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Arbustos wrote::?
The acceptance of underage-drinking is slightly worrying. Instead of giving the teen alcohol as a treat and basically introducing them to a degenerative disease, why not warn them about the dangers of even moderate consumption, especially while the body is still developing? If they're made to understand their entire lives the unnecessary risk of alcohol, chances are they won't ever become alcoholics. Or you could just let them see you drunk a few times -- that should stop them from touching the stuff. (It worked for me, although with the obvious detriment to my health I never was going to anyways.)


Just a little statistic: Over 40% of all people who start drinking before 15 become alcoholics.

Maybe some of the tragic and unnecessary deaths I've seen of people 16 and under because of alcohol has something to do with my beliefs as well. You can't pretend a substance that is inherently addictive won't lead to abuse. I will say my hatred of cigs goes far beyond alcohol, though

Newsflash! Teenagers think they're fucking invincible and don't give a shit about their health, especially when it comes to alcohol! When I see my dad drunk, it can be fucking funny, or it just pisses me off. Either way, I still get drunk. With friends AND my parents. At parties. And it's fun, but since I know I can still get drunk at parties with them around, why the f*ck would I waste my time and money paying a bum to buy liquor for me, and run the risk of getting caught by them and never being able to touch another glass of wine until I'm 19? It would be downright stupid now, wouldn't it?

hecter wrote:

Arbustos wrote::?
The acceptance of underage-drinking is slightly worrying. Instead of giving the teen alcohol as a treat and basically introducing them to a degenerative disease, why not warn them about the dangers of even moderate consumption, especially while the body is still developing? If they're made to understand their entire lives the unnecessary risk of alcohol, chances are they won't ever become alcoholics. Or you could just let them see you drunk a few times -- that should stop them from touching the stuff. (It worked for me, although with the obvious detriment to my health I never was going to anyways.)


Just a little statistic: Over 40% of all people who start drinking before 15 become alcoholics.

Maybe some of the tragic and unnecessary deaths I've seen of people 16 and under because of alcohol has something to do with my beliefs as well. You can't pretend a substance that is inherently addictive won't lead to abuse. I will say my hatred of cigs goes far beyond alcohol, though

Newsflash! Teenagers think they're fucking invincible and don't give a shit about their health, especially when it comes to alcohol! When I see my dad drunk, it can be fucking funny, or it just pisses me off. Either way, I still get drunk. With friends AND my parents. At parties. And it's fun, but since I know I can still get drunk at parties with them around, why the f*ck would I waste my time and money paying a bum to buy liquor for me, and run the risk of getting caught by them and never being able to touch another glass of wine until I'm 19? It would be downright stupid now, wouldn't it?

Stop stereotyping. I know plenty of teens like me who know the risks and therefore choose not to do the drug. Sure, there are a lot that take the low road, but I wouldn't say they're the majority. And do you know how sad it is to see throughout this thread parents willfully letting their kids drink (sometimes way) underage? Yeah, let's let the kids learn their life lessons at home.

Besides, it tastes disgusting. My mom let me taste some so I'd know if someone was trying to slip me something, and I spit it out not because she told me to, but because it was revolting. I can't see what people find in the stuff -- I guess it's easy for me, though, because I'm not into physical pleasure.

Arbustos wrote:Stop stereotyping. I know plenty of teens like me who know the risks and therefore choose not to do the drug. Sure, there are a lot that take the low road, but I wouldn't say they're the majority. And do you know how sad it is to see throughout this thread parents willfully letting their kids drink (sometimes way) underage? Yeah, let's let the kids learn their life lessons at home.

So do I. Going to highschool, I know plenty of people that say that they will never do drugs. But I know WAY WAY WAY more that say they will, and have. Being 25 (and VERY boring, it seems), I don't think you're in the position to tell whether or not highschool students drink, where as I, the highschool student, am. Me getting drunk at 12 was a mistake on my moms part (she let me have too much wine at Christmas). She knows that, and, from then on, she had me drink more moderately. Ya, I've been getting drunk ever since. That doesn't mean I'm getting shit faced every week, or hell, every month. Again, it's really only at the odd party that we have. Drinking at an early age has helped me to know my limit and to know what that shit does to me. Now, I don't, nor do I want too, go out to some random kids house party and get totally shit faced, and run the risk of injuring myself because I'm in an uncontrolled, and therefor, unsafe environment. I wish I could say the same for some of my friends. I also won't jump into a bar the moment I turn 19 and spend the whole day on a bender, and end up behind the wheel of a car because I think I'm just "un-sober". Why? Because I know my limit, and I know that even after one or two drinks, I'm unfit to do anything except drink more and party.

Arbustos wrote:Besides, it tastes disgusting. My mom let me taste some so I'd know if someone was trying to slip me something, and I spit it out not because she told me to, but because it was revolting. I can't see what people find in the stuff -- I guess it's easy for me, though, because I'm not into physical pleasure.

You seem like quite the interesting fellow... Not into physical pleasure eh? Well excuse me while I got take some Ecstasy while having sex with 20 people on a bed of rose petals.

If you don't like alcohol, then don't drink it. It's your decision to make, and I'm not going to slam you for it. But you gotta know that what makes you so fucking boring is NOT the fact that you don't drink, but the fact that you're so self righteous about it and believes that everybody else should follow suit. Remember:

hecter wrote:

Arbustos wrote:Stop stereotyping. I know plenty of teens like me who know the risks and therefore choose not to do the drug. Sure, there are a lot that take the low road, but I wouldn't say they're the majority. And do you know how sad it is to see throughout this thread parents willfully letting their kids drink (sometimes way) underage? Yeah, let's let the kids learn their life lessons at home.

So do I. Going to highschool, I know plenty of people that say that they will never do drugs. But I know WAY WAY WAY more that say they will, and have. Being 25 (and VERY boring, it seems), I don't think you're in the position to tell whether or not highschool students drink, where as I, the highschool student, am. Me getting drunk at 12 was a mistake on my moms part (she let me have too much wine at Christmas). She knows that, and, from then on, she had me drink more moderately. Ya, I've been getting drunk ever since. That doesn't mean I'm getting shit faced every week, or hell, every month. Again, it's really only at the odd party that we have. Drinking at an early age has helped me to know my limit and to know what that shit does to me. Now, I don't, nor do I want too, go out to some random kids house party and get totally shit faced, and run the risk of injuring myself because I'm in an uncontrolled, and therefor, unsafe environment. I wish I could say the same for some of my friends. I also won't jump into a bar the moment I turn 19 and spend the whole day on a bender, and end up behind the wheel of a car because I think I'm just "un-sober". Why? Because I know my limit, and I know that even after one or two drinks, I'm unfit to do anything except drink more and party.

Arbustos wrote:Besides, it tastes disgusting. My mom let me taste some so I'd know if someone was trying to slip me something, and I spit it out not because she told me to, but because it was revolting. I can't see what people find in the stuff -- I guess it's easy for me, though, because I'm not into physical pleasure.

You seem like quite the interesting fellow... Not into physical pleasure eh? Well excuse me while I got take some Ecstasy while having sex with 20 people on a bed of rose petals.

If you don't like alcohol, then don't drink it. It's your decision to make, and I'm not going to slam you for it. But you gotta know that what makes you so fucking boring is NOT the fact that you don't drink, but the fact that you're so self righteous about it and believes that everybody else should follow suit. Remember:

I'm 16...

You do realize that drinking while you're still developing es un muy estupido thing to do, right? Just checking. And I'm not being self-righteous, or at least I'm not trying to be. What's wrong with being incredulous that so many parents would willfully let their kid damage their body? It has an even greater effect since you aren't finished growing... oh well, I guess as long as the damage isn't visible everything's alright -- I seriously doubt a parent would let their kid continue to cut themselves when they found out.

Just a question... do you really think drinking makes life more fun? Because if you have to chemically release your inhibitions to enjoy yourself (as many seem to think they do), there's a real problem. And my supposed pomposity (how my English teacher put it ) hasn't stopped plenty of people from hanging out with me. They don't seem to think I'm boring, but meh... I guess you can get that impression talking to someone through a computer screen.

Oh, about the douche statement: Only for your mother

Arbustos wrote::shock: I'm 16...

Oops... Guess it was somebody else who posted they were 25. My bad.

Arbustos wrote:You do realize that drinking while you're still developing es un muy estupido thing to do, right? Just checking. And I'm not being self-righteous, or at least I'm not trying to be. What's wrong with being incredulous that so many parents would willfully let their kid damage their body? It has an even greater effect since you aren't finished growing... oh well, I guess as long as the damage isn't visible everything's alright -- I seriously doubt a parent would let their kid continue to cut themselves when they found out.

Everything in excessive quantities can be damaging. However, as I said, I'm not getting shit faced all the fucking time. I really don't drink that much. So I'm SURE my liver is just fine. I'm not worried about my development, nor will I be that worried about my kids when I let them have a glass of wine on special occasions, or have a few beer at parties when they're older. If you want to be paranoid about it, fine by me.

Arbustos wrote:Just a question... do you really think drinking makes life more fun? Because if you have to chemically release your inhibitions to enjoy yourself (as many seem to think they do), there's a real problem. And my supposed pomposity (how my English teacher put it ) hasn't stopped plenty of people from hanging out with me. They don't seem to think I'm boring, but meh... I guess you can get that impression talking to someone through a computer screen.

I do think alcohol can make life more fun, yes. Since you haven't been drunk, you don't know what the experience is like, and, it can be quite enjoyable. I don't think you should just dismiss it like you have without first experiencing it, considering that, as long as you have some self control and don't go on a binge, you're risk of dependency is pretty low. However, since you're parents are against the whole thing, I don't recommend going to any parties where there's going to be drunk people around. Since you won't be getting drunk (which I don't recommend you do until you're of legal age, since you'll be really paranoid that you'll parents will find out [which they probably will] and will make the overall experience unenjoyable) you'll just see most of them as total assholes. But you're going to have to face the facts that pretty much everybody drinks socially, and if you're going to be a douche about it, and be constantly self-righteous, look at me, I don't drink, I'm totally awesome because I don't drink, you guys are all damaging you're bodies by drinking, are are sad because you have some fun while you drink attitude, then not many adults are going to like being around you.

Drinking socially isn't what I was talking about. I've even said wine in moderation is fine, although I won't ever take it myself (bad taste). And I like how you switch the beer thing around from way underage to "when they're older." Smooth

I've also said I don't drink in part BECAUSE of seeing my mom in the pathetic state of inebriation. I don't know where you got that my parents treat me like I'm in a bubble as far as drinking is concerned.

It's not that people have fun while they drink (although that can be a serious problem), it's that far too many drink to have fun. And if I'm not good company around those people, oh well, I'll get over it.

P.S. Again, I'm not trying to be pretentious -- I also dispute that pretty much everybody drinks socially, but whatever.

Everything in excessive quantities can be damaging. However, as I said, I'm not getting shit faced all the fucking time. I really don't drink that much. So I'm SURE my liver is just fine. I'm not worried about my development, nor will I be that worried about my kids when I let them have a glass of wine on special occasions, or have a few beer at parties when they're older. If you want to be paranoid about it, fine by me.

That's one of the worst mistakes a drinker (or user of any dangerous material) can make. Thinking that just because you don't drink or get drunk often means you're a-okay is SO WRONG. Didn't you ever listen to your health teacher or anyone like that?

Arbustos wrote:

Everything in excessive quantities can be damaging. However, as I said, I'm not getting shit faced all the fucking time. I really don't drink that much. So I'm SURE my liver is just fine. I'm not worried about my development, nor will I be that worried about my kids when I let them have a glass of wine on special occasions, or have a few beer at parties when they're older. If you want to be paranoid about it, fine by me.

That's one of the worst mistakes a drinker (or user of any dangerous material) can make. Thinking that just because you don't drink or get drunk often means you're a-okay is SO WRONG. Didn't you ever listen to your health teacher or anyone like that?

However, the demonisation of it is also wrong. The fact is, they're not fine, they will have a slightly increase chance to have liver damage, but if you have such a fragile liver, if a few drinks don't kill you, likely something else liver related will.

I appreciate where you're coming from arbustos, and it's laudable, mind, but I don't think it's fun. And not because "you have to drink to have fun" but because worrying about it all is bound to be pretty harsh, whereas if you have a relaxed attitude to it all, it would seem easier to take. Just my £0.01

Arbustos wrote:Drinking socially isn't what I was talking about. I've even said wine in moderation is fine, although I won't ever take it myself (bad taste). And I like how you switch the beer thing around from way underage to "when they're older." Smooth

I'm not saying to get your kid shit faced when they're fucking toddlers, however, "when they're older" is definitely in the teen years, in my book.

Arbustos wrote:It's not that people have fun while they drink (although that can be a serious problem), it's that far too many drink to have fun. And if I'm not good company around those people, oh well, I'll get over it.

Have you ever stopped to think that people drink to have fun because it IS fun? Besides, drinking is just one of many fun things that people do. However, if you find yourself drinking alone a lot, or you MUST drink to have fun, or even get through the day, then you obviously have a problem and should seek help. It's just that you seem to be clumping everybody that drinks at all in one, big, unhealthy clump, which is not the case.

Arbustos wrote:

Everything in excessive quantities can be damaging. However, as I said, I'm not getting shit faced all the fucking time. I really don't drink that much. So I'm SURE my liver is just fine. I'm not worried about my development, nor will I be that worried about my kids when I let them have a glass of wine on special occasions, or have a few beer at parties when they're older. If you want to be paranoid about it, fine by me.

That's one of the worst mistakes a drinker (or user of any dangerous material) can make. Thinking that just because you don't drink or get drunk often means you're a-okay is SO WRONG. Didn't you ever listen to your health teacher or anyone like that?

You're right! My 15 drinks (and I DO mean drinks, as in total drinks, not times I've been drunk, but as in 15 beers, or 15 glasses of wine, ect.) a year has turned my liver into paste and stunted my growth! What ever will I do!?

hecter wrote:

Arbustos wrote:

Everything in excessive quantities can be damaging. However, as I said, I'm not getting shit faced all the fucking time. I really don't drink that much. So I'm SURE my liver is just fine. I'm not worried about my development, nor will I be that worried about my kids when I let them have a glass of wine on special occasions, or have a few beer at parties when they're older. If you want to be paranoid about it, fine by me.

That's one of the worst mistakes a drinker (or user of any dangerous material) can make. Thinking that just because you don't drink or get drunk often means you're a-okay is SO WRONG. Didn't you ever listen to your health teacher or anyone like that?

You're right! My 15 drinks (and I DO mean drinks, as in total drinks, not times I've been drunk, but as in 15 beers, or 15 glasses of wine, ect.) a year has turned my liver into paste and stunted my growth! What ever will I do!?

I think the problem here is that you're sure that it's not going to hurt you, and arbustos wants to point out that you could still get liver failure, just not from going boozing.

Though I'm not sure what his point is then

The1exile wrote:I think the problem here is that you're sure that it's not going to hurt you, and arbustos wants to point out that you could still get liver failure, just not from going boozing.

I'm sure it's not going to hurt me as long as I practice self control and moderation. O, and as long as I don't do anything stupid, like drinking and driving (which I shouldn't do because I know my limit).

It might not, but that doesn't mean you can't get hurt anyway.

Fine, fine. Points taken. I would just like to point out that saying someone needs help once they get past a certain point doesn't solve anything; if they're past that point chances are they aren't going to do anything about it.

A lot of what I'm saying is tempered by all the lives I've seen screwed up around me, and what those people said sounds a lot like what you're saying now. If you can truly practice moderation your entire life, you're a rare breed. That's all.

Arbustos wrote:Fine, fine. Points taken. I would just like to point out that saying someone needs help once they get past a certain point doesn't solve anything; if they're past that point chances are they aren't going to do anything about it.

A lot of what I'm saying is tempered by all the lives I've seen screwed up around me, and what those people said sounds a lot like what you're saying now. If you can truly practice moderation your entire life, you're a rare breed. That's all.

You're right, you are a rare breed if you practice moderation you're entire life. Which is why most people, at some point in their lives, get completely shit faced, spend hours over a toilet, and end up passing out on the bathroom floor. Or end up waking beside a woman twice their age.

I also don't think that what you said about people getting past a certain point. Sometimes, it takes the people to get past that point, WAY past that point, to realize that they have to fucking do something about it.

AtomicSlug wrote:But the problem is that you can't stop kids from drinking or doing drugs. All u can do is do ur best to educate them, offer them help, and if ur religious, pray. If ur agnostic like me, well, just do the best u can and wish them the best.

All I was trying to say was that the more controlling parents are, the more likely their kids are to rebel. This is something I believe, I have no stats, but again, take it as u will.

I agree with that

i drink alchoholc drinks.kids are not a problem.i have very little alchohol tolerance.4 or 5 beers calm me down ,,,,,,,,i go to sleep easy.kids are straight a,s.no sickness,full minds and tummies,my mate and i have been 2gether 14 yrs. SUNTZU

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AtomicSlug wrote:

nagerous wrote:

AtomicSlug wrote:Kids are gonna do what they want. In fact, the more you tell them NOT to do something, in their teens they will do the opposite, just to defy you as a parent.

Ask them not to drive if they get drunk and not to get into a car with someone else that is driving drunk. Offer to pick them up from the party. And lastly, set and enforce a house rule: no alcohol or drugs allowed in the house.

Oh wait, one more thing: do NOT push any religion on your kids. My first boss was a Born Again Christian, and his daughter ended up being a tramp and druggie. If they want to go to church/temple/mosque/whatever - let them, but don't push religion or morals on them. Educate them for sure, but don't force it. Forcing anything only encourages rebellion.

Just suggestions from experiences from my own life. I'm not preaching here. Take it as you will.

I'm afraid I am going to have to disagree profoundly with a couple of your thoughts (and agree with a couple of your latter ones). Not trying to be antagonistic but if you're going to have a relationship where there is no trust with your children then this will only lead to later problems. We've always had alcohol in the house and I regularly drink with my parents at dinner time on weekends and friday nights (when I had school) for the last couple of years when I am only 18. They have always trusted me and let me do what I like. I have had no adverse affects from this as I have managed to get myself 2 As and 2 Bs at A levels, which is really good and am well in health. If they had been less lax, it would have encouraged me to rebel more and my relationship with my parents may have been more damaged. However, I do to a certain extent that religion should never be forced on children. Unfortunately we live in a society where parents are going to exert their authority on their children, forcing them to live a certain way and even possibly disowning them if they don't follow their ways, which is saddening.

I think it really depends on the family dynamics. My father was an abusive alcoholic and left when I was around 10. My mom told us not to smoke, as she light up a cigarrette. She told us not to drink, but had a nice stash of Whiskey (JD) and Vodka in a cupboard. We used to take some whiskey and then water it down because she kept a line on the bottle, but this always failed because she could always tell if it was watered down. So in my case it was a single parent raising 5 unruly kids.

We used to sneak in vodka, and then go upstairs to my room to mix it with the massive amounts of kool-aid that we kept coming downstairs for and play games like monopoly and shit. She had no idea. (and the only video game at that time was "Pong", so that can give u an idea about how ancient I am lol)

So basically, she would say shit like "Do as I say, not as I do", and sorry, but that shit just didn't fly.

But every family is different, and it helps a lot if both parents are there and the number of children are only a couple. Trying to keep track of 5+ kids is very difficult for any parent(s). We broke the rules just to defy her.

I completely understand that it is down to circumstance and how you've been raised. Once again its all relative. As I've never had any problems in my family regarding to alcohol and see it as just something me and my family enjoy to have in an evening to relax and chill out after a hard days work, I'm going to have a naturally positive view. Whilst you on the other hand have been in a large family with an alcoholic mother and rebelious kids, you have had a different experience and therefore are going to be naturally of the view that alcohol is very dangerous yet it should also be able to know that alcohol isn't some terrible terrible poison that is immediately harmful to drink like Arbustos is implying. You can't say ALCOHOL IS ALWAYS BAD just like you shouldn't say ALCOHOL DOESN'T HARM ME. I regularly drink, but then again its my body and my decision what I do with it and alcohol tends to often make me feel better. Things like the prohibition was so wrong because it would take away my right to drink if I want to, which is a violation of civil rights.

I also don't think that what you said about people getting past a certain point. Sometimes, it takes the people to get past that point, WAY past that point, to realize that they have to fucking do something about it.

Yeah, but thinking about what can happen during that time period when the person is a real threat to others (and they don't realize they have a problem yet), is kinda scary.

All that goes back to the safety issue, I guess. Like with Prohibition, should the government protect the populace from itself (or from other citizens)? I don't know.

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salvadevinemasse wrote:

AtomicSlug wrote:But the problem is that you can't stop kids from drinking or doing drugs. All u can do is do ur best to educate them, offer them help, and if ur religious, pray. If ur agnostic like me, well, just do the best u can and wish them the best.

All I was trying to say was that the more controlling parents are, the more likely their kids are to rebel. This is something I believe, I have no stats, but again, take it as u will.

I agree with that

JFC give this thread a rest! Studies show that if u push anything on teens, they will almost always tend to rebel.

'nuff said

~~~slug out

nagerous wrote:

AtomicSlug wrote:

nagerous wrote:

AtomicSlug wrote:Kids are gonna do what they want. In fact, the more you tell them NOT to do something, in their teens they will do the opposite, just to defy you as a parent.

Ask them not to drive if they get drunk and not to get into a car with someone else that is driving drunk. Offer to pick them up from the party. And lastly, set and enforce a house rule: no alcohol or drugs allowed in the house.

Oh wait, one more thing: do NOT push any religion on your kids. My first boss was a Born Again Christian, and his daughter ended up being a tramp and druggie. If they want to go to church/temple/mosque/whatever - let them, but don't push religion or morals on them. Educate them for sure, but don't force it. Forcing anything only encourages rebellion.

Just suggestions from experiences from my own life. I'm not preaching here. Take it as you will.

I'm afraid I am going to have to disagree profoundly with a couple of your thoughts (and agree with a couple of your latter ones). Not trying to be antagonistic but if you're going to have a relationship where there is no trust with your children then this will only lead to later problems. We've always had alcohol in the house and I regularly drink with my parents at dinner time on weekends and friday nights (when I had school) for the last couple of years when I am only 18. They have always trusted me and let me do what I like. I have had no adverse affects from this as I have managed to get myself 2 As and 2 Bs at A levels, which is really good and am well in health. If they had been less lax, it would have encouraged me to rebel more and my relationship with my parents may have been more damaged. However, I do to a certain extent that religion should never be forced on children. Unfortunately we live in a society where parents are going to exert their authority on their children, forcing them to live a certain way and even possibly disowning them if they don't follow their ways, which is saddening.

I think it really depends on the family dynamics. My father was an abusive alcoholic and left when I was around 10. My mom told us not to smoke, as she light up a cigarrette. She told us not to drink, but had a nice stash of Whiskey (JD) and Vodka in a cupboard. We used to take some whiskey and then water it down because she kept a line on the bottle, but this always failed because she could always tell if it was watered down. So in my case it was a single parent raising 5 unruly kids.

We used to sneak in vodka, and then go upstairs to my room to mix it with the massive amounts of kool-aid that we kept coming downstairs for and play games like monopoly and shit. She had no idea. (and the only video game at that time was "Pong", so that can give u an idea about how ancient I am lol)

So basically, she would say shit like "Do as I say, not as I do", and sorry, but that shit just didn't fly.

But every family is different, and it helps a lot if both parents are there and the number of children are only a couple. Trying to keep track of 5+ kids is very difficult for any parent(s). We broke the rules just to defy her.

I completely understand that it is down to circumstance and how you've been raised. Once again its all relative. As I've never had any problems in my family regarding to alcohol and see it as just something me and my family enjoy to have in an evening to relax and chill out after a hard days work, I'm going to have a naturally positive view. Whilst you on the other hand have been in a large family with an alcoholic mother and rebelious kids, you have had a different experience and therefore are going to be naturally of the view that alcohol is very dangerous yet it should also be able to know that alcohol isn't some terrible terrible poison that is immediately harmful to drink like Arbustos is implying. You can't say ALCOHOL IS ALWAYS BAD just like you shouldn't say ALCOHOL DOESN'T HARM ME. I regularly drink, but then again its my body and my decision what I do with it and alcohol tends to often make me feel better. Things like the prohibition was so wrong because it would take away my right to drink if I want to, which is a violation of civil rights.

I'm not saying that alcohol is always bad, but if any1 wants a good example of what smoking and drinking can do to you, invite me over and I'll bring my liver assay and my lung function tests.

'nuff said

~~~slug out

Whats this whole slug out thing? Thats ummm something alright! lol

Tequila. Lots of tequila

vtmarik wrote:Tequila. Lots of tequila

Yes. Tequila is good shit isnt it? I still love my wine and schnapps! *still has peach schnapps at you place...Maybe I could drink that while i eat my burger tonight at your place* Considering her options..