Conquer Club

degaston wrote:

DirtyDishSoap wrote:Mod note: Blood tests do not end the day. Think of it as a town cop with majority vote. It'll be tallied the same way.

If there's a lynch before there is a majority BT vote, does that mean there will be no BT, even if there's a plurality for one player??

A lynch ends the day. If no BT occurs that day and there is a lynch, the day ends.

DirtyDishSoap wrote:

degaston wrote:

DirtyDishSoap wrote:Mod note: Blood tests do not end the day. Think of it as a town cop with majority vote. It'll be tallied the same way.

If there's a lynch before there is a majority BT vote, does that mean there will be no BT, even if there's a plurality for one player??

A lynch ends the day. If no BT occurs that day and there is a lynch, the day ends.

Sorry, but I don't think that answered my question.

• Does a BT require a majority, or just a plurality?
• Assuming it requires a majority, if there is a majority, but then someone unvotes the BT before the lynch, will there be a BT, or not?

degaston wrote:

DirtyDishSoap wrote:

degaston wrote:

DirtyDishSoap wrote:Mod note: Blood tests do not end the day. Think of it as a town cop with majority vote. It'll be tallied the same way.

If there's a lynch before there is a majority BT vote, does that mean there will be no BT, even if there's a plurality for one player??

A lynch ends the day. If no BT occurs that day and there is a lynch, the day ends.

Sorry, but I don't think that answered my question.

• Does a BT require a majority, or just a plurality?
• Assuming it requires a majority, if there is a majority, but then someone unvotes the BT before the lynch, will there be a BT, or not?

Majority. If a BT occurs first then a lynch, i will do the former first and then lynch sincea BT did occur.

If a blood test does not end the day we should test a lot. But i have a feeling a BT will trigger someThing.

DirtyDishSoap wrote:Majority. If a BT occurs first then a lynch, i will do the former first and then lynch sincea BT did occur.

• "If a BT occurs first" - How could a BT occur after a lynch?
• Does a BT provide instant results?
• Can we do more than one BT per day?

degaston wrote:

DirtyDishSoap wrote:Majority. If a BT occurs first then a lynch, i will do the former first and then lynch sincea BT did occur.

• "If a BT occurs first" - How could a BT occur after a lynch?
• Does a BT provide instant results?
• Can we do more than one BT per day?

If a BT majority vote happens first before a lynch then that is how it will play out. Keep in mind that im not available 24/7, whether town chooses to wait on me or not is outof my control.
BT is instant.
No. 1 per day

Is there a downside to Blood testing that I'm not seeing? Because it seems like we as town should always BT and only vote once we have that info in hand. Innocent result means that we're looking for 2 of 9 instead of 2 of 10. Guilty and we have our lynch.

strike wolf wrote:Is there a downside to Blood testing that I'm not seeing? Because it seems like we as town should always BT and only vote once we have that info in hand. Innocent result means that we're looking for 2 of 9 instead of 2 of 10. Guilty and we have our lynch.

Okay, that's what I've kinda been thinking too. With the blood test there is no reason to ever lynch a townie or non-cult. Am I right on that?

strike wolf wrote:Is there a downside to Blood testing that I'm not seeing? Because it seems like we as town should always BT and only vote once we have that info in hand. Innocent result means that we're looking for 2 of 9 instead of 2 of 10. Guilty and we have our lynch.

We don't know atm. We don't even know for sure there are 2 things already. But reading the rules and knowing the movie i consider the possibility that something will occur on a BT. Anyways we have to use BT everyday that is how they found The Thing in the movie. So even if there is a downside we should BT.

Also today is the only day we can find him before he infects another one (if it is only one thing atm). So why would we pass on the 2/9 odds to get The Thing today? If there are 2 already thats a 3/9 chance. 1/3 are good enough odds to get lucky. That % will only drop after each night.

And a negative bloodtest today does not mean the subject will still be negative tomorrow. He could be infected overnight.

In fact, it almost seems like the blood test and lynch should just go hand-in-hand.
Positive blood test = automatic Lynch.
Negative blood test = automatic No Lynch.

Our quest is still to kill the original thing, right? Because we can only lynch one and from the signup thread, the Thing started with 1 conversion of choice and a night conversion. Means we can never eliminate all infecteds otherwise.

So every BT we take that is clean, is "clean" in the future too if we need to only find the original Thing.

FP Votanic:

Votanic wrote:In fact, it almost seems like the blood test and lynch should just go hand-in-hand.
Positive blood test = automatic Lynch.
Negative blood test = automatic No Lynch.

I agree, they can get converted but should never be lynched.

BT Pixar
Pixar hasnt said anything yet bar his confirmation and is active enough to be a good force for Town to have on their side.

Votanic wrote:Okay, that's what I've kinda been thinking too. With the blood test there is no reason to ever lynch a townie or non-cult. Am I right on that?

I'd say yes, until it gets down to something like 8 town and 3 things. At that point, if we don't lynch a thing, then they'll reach 50% the next day and be unstoppable, so we'd have to take a shot in the dark.

From the signup thread:

DirtyDishSoap wrote:
The Thing will start out with one converted person of his choice and a night conversion.

If this is true it means there are already 2 Things right? The Thing itself and his infected one (the one he chose to convert at the start).

That means if we dont lynch today its gonna be 3 things versus 7 townies tomorrow needing 6 votes to BT or Lynch..

The 3 Things will create doubt to not target them while we already would need almost a unanimous vote (6 out of 7)..

If the BT is negative we still should lynch somebody else at random to avoid the above scenario?

Cult works differently based on game. Sometimes when cult leader is killed the entire cult dies, sometimes the remaining cult return to their original alignment and sometimes they just stay cult and lose their recruiter. I can't recall a game where someone else could become the recruiter if the original recruiter is eliminated. I guess it would be possible but would make it very difficult for town to catch up as only a role block or a vig shot could then slow down cult and we would be extra screwed if those roles were recruited. Given that this is also a game that only seems to have a cult, no SK, no mafia and the game theme of how The Thing functions, I would lean that if we kill the original thing, cult will remain cult but they'll probably be limited in some form.

The key thing in cult games is change in behavior. A cult member absorbed by The Thing will have to act more defensively towards the leader because they're more or less screwed if the leader dies. Change of behavior play style is kind of annoying for players like me who come to conclusions based on multi-day analysis but can be useful because even skilled players will have a hard time not showing the change. The flip side though is that name claims in this game will be pretty much useless and if absorbed power roles absorbed retain their abilities then role claims will be just as useless.

As far as BTs, unless DDS tells us there is a negative side effect, what that side effect is and we decide that the side effect is too dangerous for us to use the BTs haphazardly, I believe it's best to use them early and then if there is a negative consequence, we are at least aware of what that is for future days.

Ill state that i did tweak a thing due to a lower player count. To keep it fair. BTs are harmless.

Blood Vote:
(1). Pixar - EW

Lynch Vote:
None

With 10 alive, it takes 6 for majority

Extreme Ways wrote:Our quest is still to kill the original thing, right? Because we can only lynch one and from the signup thread, the Thing started with 1 conversion of choice and a night conversion. Means we can never eliminate all infecteds otherwise.

So every BT we take that is clean, is "clean" in the future too if we need to only find the original Thing.

FP Votanic:

Votanic wrote:In fact, it almost seems like the blood test and lynch should just go hand-in-hand.
Positive blood test = automatic Lynch.
Negative blood test = automatic No Lynch.

I agree, they can get converted but should never be lynched.

BT Pixar
Pixar hasnt said anything yet bar his confirmation and is active enough to be a good force for Town to have on their side.

I think we have to kill em all. But that would be almost mission impossible.

Wiki says if the cult leader dies mostly the recruited ones die too. But it also says:

"If the Cult is not exterminated within the first two game Days, they almost inevitably win.

Most attempts at balancing a Cult need to address two problems: a swing issue (in which killing the Cult Leader early makes the Cult a non-issue, but failing to do so leaves them very powerful), and the issue that the cult can typically recruit as fast (or faster) than the town can eliminate them. Balanced games containing a Cult nearly always need to have some means of slowing the Cult down. This is much easier to do via a change to the game mechanics (or to the Cult mechanics) than it is using power roles;"

So we can expect changing game mechanics for sure i think.? We also need to find the original Thing on the first 2 days. So a BT and a lynch today? Taking the shot in the dark is better than no shot at all.

Extreme Ways wrote: So every BT we take that is clean, is "clean" in the future too if we need to only find the original Thing.

Wait? Is that true? I think the blood test will also test for those infected. That's how blood tests work in RL and in the movie.

Also, can the infected also infect others? I'm guessing not because then the cult would be too powerful.

So if we are starting with 2 Things, then we can do the regular strategy of pressuring someone at random and seeing how people react and who defends them etc. Starting with Pixar worked out well for town last game so BT Pixar

Can we chat about the flavor too? That movie is so good. I forgot just how much.
...and I still haven't rewatched the last half hour. I just prefer to take in my pop culture in smaller bite-side morsels.

But seriously,... hand guns, hard liquor, flame throwers, and flares. What else does any Antarctic research base need?

Votanic wrote:

Extreme Ways wrote: So every BT we take that is clean, is "clean" in the future too if we need to only find the original Thing.

Wait? Is that true? I think the blood test will also test for those infected. That's how blood tests work in RL and in the movie.

Also, can the infected also infect others? I'm guessing not because then the cult would be too powerful.

EW is just saying that a person who tests clean at a certain point can never be the original Thing even if he is converted later.

And just 1 conversion a night. But that means tomorrow there are 3 Things among us. Just 7 townies and we will need 6 votes (while the 3 Things will wanna steer us in the wrong direction bandwagoning a townie).

So today is the day to find The Thing.

I agree, let's start this and get our first test result. Was just wondering, if Pixar's test is negative, and the thing convert him tonight, we only have one BT per day, it means that tomorrow he is positive and BT's does not help us at all? Anyway, let's go for it.

BT Pixar

Votanic wrote:But seriously,... hand guns, hard liquor, flame throwers, and flares. What else does any Antarctic research base need?

Heating, surely.

Anyway, the only downside I can see to bloodtesting is that if I were The Thing, I'd defo convert whoever just got blood tested (I think someone else mentioned this, too).

DirtyDishSoap wrote:I'll just outright say it so you guys don't have to keep discussing mechanics. I eliminated the random conversion, due to a scenario that town just loses on d2. That's all I'm adding.

I will also reward Dirty points if you punch Roogen in the testies.

That is twice the mod mentions Ragian's name wrong.. and Ragian said someThing garbeld...could be coincidence but "Roogen" has to be Ragian?


If this is not a strong clue to BT Ragian i dont know what is?

We better be sure about who to BT. Could be we only get to 2 BT's in the entire game? One a day..

So the theory on Ragian is The Thing takes over ("feed on") the victim. But on a molecular level so the Thing even takes over memories from his victim. But it stays a Thing in the end. So it will be a mimic of the victim. The name pronounced like him but enough difference because it stays a mimic..

Id say we BT Ragian if we dont get a better clue all day? Why ignore the mod? It makes sense we would get some clues? The odds are almost impossible if not

In the rules its Roogian and Ragian said "Firm con...t...giggle" when he needed to say confirmed..

So twice his name got misspelled and the mod says he will give dirty points if we BT "Roogen"