Conquer Club

Anarkistsdream wrote:Most violent Scene - Casualities of War, where Sean Penn has to watch his whole company rape the Vietnamese woman...

or do you mean Michael J. Fox? It was Sean Penn's character who lead the platoon to commit the crime.

JACKAZZTJM wrote:

Anarkistsdream wrote:Well, how are you rating this, people?

Film quality? Accuracy to the events? Stars in the film?

I mean, everyone is going to judge based on different criteria, so this poll is not going to reflect the true opinion.

Accuracy to the events - Deerhunter

Film Quality - Full Metal Jacket

Stars in the Film - Apocalypse Now.

Ability to watch again and again - Full Metal Jacket

Most violent Scene - Casualities of War, where Sean Penn has to watch his whole company rape the Vietnamese woman...

uugghh dude just fuckin vote its a simple question no reason to try and look like a badass..............apoc now

It wasn't a simple question, so suck my cock. And I wasn't trying to 'look like a badass.' Unlike your gay little avatar, sonny boy...

Now f*ck off.

reminisco wrote:

Anarkistsdream wrote:Most violent Scene - Casualities of War, where Sean Penn has to watch his whole company rape the Vietnamese woman...

or do you mean Michael J. Fox? It was Sean Penn's character who lead the platoon to commit the crime.

Yes... That's the one... Still, CoW was a great film.

Anarkistsdream wrote:Still, CoW was a great film.

agreed. one of DePalma's best.

and I still think Full Metal Jacket is the best of the titles listed. I've never been able to think of Apocalypse Now as a Vietnam movie...

it's too timeless a story, which is why i think Coppola picked the title -- to suggest that every epoch will consider it's own to be the apocalypse... the fact that it was set during Vietnam was just because that was the time in which the movie was made. to have strictly adapted Conrad's story to the time in which the story was set, would have sacrificed that timeless theme idea, that Conrad expressed in Heart of Darkness. it was an epic, and is often thought of as such by critics and those whose business it is to think about "the story" as an art form.

whereas Full Metal Jacket -- while expressing certain timeless themes, was done in a strictly historic setting. and oddly enough, i've always kind of thought of Full Metal Jacket as Kubrick's thematic sequel to Paths of Glory -- his only other strictly war movie (Dr. Strangelove doesn't really count as a war picture).

Anarkistsdream wrote:

JACKAZZTJM wrote:

Anarkistsdream wrote:Well, how are you rating this, people?

Film quality? Accuracy to the events? Stars in the film?

I mean, everyone is going to judge based on different criteria, so this poll is not going to reflect the true opinion.

Accuracy to the events - Deerhunter

Film Quality - Full Metal Jacket

Stars in the Film - Apocalypse Now.

Ability to watch again and again - Full Metal Jacket

Most violent Scene - Casualities of War, where Sean Penn has to watch his whole company rape the Vietnamese woman...

uugghh dude just fuckin vote its a simple question no reason to try and look like a badass..............apoc now

It wasn't a simple question, so suck my cock. And I wasn't trying to 'look like a badass.' Unlike your gay little avatar, sonny boy...

Now f*ck off.

hahaha good shit satan

What about We Were Soldiers?

caliboi2009 wrote:What about We Were Soldiers?

It's shit. If anyone tries to compare some pathetic ego-fest for Mel Gibson to the brilliance of Apocalypse Now, they ought to be deported.

Here's a good one to add to the list: 84 Charlie MoPic Easily the most realistic film set in Vietnam I've seen, doesn't rely on any star power, and a new take on traditional Vietnam cinema.

I hold to my belief that Apocalypse Now, while a positively brilliant cinematic adaptation of Conrad, had nothing to do with the war in Vietnam, and thus should not be compared with the other movies discussed herein.

spurgistan wrote:Here's a good one to add to the list: 84 Charlie MoPic Easily the most realistic film set in Vietnam I've seen, doesn't rely on any star power, and a new take on traditional Vietnam cinema.

I hold to my belief that Apocalypse Now, while a positively brilliant cinematic adaptation of Conrad, had nothing to do with the war in Vietnam, and thus should not be compared with the other movies discussed herein.

True, it really does transcend the genre.

<----------did not base his opinion on quotes.
I have learnt much from the great teachers of Kurtz and Kilgore, mr 'this poll is lame' dude Im gonna get me some air mobile stuff and play ride of the valkyrie...I hope you got some anti aircraft missiles!

McGrod wrote:<----------did not base his opinion on quotes.
I have learnt much from the great teachers of Kurtz and Kilgore, mr 'this poll is lame' dude Im gonna get me some air mobile stuff and play ride of the valkyrie...I hope you got some anti aircraft missiles!

You gotta love whichever mongloid wrote the poll o ption "Appocylyppse Now". Bloody genius.

Napoleon Ier wrote:

McGrod wrote:<----------did not base his opinion on quotes.
I have learnt much from the great teachers of Kurtz and Kilgore, mr 'this poll is lame' dude Im gonna get me some air mobile stuff and play ride of the valkyrie...I hope you got some anti aircraft missiles!

You gotta love whichever mongloid wrote the poll o ption "Appocylyppse Now". Bloody genius.

He did a bit better in the OP.

Napoleon Ier wrote:

caliboi2009 wrote:What about We Were Soldiers?

It's shit. If anyone tries to compare some pathetic ego-fest for Mel Gibson to the brilliance of Apocalypse Now, they ought to be deported.

And then 2 or 3 posts later you wonder "which mongoloid decided to include Apocalypse Now". Am i the only one confused here? " "We Were Soldiers" is the most realistic, with "Full Metal Jacket" a close second. As someone already brought out, "Apocalypse Now" was an adaptation of Conrad and other than a surreal depiction, had nothingthefuckwhatsoever to do witn Nam.


FREE NORSE!!
f*ck you twildo

b.k. barunt wrote:

Napoleon Ier wrote:

caliboi2009 wrote:What about We Were Soldiers?

It's shit. If anyone tries to compare some pathetic ego-fest for Mel Gibson to the brilliance of Apocalypse Now, they ought to be deported.

And then 2 or 3 posts later you wonder "which mongoloid decided to include Apocalypse Now". Am i the only one confused here? " "We Were Soldiers" is the most realistic, with "Full Metal Jacket" a close second. As someone already brought out, "Apocalypse Now" was an adaptation of Conrad and other than a surreal depiction, had nothingthefuckwhatsoever to do witn Nam.


FREE NORSE!!
f*ck you twildo

No, no...you misread dude, I was referring to the grotesque spelling of this masterpiece by the fool of an orignal poster. I'll agree that Apocaypse Now isn't a Nam film exclusively, but if you imagine a Venn diagram, I'd put it at being a film which englobulates the 'Nam genre, or of which the Viet-Nam genre is an element of.

AMERICA WON THE VIET-NAM WAR 1973!!!
f*ck you revisionist historians

McGrod wrote:<----------did not base his opinion on quotes.
I have learnt much from the great teachers of Kurtz and Kilgore, mr 'this poll is lame' dude Im gonna get me some air mobile stuff and play ride of the valkyrie...I hope you got some anti aircraft missiles!

Have fun, lameass!

What adds to Platoon's cause is the fact some events in the film really happened which included the director the soldiers raping the girl and him stopping it, him firing shots at a villagers feet. We were soldiers had a point to make but unfortunately it was ruined a bit by Mel Gibson.(not dissing him though).
and to the guy with a long name...take a chill pill and grab some air defences.
Born on 4th July fantastic film and good morning vietnam? nah it was based on true story but really it is another Robin Williams film of 'lets give two fingers to anyone in authority'.

Must confess that my spelling is sometimes terrible, preferable though to being a snotty nosed little virgin who fantasises about alter boys

hard to choose. Apocalypse is cinematically wonderful, Platoon is probably the most Vietnam of the Vietnam war films if you get my drift and Full Metal Jacket simply has some of the greatest dialogue ever in film.

Love 'em all.

If i was putting it down to depiction, then I think I'd go Platoon. But FMJ is my favourite.

joecoolfrog wrote:Must confess that my spelling is sometimes terrible, preferable though to being a snotty nosed little virgin who fantasises about alter boys

Shame you're a snotty nosed little virgin who fantasises about alter boys and can't spell, then.

Napoleon Ier wrote:Shame you're a snotty nosed little virgin who fantasises about alter boys and can't spell, then.

perhaps then, you'd like to alter the spelling of "altar", mr. smarty pants.

Dude, that was the joke, there.

Napoleon Ier wrote:

joecoolfrog wrote:Must confess that my spelling is sometimes terrible, preferable though to being a snotty nosed little virgin who fantasises about alter boys

Shame you're a snotty nosed little virgin who fantasises about alter boys and can't spell, then.

I thought we had already established I couldn't spell
Tell me why do you feel the need to start flaming in a non controversial thread such as this. does it make you feel important ?

joecoolfrog wrote:

Napoleon Ier wrote:

joecoolfrog wrote:Must confess that my spelling is sometimes terrible, preferable though to being a snotty nosed little virgin who fantasises about alter boys

Shame you're a snotty nosed little virgin who fantasises about alter boys and can't spell, then.

I thought we had already established I couldn't spell
Tell me why do you feel the need to start flaming in a non controversial thread such as this. does it make you feel important ?

I'm sorry, I thought you started, by suggesting "I love alter boys", actually, so...f*ck off, yeah?

You thought wrong !

Perhaps when you grow some hair on your bollocks your memory might improve

It's concerns the Vietnam war in a tangential way, but some mention should be given to Jacobs Ladder. There are very few movies that deal with psychological post-war afflictions, and in fact, if you look at it going back to the Novel, Rambo is really about a guy with PTSD... they just turned it into a comic franchise to turn a quick buck.

Also, not a cinematic masterpiece, but one you could really feel the "worms eye view" of the fighting was Hamburger Hill.

And I think "We Were Soldiers" has some underrated dialogue, like the following:

Col: I think you oughta get yourself an M-16.
Sgt Mjr: Sir, if the time comes I need one, there'll be plenty lying on the ground.

... tell me, who else but Sam Eliot could pull of that line today.

[that would be refocusing the thread BTW]