Conquer Club

trapyoung wrote:And to explain my poll answer of other I meant that CHAOS would ensue.

jbrettlip wrote:Why get rid of something people enjoy, and yet can be avoided by those that don't like it?...All my posts in that forum were kindly moved there by mods. I simply can't behave.

hulmey wrote:Theres always going to be people flaming and trolling in general and all the forums for that matter. By closing the flame wars i dont think the amount of flaming in the normal forums is going to decrease or increase in anyway!!

edbeard wrote:

jbrettlip wrote:Why get rid of something people enjoy, and yet can be avoided by those that don't like it?...All my posts in that forum were kindly moved there by mods. I simply can't behave.

I don't even need to explain why I put your two sentences right next to each other.

hulmey wrote:Theres always going to be people flaming and trolling in general and all the forums for that matter. By closing the flame wars i dont think the amount of flaming in the normal forums is going to decrease or increase in anyway!!

obviously it'd decrease after an initial increase. those that don't learn will no longer be able to post in the forums. others won't flame elsewhere because of real punishments instead of receiving minor scoldings and being told to 'take it to flame wars'.

and all the arguments that itll get worse but then be better in the long run, re-think that position, game chats will still exist & if there's no area to vent, the game chats will be forums for this... and you can't suggest that people's attitudes will become less abrasive; are people going to not run out of time in freestyle to get first start? are CM's going to stop being used? are freak dice occurrences going to done with? will the site stop crashing? will klobber quit playing new recruits only and boast about rank envy? will luke and leia find out they are brother and sister? will lando help the resistance? where will the_lion post as his new multi? have you thought over none of these questions?

hulmey wrote:isnt this meant to be a fun site...People finding flaming fun, so let them have it!! Its not hurting you or anybody else for that matter!! Also can u imagine the amount of bans and warnings and thee increased moderation that would happen if the flame wars was closed?

edbeard wrote:

hulmey wrote:isnt this meant to be a fun site...People finding flaming fun, so let them have it!! Its not hurting you or anybody else for that matter!! Also can u imagine the amount of bans and warnings and thee increased moderation that would happen if the flame wars was closed?

I don't really care about it, but others don't enjoy it. It leads to bad behaviour overall.

Increased moderation at first yes. But, in the long run, it'd lower it since the troublemakers would be gone.

There's obviously a maturity level problem which comes up in all the forums. Perhaps since many of the people are just very young.



It's harder to say, "you can do this but only here" and actually have that happen than if you just don't tolerate the behaviour at all.

edbeard wrote:

hulmey wrote:isnt this meant to be a fun site...People finding flaming fun, so let them have it!! Its not hurting you or anybody else for that matter!! Also can u imagine the amount of bans and warnings and thee increased moderation that would happen if the flame wars was closed?

I don't really care about it, but others don't enjoy it. It leads to bad behaviour overall.

Increased moderation at first yes. But, in the long run, it'd lower it since the troublemakers would be gone.

There's obviously a maturity level problem which comes up in all the forums. Perhaps since many of the people are just very young.



It's harder to say, "you can do this but only here" and actually have that happen than if you just don't tolerate the behaviour at all.

Anarkistsdream wrote:You're a Republican?

edbeard wrote:

hulmey wrote:isnt this meant to be a fun site...People finding flaming fun, so let them have it!! Its not hurting you or anybody else for that matter!! Also can u imagine the amount of bans and warnings and thee increased moderation that would happen if the flame wars was closed?

I don't really care about it, but others don't enjoy it. It leads to bad behaviour overall.

Increased moderation at first yes. But, in the long run, it'd lower it since the troublemakers would be gone.

There's obviously a maturity level problem which comes up in all the forums. Perhaps since many of the people are just very young.



It's harder to say, "you can do this but only here" and actually have that happen than if you just don't tolerate the behaviour at all.

Curmudgeonx wrote:

edbeard wrote: . . .

get rid of it. get rid of that immature behaviour.

. . ..

You know, because legislating and restricting behavior has such success in the real world.

I am extremely curious why Cicero is bringing this topic up though. It appears that Lack/Twill have a bigger ax to grind with the recent mayhem. While cleaning moderator malcontents out, let's just clean out all possible sources of conflict.

The game is the game, the forums add depth to a simple site using a simple dice rolling program with simplistic 2-D graphics. Down with flame wars and down the slippery slope it goes, down with certain clans, down with idle chatter which can get heated in the chatter box, and we will only be left with self-aggrandizing holier than thou posts in general discussion regaling us with their medals.

It can be done, and it can be done ruthlessly and effectively, but it will gut what makes this website unique and interesting. My personal opinion is that the thin-skinned mods/advisers who got their feelings hurt over the last month just need to "suck it up cupcake". You all know who you are.

Anarkistsdream wrote:How about we try this... Let's use FACTS to state our points as opposed to feelings or conjectures...

I'll start.

Flame Wars would be gone, so flaming would be gone? That's your ingenious peoples' opisions, right? No, but it'd certainly lower it and show that CC doesn't tolerate flaming at all. Currently it's OK to do as long as it's in Flame Wars. To many flamers this means it's ok to do it anywhere because the thread will get moved to flame wars or it's ok to flame until I'm told to stop.

Do the multi hunters stop there from being multis? No. This is not relevant at all. They certainly do lower the amount of multis though.

Do the Suggestions/Bug Reports forum stop there from being problems? No. Again this isn't relevant. Do you want my answer? No, having a place to post about suggestions and bug reports does not, in fact, stop problems. It does solve problems and prevent future ones which is the point of the forum.

Does appointing admins to control the site stop there from being friction? No (Just look at the Twill/Wicked Debacle.). No but they have 'powers' to control the forum and make sure rules are being followed.

Why you people think that just because there is no symptom means the disease would go away is ridiculous? This doesn't make sense. People are saying it will lessen the flaming. Just because you can't get rid of something entirely doesn't mean lowering it is not a good solution. The 'problem' (notice the ' ' marks) is that flaming occurs outside of flame wars. Apparently having a place to do flaming is not good enough for many people. This 'solution' has not worked so a zero tolerance policy is a good way to get rid of flaming. If people want to be part of the forums, they'll stop. If they don't, they'll be gone.

Not to mention, most of you don't go in FW anyway, so why do you care? Honestly, what makes you give a shit about it? For the people that use it, it helps relieve stress that they WILL otherwise take out on the community at large. As I said, I don't really care but others do. And, as I said, flaming is not limited to flame wars. Threads are moved and posters are warned daily. It might be time to get rid of flaming all together. Like you said, people will flame and troll no matter what. It's part of the internet. But, the amount of it can be lessened by setting rules and giving punishment.

And, if it doesn't have direct affect on your life, why post in this thread at all? Where is your own rage and indignation coming from? I don't have any. I'm just stating my opinion which is based on logic and reason. many other people's are not or are based on very poor logic