Diplomacy online.

Frigidus · Post by **Frigidus** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:56 pm

Hm...Haggis is still unconfirmed...you can do it, man!

browng-08 · Post by **browng-08** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:10 pm

Everyone who has joined/will join: post the name you use in Diplomacy.
List so far:

[Same as in CC]
browng-08
Frigidus
The Weird One
cena-rules
laland
neoteny
darvlay
Skittles!
Hanul
Coleman
Fircoal
GotTonkaed
Balsiefen
Caleb the Cruel
Ham

[Different than in CC]
Lawine (Avalanche) :shock:

Frigidus · Post by **Frigidus** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:00 pm

Hm...I wonder which country everyone is. :lol:

browng-08 · Post by **browng-08** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:05 am

Started a new game. "Guernica"

Join up! It should be faster paced because the deadlines are sooner.

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:16 am

I just joined, but I didn't get a 'confirmation e-mail'. Just let me join up straight away.

Same username, btw.

Hanul · Post by **Hanul** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:26 am

Hanul here. Playing both CC diplo games.

browng-08 · Post by **browng-08** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:57 am

Skittles! wrote:I just joined, but I didn't get a 'confirmation e-mail'. Just let me join up straight away.

Same username, btw.

Confirmation e-mails are automatically sent out once the game fill up (7 players). The game won't start untill everyone confirms.

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:22 am

browng-08 wrote:
Skittles! wrote:I just joined, but I didn't get a 'confirmation e-mail'. Just let me join up straight away.

Same username, btw.
Confirmation e-mails are automatically sent out once the game fill up (7 players). The game won't start untill everyone confirms.

Oh, right. Does that mean I have to keep checking my e-mails?

Ohjoy.

browng-08 · Post by **browng-08** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:25 am

Skittles! wrote:
browng-08 wrote:
Skittles! wrote:I just joined, but I didn't get a 'confirmation e-mail'. Just let me join up straight away.

Same username, btw.
Confirmation e-mails are automatically sent out once the game fill up (7 players). The game won't start untill everyone confirms.

Oh, right. Does that mean I have to keep checking my e-mails?

Ohjoy.

They'll work the kinks out eventually.
Btw, the game in question still needs 1 person...

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:31 am

I'm in, same name.

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:45 am

I'm in, same name.

Also I made a game, though it's not open for all CC players. As those who remember Everywhere used to have a diplomacy game here in the forum games, that died after his leave. THis game will be those who remember those times.

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:46 am

I actually do remember that, for some reason.

P.S. I think Fircoal has a crush on Everywhere.

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:03 am

Skittles! wrote:I actually do remember that, for some reason.

P.S. I think Fircoal has a crush on Everywhere.

no I don't. Just a good old user.

MeDeFe · Post by **MeDeFe** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:18 am

Neoteny wrote:I'm pretty stoked about the rules though. Seems like blatant underhandedness can be rewarded. I'm curious to see how the interface works.

Yep, it can be rewarded, or it can get everyone else set against you.

browng-08 · Post by **browng-08** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:44 am

My game (Guernica) needs confirmation.

Frigidus · Post by **Frigidus** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:30 pm

browng-08 wrote:My game (Guernica) needs confirmation.

Only one more...

browng-08 · Post by **browng-08** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:46 pm

Coleman's game needs confirmation...

Caleb the Cruel · Post by **Caleb the Cruel** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:27 pm

I started a game. Called it "#1" if anybody wants to join!

Hitman079 · Post by **Hitman079** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:58 pm

ah, i've always wanted to try out diplomacy, but i didn't get it because i didn't think i'd be able to round up enough people to play a game..and i don't like the 1-for-1 combat system

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:37 pm

I read the help thing, but it doesn't help very much. WTF do I do?

Neoteny · Post by **Neoteny** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:44 pm

Skittles! wrote:I read the help thing, but it doesn't help very much. WTF do I do?

It's complex as hell. Someone posted a rulebook on the second page, I think. Basically, you have to give your units an order before the phase is up. Meanwhile, you need to conspire openly and privately with other players to support you, or trick them, etc. As far as supports go, you need to read the instructions. Like I said, it's complicated. I have orders already in one of my games, but I guess I need to start talking to people in the other...

Frigidus · Post by **Frigidus** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:18 pm

Skittles! wrote:I read the help thing, but it doesn't help very much. WTF do I do?

The objective of the game is to hold a simple majority of the major cities (marked in the online version as black and white squares) at the end of a Fall turn (each year has a Spring and a Fall turn).

Aside from negotiating with other countries there are 4 things you can do:

Hold
Move
Support
Convoy

Hold basically means that you defend the area you're already in. This is the equivalent of telling the unit to stay where it is.

Move is a combination of two possible actions. First, and most simple, you are moving from one territory to an unoccupied one. Second, and more complicated, you are moving into a territory that your opponent either has an army or navy in or will attempt to move into as well. If a unit moves into a space already occupied by another unit and isn't stronger than the defending unit (more on strength later) then it fails in moving and remains where it came from. If two unsupported units (I'll explain support after this) attempt to move into the same area they both fail. They remain in the same spot they started in. If two enemy units attempt to invade past each other (switch places) they both fail and remain where they started.

Support is used to make a hold or move option stronger. If a holding unit is attacked then the supporting unit will help defend and if an moving unit meets resistance the supporting unit will help push them back. In order to support, the unit must border the objective area (the country thats either being moved into or defended).

If a unit is attacked while it's supporting, it's support is taken away and it attempts to defend. The attacker carries on with the attack minus the support.

Any nation can support any other nation. Support can not be refused, but it does not force the supported unit to do anything.

Convoy is used by naval units on the water to transport armies to different areas. If you have a chain of naval units convoying over multiple spaces you can convoy the army through the chain in one turn. If you convoy into an occupied space then the battle is treated like any other one. Other nations can assist in a convoy.

Rules on combat

While there are a lot of complexities to the system, the basic idea is that each unit has a strength of 1. Every supporting unit adds 1 to the total strength. So, for example, if one army with one unit supporting it (total strength of 2) attacked one army without support (total strength of 1) the defending unit would be driven out. That unit will retreat to an unoccupied border country of the nation's choice. If there is no unoccupied border then that unit is destroyed. As another example, if the army driven out in the last example had support (a strength of 2 to oppose the invaders strength of 2) then the invader would be driven back.

If a unit is attacked while it's supporting, it's support is taken away and it attempts to defend. The attacker carries on with the attack minus the support.

Any nation can support any other nation. Support can not be refused, but it does not force the supported unit to do anything.

There are so many examples of special scenarios that occur during combat (2 nations attacking one occupied country, 3 nations attacking one unoccupied country, etc.) that I won't bother mentioning it here...it would kind of defeat the purpose of making this a short version of the rules.

Naval Movement

Moving armies is pretty simple. They can move into any bordering territory or be convoyed across a body of water. However, there are a bunch of special scenarios that apply to navies. A navy can either be on a body of water or in a coastal country. If it is in a coastal country it covers the entire coast line. However, there are some special cases where they only cover part of the coast. For example, look at Spain on the map. As you can see, it has a North coast and a South coast. A unit that entered on the North coast can't, then, leave by the South coast. However, the unit is still considered to defend the entire country, even if attacked by a navy from the South. If a navy is on a coast, it can move to any other coastal country it borders. A navy can support land units and vice versa, but land units (obviously) can't help with a battle in open water and naval units can't help with an inland country.

Well there's the general idea. If you have any specific questions to go along with that, ask away. Finally, I apologize if the above is difficult to understand. I sometimes write in a rather strange way.

Frigidus · Post by **Frigidus** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:29 pm

Wow, I forgot a HUGE part of the rules.

Adding and removing units

A country is allowed to have as many units as it has major cities. That is why all the countries start with 3 units (except for Russia which has 4). At the end of every Fall turn the number of cities each nation has is counted. If it has more units than it does cities then enough will need to be disbanded to make the numbers even. You are allowed to choose which units to disband. If you have more cities than units then are allowed to place new units on any of your unoccupied 3 (or 4 if you're Russia) starting cities (underlined to make clear the limitations of placement). You are allowed to choose which of the two types of units you wish to create if you are placing them in a coastal area. If all your starting cities are occupied you will have to wait until the end of next Fall to place new units.

If a country has taken some or all of your starting cities they can not be used to produce new units. In the scenario that all of your starting cities are taken you will have to work with the units you have left. If you retake the starting cities they are treated like they normally would be.

Oh, one last thing

Sweden and Denmark are considered bordering coastal countries. You can move navies directly from one to the other other you can pass between them.

Hope I didn't miss anything, heheh.

browng-08 · Post by **browng-08** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:06 am

Frigidus wrote:Hope I didn't miss anything, heheh.

If you move into an unoccupied major city, is it consired an attack, or a normal move?

Neoteny · Post by **Neoteny** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:09 am

browng-08 wrote:
Frigidus wrote:Hope I didn't miss anything, heheh.
If you move into an unoccupied major city, is it consired an attack, or a normal move?

Same thing, I believe.