could choose harder practice and she would win.

I really couldn't believe what I've read in this thread. EVERYBODY (out of this thread) says that organization of this Olympic Games is ABSOLUTELY PERFECT in every imaginable way. The best ever! And more than 50% posters voted for banning China from organization... LMFAO

But you all forgot a thing of much greater emergency. Jamaican athletes have to be banned immediately (otherwise, they'll continue to wipe off everybody). They're just unacceptable fast! You better hurry!!

Did you watch how some of those Chinese gymnasts did in comparison to the others? I'm not saying China should be banned (though some of those girl's age do look questionable), I'm saying that when a gymnast messes up several times in a row, gets a high score, another one does it almost perfectly (except for 1 mistake), there's something wrong there.

EXACTLY!

wow, just because of some bias in gymnastics you wanna shut China out of hosting the Olmypics you must be too jealous because China has more gold medals than USA...
and yes, I've heard someone mention human rights here, okay China might have some human rights problems but what about the Us? are they any better? whenever they start invading a country to "free it from terrorists", they'll randomly bomb places and in the end, more civillians are killed than militants...
China might be crappy, but USA wouldn't be much better...

kerntheconkerer wrote:it's not getting 2nd, if you actually watched most of the gynastics, it is rigged. The chinese girls get so high for doing not as good. The judges are from countries that have no gymnastic team at all, so how would they know what is good or not? the chinese government probably just bribed them. just now the womens uneven bars the american and chinese girl got the same score, but since you chinese girl performed first, the so called called chinese "computer system" automatically ranked her first. Not even go head to head or anything!!! if you guys actually watched the olympics you would notice things
I was saying china CANNOT win events where there are no judges! they suck! have you also noticed that they have all those gold medals and no silver or bronze?
seriously guys, pay attention and you might notice things...

NOT ALL OF THE JUDGES ARE CHINESE...

Pay attention and you might notice things...

Dumbass.

Has anyone noticed that team GB is doing really well?

icicletasty69 wrote:

nukie wrote:And can someone explain what an age violation is? is there like a minimum age or something?

The minimum age for gymnasts is 16, but there is a lot of speculation that a few of the Chinese female gymnasts are younger (for god's sake, one of them still has her baby teeth).

Beyond that, considering as the judging is from a international panel, not just chinese, it's kind of hard to say that they're cheating. However, I feel that they really are using these Olympics to show off their nation, which is kind of outside of the spirit of the Olympics...I cite the entire opening ceremony

so you've got to be at least 16 to do Gymanstics. how come we have a 14 year old in the diving and in the past 13 year olds in the swimming. is it just the rules of the governing body for Gymnastics?

Pedronicus wrote:Has anyone noticed that team GB is doing really well?

no... can't say that I have....

Paralel Bars sucked last night. The tie-breaker seems unfair, no? And that Australian judge is a 'wanker.'

Joodoo wrote:wow, just because of some bias in gymnastics you wanna shut China out of hosting the Olmypics you must be too jealous because China has more gold medals than USA...
and yes, I've heard someone mention human rights here, okay China might have some human rights problems but what about the Us? are they any better? whenever they start invading a country to "free it from terrorists", they'll randomly bomb places and in the end, more civillians are killed than militants...
China might be crappy, but USA wouldn't be much better...

LOL, wut?

What did the US do???
All guy said was China is abusing the Olympics and you're all like 'America sucks!' You got all political too.... And wait, are you English?

DAZMCFC wrote:so you've got to be at least 16 to do Gymanstics. how come we have a 14 year old in the diving and in the past 13 year olds in the swimming. is it just the rules of the governing body for Gymnastics?

Yes... each event is different.

Anarkistsdream wrote:

kerntheconkerer wrote:it's not getting 2nd, if you actually watched most of the gynastics, it is rigged. The chinese girls get so high for doing not as good. The judges are from countries that have no gymnastic team at all, so how would they know what is good or not? the chinese government probably just bribed them. just now the womens uneven bars the american and chinese girl got the same score, but since you chinese girl performed first, the so called called chinese "computer system" automatically ranked her first. Not even go head to head or anything!!! if you guys actually watched the olympics you would notice things
I was saying china CANNOT win events where there are no judges! they suck! have you also noticed that they have all those gold medals and no silver or bronze?
seriously guys, pay attention and you might notice things...

NOT ALL OF THE JUDGES ARE CHINESE...

Pay attention and you might notice things...

Dumbass.

if you noticed what i said before, exactly, because the judges are from countries who have no gynastic teams and are therefore terrible judges, probably being paid by the chinese government...
jeez why does everyone always so loud and annoying without even thinking?

kerntheconkerer wrote:if you noticed what i said before, exactly, because the judges are from countries who have no gynastic teams and are therefore terrible judges, probably being paid by the chinese government...

That's a good point. Countries whose teams never made the gymnastics...
But there are checks and balances over the judges though...