No doubt the PLA/PLAN will take Taiwan ASAP. They started ramping up after the Afghanistan debacle when they realized no one was in charge in D.C. And they know they have to get it done before non-geriatric government is restored in the U.S. which may end up being well before January 2025 at the current pace of things.
I'd expect it to start with a sustained, cross-straits missile barrage lasting several days relatively soon. The ChiComs don't have the capacity to launch an amphibious assault so they'll just pummel Taiwan into agreeing to become an internally self-governing SAR of the PRC. That way they can also sidestep the remote possibility of a U.S. naval intervention in the event Biden is overthrown next Tuesday.
Re: Russian peacekeeping forces enter Ukraine
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:41 pm
by Frito Bandito
Screw putin! And the traitors who support him! I'm looking at you trump & tucker carlson!
Re: Russian peacekeeping forces enter Ukraine
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:28 pm
by mookiemcgee
Frito Bandito wrote:Screw putin! And the traitors who support him! I'm looking at you trump & tucker carlson!
You can add Saxi 'I'll support whomever I like' toxin to that list.
Re: Russian peacekeeping forces enter Ukraine
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:24 pm
by jonesthecurl
Can we call that treason? Why not? I mean they certainly didn’t seem to love our country that much.
Re: Russian peacekeeping forces enter Ukraine
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:45 am
by saxitoxin
Shouldn't you guys be worrying about finding Kony?
I feel like you need to wrap-up one hairbrained crusade first before moving onto the next one.
Re: Russian peacekeeping forces enter Ukraine
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:12 am
by DirtyDishSoap
I just fail to see the reasoning behind supporting Russia. I'm also against in acting the worlds police too under the guise of freedom and liberty. Idk. Weird stance
Re: Russian peacekeeping forces enter Ukraine
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:10 am
by saxitoxin
All we know for sure is that this is gonna ruin Joy Behar's vacay to Italy. Pretty brutal that President Putin didn't even consider that.
Re: Russian peacekeeping forces enter Ukraine
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:34 am
by jusplay4fun
saxitoxin wrote:Shouldn't you guys be worrying about finding Kony?
I feel like you need to wrap-up one hairbrained crusade first before moving onto the next one.
Is that why you stopped posting about COVID vaccines?
Re: Russian peacekeeping forces enter Ukraine
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:36 am
by Qwert
Can someone explain to me why US buy every day 600k barrels of oil from Russia ? I mean if you want to impose sancions on Russia and demand that European Union dont buy gas and oil from Russia, you doing opposite??? What the point?
Re: Russian peacekeeping forces enter Ukraine
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:55 am
by ConfederateSS
-------------Feb.25th,2022 A.D. 10:45 am...Russian Troops reach Kiev...Maybe Russia will annex...From Russia to the Dnieper River, including Kiev....Let Ukraine keep land from The River to Poland etc...move the Capital of Ukraine to Lvov...There are reports, That Ukraine Pres. Is willing to negotiate with Moscow...So, will wait and see...If Russia surrounds the city, or goes in after the Ukraine Pres...
-------------------All the so called experts on T.V. are taking about urban warfare....If anyone knows about urban warfare , It's Russia...I.E..Stalingrad....They are not going to bomb the cities like Kiev and Kharkov...to death...That is the mistake the Germans made in WW2....For then the streets are full of rubble...The tanks can't move...Now people can hide and use the rubble against the attacker... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...
Re: Russian peacekeeping forces enter Ukraine
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 5:13 am
by DirtyDishSoap
Thinking about going back into the infantry.
Dissuade me.
Re: Russian peacekeeping forces enter Ukraine
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 5:26 am
by Maxleod
DirtyDishSoap wrote:Thinking about going back into the infantry.
Dissuade me.
You don't have what it takes. You're not cut for the job.
Re: Russian peacekeeping forces enter Ukraine
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 5:28 am
by DirtyDishSoap
Maxleod wrote:
DirtyDishSoap wrote:Thinking about going back into the infantry.
Dissuade me.
You don't have what it takes. You're not cut for the job.
You're first on my list of people that need to go
<3
Despite my "age" i could still run circles around you keyboard warriors
Re: Russian peacekeeping forces enter Ukraine
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:28 am
by bigtoughralf
Qwert wrote:Can someone explain to me why US buy every day 600k barrels of oil from Russia ? I mean if you want to impose sancions on Russia and demand that European Union dont buy gas and oil from Russia, you doing opposite??? What the point?
The US is aware it did basically the same thing when it organised the overthrow of Ukraine's government in 2014 so it's not willing to get on too high a moral high horse rn.
Re: Russian peacekeeping forces enter Ukraine
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:38 am
by jimboston
1) I don’t under why people are even mentioning VP Kamala in the context of this issue.
As VICE President she has no power or ability to influence the outcome of this event in any way.
(Shit even Joe as President has very limited influence the outcome of this event… so mentioning Kamala is idiotic.)
2) The US has no intention of sending troops or involving itself directly in this conflict.
… from CNN…
Biden has also been very clear on another point: US troops will not be sent to Ukraine to take part in the conflict.
As he announced new sanctions on Russia on Thursday, Biden said, "Our forces are not and will not be engaged in the conflict." He added, "Our forces are not going to Europe to fight in Ukraine but to defend our NATO allies and reassure those allies in the east."
If we want to send Ukraine weapons, and make this some sort of ‘proxy war’ fine… I guess. Maybe it makes sense to make a show and/or make sure Russia pays some “price” for this action. Mostly we will just talk and bluster and “increase sanctions”… which is meaningless in the long run. Most of the talk and bluster from the US Gov’t is just a way of “saving face” to somehow pretend we aren’t impotent in this matter. The that fact is we are impotent here because ultimately NO ONE in the US wants to send American Military to fight directly in a cause that is grey and not likely winnable and not well understood by the American public. Putin of course knows this… and knows we won’t do anything “for reals”… otherwise he wouldn’t have invaded. He’s smart… he knows he can increase his internal prestige and power with very little risk.
3) Comparing this to pre-WW2 Europe and Hitler is lame… the analogy breaks down very quickly. So much is different. Putin is not a real threat to greater Europe the way Hitler was. Putin is a power hungry dictator like Hitler, but that’s where the comparison ends… he’s not insane like Hitler, and Russian human rights abuses pale in comparison to Hitler’s and even are nothing compared to Chinese abuses Right Now.
At the end of the day my life (and the lives of most people in “The West”) is really No Different. It matters not to us wether Ukraine stays as-is or whether Russia annex’s a big chunk of it… and that’s why we will do nothing.
Re: Russian peacekeeping forces enter Ukraine
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:39 am
by jimboston
bigtoughralf wrote:
Qwert wrote:Can someone explain to me why US buy every day 600k barrels of oil from Russia ? I mean if you want to impose sancions on Russia and demand that European Union dont buy gas and oil from Russia, you doing opposite??? What the point?
The US is aware it did basically the same thing when it organised the overthrow of Ukraine's government in 2014 so it's not willing to get on too high a moral high horse rn.
Yeah… not “basically the same thing”… but again it’s moot.
Re: Russian peacekeeping forces enter Ukraine
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:41 am
by jimboston
DirtyDishSoap wrote:Thinking about going back into the infantry.
Dissuade me.
Go for it.
Whether or not you’re in the US Infantry… you won’t be doing anything IN Ukraine, so what does this have to do with the topic?
Re: Russian peacekeeping forces enter Ukraine
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:02 am
by jimboston
saxitoxin wrote:No doubt the PLA/PLAN will take Taiwan ASAP. They started ramping up after the Afghanistan debacle when they realized no one was in charge in D.C. And they know they have to get it done before non-geriatric government is restored in the U.S. which may end up being well before January 2025 at the current pace of things.
I'd expect it to start with a sustained, cross-straits missile barrage lasting several days relatively soon. The ChiComs don't have the capacity to launch an amphibious assault so they'll just pummel Taiwan into agreeing to become an internally self-governing SAR of the PRC. That way they can also sidestep the remote possibility of a U.S. naval intervention in the event Biden is overthrown next Tuesday.
This deserves it’s own thread.
Taiwan is different from Ukraine for a few reasons… the most important is that we (The USA) has actually promised to defend Taiwan. We have no similar promise to Ukraine.
This promise, though idiotic, changes the math.
No US President and very few American citizens would actually want to defend Taiwan with troops and Navy vessels.
… but if China were to invade and we sat it out we would lose serious credibility, and therefore serious power.
China knows the situation is different, which is why they have not already made their move. They’ve been content to play “the long game” for the last 50+ years. The situation is unsustainable… but it also doesn’t HAVE to end in a military conflict. The trick is finding an alternate solution. I don’t pretend to have that answer. Had the transfer of Hong Kong gone better… perhaps that could’ve been a model to us… but things currently don’t look great.
The situation also is different than the Ukraine/Russian situation in that there is no real ethnic squabble involved. In Ukraine their is a perceived ethnic “difference” between Ukrainians and Ethnic Russian Ukrainians. In Ukraine this “difference” has existed for a long time. In Taiwan they all consider themselves Chinese… and mainland Chinese people consider Taiwanese people to be their brothers/sisters. There’s no ethnic conflict there and no desire to just “wipe out” these perceived “others”. (China has other ethnic squabbles… but that’s not a factors in the Taiwan situation.). The Taiwan situation is 100% political.
Re: Russian peacekeeping forces enter Ukraine
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:09 pm
by HitRed
I just don't see 190,000 troops being enough to take Ukraine
Ukraine size 603,628 km2 (233,062 sq mi)
Ukraine population 41,000,000
Re: Russian peacekeeping forces enter Ukraine
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:38 pm
by saxitoxin
DirtyDishSoap wrote:Thinking about going back into the infantry.
Dissuade me.
Biden lifted the transgender ban so you should be okay to return.
Re: Russian peacekeeping forces enter Ukraine
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:04 pm
by Serbia
DirtyDishSoap wrote:Thinking about going back into the infantry.
Dissuade me.
You’ll miss hanging out in Seattle area bars and being hit on by ugly psycho women while sharking the pool scene.
Re: Russian peacekeeping forces enter Ukraine
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:50 pm
by riskllama
saxitoxin wrote:
DirtyDishSoap wrote:Thinking about going back into the infantry.
Dissuade me.
Biden lifted the transgender ban so you should be okay to return.
Re: Russian peacekeeping forces enter Ukraine
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 7:46 am
by Qwert
So many say that bombarding Yugoslavia 1999 by NAto against any UN approval and then create new state braking teritorial integrity of other country will open pandora box where all other coutries territorial integrity will mean nothing and where any minority could ceded and create new countries.
US belive that only they have right to invade and create pupet states , its look that things are change now Russia learn from US how to invade and change regimes by force.
And we all know how US created allies in Afghanistan just been abandoned by US, left to be killed by Talibans. Not to mention how many weapons and military equipment left behind.
Re: Russian peacekeeping forces enter Ukraine
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 9:27 am
by HitRed
Gross Domestic Product Russia vs Texas
Texas outpaces Russia when it comes to GDP. Russia’s gross domestic product amounts to about 1.3 trillion, while the Lone Star State’s comes to about 1.7 trillion.
Re: Russian peacekeeping forces enter Ukraine
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:05 am
by Serbia
Qwert wrote:So many say that bombarding Yugoslavia 1999 by NAto against any UN approval and then create new state braking teritorial integrity of other country will open pandora box where all other coutries territorial integrity will mean nothing and where any minority could ceded and create new countries.
US belive that only they have right to invade and create pupet states , its look that things are change now Russia learn from US how to invade and change regimes by force.
And we all know how US created allies in Afghanistan just been abandoned by US, left to be killed by Talibans. Not to mention how many weapons and military equipment left behind.
Are you trying to say you’re pro-Russian aggression?
Based on Putin’s threats against Sweden and Finland now too, I’d suggest you sit back and wait; Russian tanks may eventually come thank you for your support in person.
ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...