[IC3] Winners: LOW! Final 12/2/21 MVP Deanos75

[IcePack]

jghost is really sitting here saying his own clan is getting farmed in a cup they chose to join lol. wild.

as for all the farming comments in general.. who cares, really? if you all think REP are a "top clan" (debatable) then what else should they do? if they join other events, they'll "farm" the weaker clans and lose to the best anyway. one way or another their ranking will go up. this is just like Newcomer's Cup which was "farmed" by any new, good clan who started up.

i don't even understand why cayman is bothered. not like ATL wouldn't join given the chance lol.

We would absolutely not join. I ran IC2 and Lindax tried to force me to add ATL in and I refused multiple times as the goal of the tournament was for the majority of clans to have a legit shot of winning.

You'd join this time then? Since REP are as good as a top clan it wouldn't be a free win for ATL?

No surprised but we were not asked. We are focused on CC right now so I don't think we would have joined.

Didn't ask either of the previous winners for obvious reasons (ATL or RA)

Worried you might have a chance to lose?

LOL according to you I got nothing to worry about, just look at our roster
The intent of the event was to offer up something like the Newcomers Cup (which had gone away) and provide opportunities for clans to win cups that might not otherwise participate / win one of their own. By definition, ATL and RA already showed themselves at the top of the available group previously so there was no need to include them again. Plus, the aim was to get the 8 closest / evenest clans possible. The ones invited were all very equal (within 200 rating points from top to bottom clan)

My original PM

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[quote="IcePack"]For Reference: https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=442&t=230064 https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=442&t=228000 Greetings! I have permission from the CD's to explore a potential event. It would be the IC3 if it were to happen (references linked above for the first two). It would be a random bracket 8 Clan event, probably aiming for (roughly) March 1st (ish) start up. If this went ahead it looks (right now based on my invitations) something like this: VNM - Ranked 11th 1047 Rating (50.66%) LOW - Ranked 12th 1026 Rating (51.8%) RGV - Ranked 13th 1023 Rating (46.2%) RET - Ranked 14th 990 Rating (55.5%) DBD - Ranked 15th 982 Rating (48.3%) AFOS - Ranked 16th 980 Rating (48.6%) GON - Ranked 17th 865 Rating (50.9%) REP - New Clan Not Ranked (Start at 1000 Rating) I aimed for this group because its the most condensed group of clans there are so its all pretty equal. I also went into it considering #1 trying to keep it as fair as possible, #2 not including any previous IC winners, #3 I (tried) to keep all clans with records ~ 50% game wins. All in all, I think this group contains the most fair "Cup" potential I could possibly hope for, and why you are all receiving the invites. If there is substantial interest from within this group, we can finalize the details and timeframe. I expect the framework to be largely the same as the first two (possibly even unchanged unless there is serious objection) but before I put in a ton of effort / work, wanted to check in with the Clans. Are you interested in participating in such an event? I know some are also considering or already signed up for the CCup, and I dont want to take away / disrupt that as its the priority / prestige event but perhaps there are some of you that are interested in both or think you'll be out after Round 1 anyway, this will give you something else to chew on and a decent chance at potentially taking home a event win :) Hope all of you are happy and healthy and starting the new year right. Thanks for taking the time to read this and hope to hear from you soon. Thanks Jason / IcePack[/quote]

[IcePack]

jghost is really sitting here saying his own clan is getting farmed in a cup they chose to join lol. wild.

as for all the farming comments in general.. who cares, really? if you all think REP are a "top clan" (debatable) then what else should they do? if they join other events, they'll "farm" the weaker clans and lose to the best anyway. one way or another their ranking will go up. this is just like Newcomer's Cup which was "farmed" by any new, good clan who started up.

i don't even understand why cayman is bothered. not like ATL wouldn't join given the chance lol.

We would absolutely not join. I ran IC2 and Lindax tried to force me to add ATL in and I refused multiple times as the goal of the tournament was for the majority of clans to have a legit shot of winning.

You'd join this time then? Since REP are as good as a top clan it wouldn't be a free win for ATL?

No surprised but we were not asked. We are focused on CC right now so I don't think we would have joined.

This was the bracket when ATL won the Invitational Cup. I'd say REP has a harder run than ATL did, don't you think?

Dont bring up facts, he just wants you to LOOK at the ROSTER. No games need to be played. Thats why 20 troop stacks ALWAYS beats a 15, I mean, just LOOK. Its got MORE.

[Caymanmew]

jghost is really sitting here saying his own clan is getting farmed in a cup they chose to join lol. wild.

as for all the farming comments in general.. who cares, really? if you all think REP are a "top clan" (debatable) then what else should they do? if they join other events, they'll "farm" the weaker clans and lose to the best anyway. one way or another their ranking will go up. this is just like Newcomer's Cup which was "farmed" by any new, good clan who started up.

i don't even understand why cayman is bothered. not like ATL wouldn't join given the chance lol.

We would absolutely not join. I ran IC2 and Lindax tried to force me to add ATL in and I refused multiple times as the goal of the tournament was for the majority of clans to have a legit shot of winning.

You'd join this time then? Since REP are as good as a top clan it wouldn't be a free win for ATL?

No surprised but we were not asked. We are focused on CC right now so I don't think we would have joined.

This was the bracket when ATL won the Invitational Cup. I'd say REP has a harder run than ATL did, don't you think?

ATL IC1 as a replacement for HH in June 2018. We were ranked 16th, compared to RA at 14, and SOH at 9 we were far from favourites.

I had actually only been in the clan for 2 months, the same for GeneralTaken who joined with me. Misteryforall had been in the clan for a month and a half. Between the time we joined in June 2018 and the start of the finals in Dec 2018 we added Kaiser Szami, Elaterate, DBdanit70, and Phil Gates. Additionally, I was added as a leader and took over war planning.

By the time we won we were far from the same clan who joined as we had both improved as a team and recruited a number of key players.

At the start of IC1, I'd say SOH was the clear favourite and did not really belong. Still the current REP squad looks much stronger then SOH when they joined IC1.

[IcePack]

jghost is really sitting here saying his own clan is getting farmed in a cup they chose to join lol. wild.

as for all the farming comments in general.. who cares, really? if you all think REP are a "top clan" (debatable) then what else should they do? if they join other events, they'll "farm" the weaker clans and lose to the best anyway. one way or another their ranking will go up. this is just like Newcomer's Cup which was "farmed" by any new, good clan who started up.

i don't even understand why cayman is bothered. not like ATL wouldn't join given the chance lol.

We would absolutely not join. I ran IC2 and Lindax tried to force me to add ATL in and I refused multiple times as the goal of the tournament was for the majority of clans to have a legit shot of winning.

You'd join this time then? Since REP are as good as a top clan it wouldn't be a free win for ATL?

No surprised but we were not asked. We are focused on CC right now so I don't think we would have joined.

This was the bracket when ATL won the Invitational Cup. I'd say REP has a harder run than ATL did, don't you think?

ATL IC1 as a replacement for HH in June 2018. We were ranked 16th, compared to RA at 14, and SOH at 9 we were far from favourites.

I had actually only been in the clan for 2 months, the same for GeneralTaken who joined with me. Misteryforall had been in the clan for a month and a half. Between the time we joined in June 2018 and the start of the finals in Dec 2018 we added Kaiser Szami, Elaterate, DBdanit70, and Phil Gates. Additionally, I was added as a leader and took over war planning.

By the time we won we were far from the same clan who joined as we had both improved as a team and recruited a number of key players.

At the start of IC1, I'd say SOH was the clear favourite and did not really belong. Still the current REP squad looks much stronger then SOH when they joined IC1.

Oh so when its ATL, ranking matters and length of time as a team matters. But when its REP...just LOOK at our roster... ok bud.

[iAmCaffeine]

ATL IC1 as a replacement for HH in June 2018. We were ranked 16th, compared to RA at 14, and SOH at 9 we were far from favourites.

So it's ok to use ranking as an argument when it suits you, but not for REP?

I had actually only been in the clan for 2 months, the same for GeneralTaken who joined with me. Misteryforall had been in the clan for a month and a half. Between the time we joined in June 2018 and the start of the finals in Dec 2018 we added Kaiser Szami, Elaterate, DBdanit70, and Phil Gates.

So there's you, a decent player. And a load of... other players. Nobody who's really going to take you from a top 20 to a top 10 clan, let's be realistic. Although I will admit ATL were a husk of their former selves at that time, so new players were needed no matter how adequate. ATL has a small group of very good players, and a load of people you can count on to do their part (most of the time). Sounds similar to how REP looks, in my opinion at least.

Additionally, I was added as a leader and took over war planning.

You took over war planning for the first time, just like swimmer is for REP now. Sounds similar.

By the time we won we were far from the same clan who joined as we had both improved as a team and recruited a number of key players.

Congrats! Would you like a medal? Oh, wait, you got one..

At the start of IC1, I'd say SOH was the clear favourite and did not really belong. Still the current REP squad looks much stronger then SOH when they joined IC1.

I don't think SOH have ever been favourites to win anything, ever. They had one good League season that was completely unexpected and likely an overperformance and then imploded. That was it.

[Caymanmew]

We would absolutely not join. I ran IC2 and Lindax tried to force me to add ATL in and I refused multiple times as the goal of the tournament was for the majority of clans to have a legit shot of winning.

You'd join this time then? Since REP are as good as a top clan it wouldn't be a free win for ATL?

No surprised but we were not asked. We are focused on CC right now so I don't think we would have joined.

This was the bracket when ATL won the Invitational Cup. I'd say REP has a harder run than ATL did, don't you think?

ATL IC1 as a replacement for HH in June 2018. We were ranked 16th, compared to RA at 14, and SOH at 9 we were far from favourites.

I had actually only been in the clan for 2 months, the same for GeneralTaken who joined with me. Misteryforall had been in the clan for a month and a half. Between the time we joined in June 2018 and the start of the finals in Dec 2018 we added Kaiser Szami, Elaterate, DBdanit70, and Phil Gates. Additionally, I was added as a leader and took over war planning.

By the time we won we were far from the same clan who joined as we had both improved as a team and recruited a number of key players.

At the start of IC1, I'd say SOH was the clear favourite and did not really belong. Still the current REP squad looks much stronger then SOH when they joined IC1.

Oh so when its ATL, ranking matters and length of time as a team matters. But when its REP...just LOOK at our roster... ok bud.

No, look at the rosters...

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Player - Games Morleyjoe - 8 GallantPellham - 2 Tiller - 11 Shoop76 - 11 Caymanmew - 15 Enormastitz - 12 Adolfo18 - 4 Swt Pimp - 8 Tin Trumpet - 14 Akabob2 - 5 Craigv - 12 Misteryforall - 11 GeneralTaken - 9 Kaiser Szami - 3 Craigv and Kaiser Szami joined after the start of IC1)

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DBandit70 - 4 Morleyjoe - 7 EagleByRob - 3 Phil Gates - 10 Tiller - 10 Shoop76 - 9 Caymanmew - 10 FrenchPupil - 3 Enormastitz - 8 Adolfo18 - 4 Swt Pimp - 8 Tin Trumpet - 10 Akabob2 - 4 Misteryforall - 8 GeneralTaken - 8 Kaiser Szami - 10 Elaterate - 8

That is the change from a clan relying on a few players who other than 3 new people who were relatively unknown and not experienced clan players to a clan that did not have a good record of leading ATL to success vs top clans. We had recently lost 34 - 9 to TOFU.

We changed drastically between April and September of 2018 and a number of new players with no reputation in clans joined and built a group into some different than it was.

REP is not a bunch of unknowns or question marks. Your players are well known as very good players, and many have experience playing together in clans competition.

There is no comparison to ATL's roster of June 2018.

[IcePack]

many have experience playing together in clans competition.

Say what? Not really. There might be a handful of people who’ve played extensively together but most of us came from a variety of places and do not have experience playing together in clan competitions. But even within the guys who came from the same clan, it’s not like swimmer and I were extensive partners or had much experience together even tho we came from the same clan.

Most of our people are out there practicing new teams and playing w new partners for their first games. Your impression of us is not exactly matching reality. Eventually, again I would agree we have top clan potential. But until those partnerships and experience is gained both on teams playing together and organizing and planning side were still a new group taking on our first few wars here.

[Caymanmew]

ATL IC1 as a replacement for HH in June 2018. We were ranked 16th, compared to RA at 14, and SOH at 9 we were far from favourites.

So it's ok to use ranking as an argument when it suits you, but not for REP?

REP is not even ranked...

But no I'd use rosters, as I have explained, ATL's roster changed a lot after joining IC1 and it was full of unknown new players. REP has a roster full of experienced clan members.

I had actually only been in the clan for 2 months, the same for GeneralTaken who joined with me. Misteryforall had been in the clan for a month and a half. Between the time we joined in June 2018 and the start of the finals in Dec 2018 we added Kaiser Szami, Elaterate, DBdanit70, and Phil Gates.

So there's you, a decent player. And a load of... other players. Nobody who's really going to take you from a top 20 to a top 10 clan, let's be realistic. Although I will admit ATL were a husk of their former selves at that time, so new players were needed no matter how adequate. ATL has a small group of very good players, and a load of people you can count on to do their part (most of the time). Sounds similar to how REP looks, in my opinion at least.

Call them others if you want but they make up half the core of the ATL that avoided relegations in PD for two years in a row as well as having close wars with a number of other clans we are currently ranked near. ATL improvement was not off the back of any single player but rather solid recruitments that brought in a bunch of good players that helped ATL improve from a top 20 clan to a top 10 clan.

Additionally, I was added as a leader and took over war planning.

You took over war planning for the first time, just like swimmer is for REP now. Sounds similar.

ATL was spamming wars, by the time of the finals I had 5 wars under my belt as either planner or assistant planner well as CLX.

At the start of IC1, I'd say SOH was the clear favourite and did not really belong. Still the current REP squad looks much stronger then SOH when they joined IC1.

I don't think SOH have ever been favourites to win anything, ever. They had one good League season that was completely unexpected and likely an overperformance and then imploded. That was it.

so your saying ATL was the favourite at the start of IC1?

[Caymanmew]

many have experience playing together in clans competition.

Say what? Not really. There might be a handful of people who’ve played extensively together but most of us came from a variety of places and do not have experience playing together in clan competitions. But even within the guys who came from the same clan, it’s not like swimmer and I were extensive partners or had much experience together even tho we came from the same clan.

Most of our people are out there practicing new teams and playing w new partners for their first games. Your impression of us is not exactly matching reality. Eventually, again I would agree we have top clan potential. But until those partnerships and experience is gained both on teams playing together and organizing and planning side were still a new group taking on our first few wars here.

I am not going to go through everyone on your clan, but you and swimmer have 43 games as partners, 15 of them clan games. Maybe not extensive partners but far from "not much experience together"

[iAmCaffeine]

That is the change from a clan relying on a few players who other than 3 new people who were relatively unknown and not experienced clan players to a clan that did not have a good record of leading ATL to success vs top clans. We had recently lost 34 - 9 to TOFU.

We changed drastically between April and September of 2018 and a number of new players with no reputation in clans joined and built a group into some different than it was.

Your roster vs RA had 10 players taking 8+ games. Your roster vs SOH had 11 players taking 8+ games. Drastic change indeed.

REP is not a bunch of unknowns or question marks. Your players are well known as very good players, and many have experience playing together in clans competition.

You know a lot less about REP's players than you think.

But no I'd use rosters, as I have explained, ATL's roster changed a lot after joining IC1 and it was full of unknown new players. REP has a roster full of experienced clan members.

How do you rank based on rosters? Are you high? Imagine if the Cup or League were organised based on a clan's roster. Imagine basing S&M's ranking on their roster despite denthefrog, foxglove, hatchman, killmanic, laddida, laughingcavalier, sjnap and swifte are all inactive. They'd be ranked #1 in every single event regardless of anything else, just because their roster is so stacked. On top of that, you don't know how many games each player is going to take and how many of their preferred maps they'll play. This is the dumbest thing I've heard in a while.

Call them others if you want but they make up half the core of the ATL that avoided relegations in PD for two years in a row as well as having close wars with a number of other clans we are currently ranked near.

Avoiding relegation and having close wars don't exactly sound like high points.

ATL improvement was not off the back of any single player but rather solid recruitments that brought in a bunch of good players that helped ATL improve from a top 20 clan to a top 10 clan.

As well as other clans deteriorating, sure.

ATL was spamming wars, by the time of the finals I had 5 wars under my belt as either planner or assistant planner well as CLX.

So you had more experience planning wars than Swimmer, got it.

so your saying ATL was the favourite at the start of IC1?

No idea. But you had an easier run than REP have.

[Swimmerdude99]

While I agree we have some name recognition, I think the thing that might be missing from some of your analysis is that a lot of our players also haven't competed at a high level recently. We also don't have a ton of home map practice, high intensity etc. Its kinda a bit of a ragtag crew of people that just like each other. To make a point, players like ljex, dwilhelmi, the voice, thespacecowboy etc. Haven't been onsite in literally years. And in the last 6-12 months are remembering the little minor tricks on maps etc, and are missing a lot of map knowledge that other constant players would have just in general from having played games.

I'm hopeful for our future, but feel a lot of these comparisons are apples to oranges in the end. I'm not all that familiar with the history of ATL, but I don't remember thinking anyone else was going to win that IC once ATL was in it. I suppose somewhat similar to how you guys seem to view us. Perhaps not warranted, but I think that was generally the popular opinion and bets were likely something like 1:10 odds otherwise, in my book.

so your saying ATL was the favourite at the start of IC1?

No idea. But you had an easier run than REP have.

I would also echo this sentiment. There are actually a couple of clans with enough start luck etc, in a 41 game war that could easily flip the 3 or 4 games needed to beat us out. Many of the competition in IC1 I'm really assuming couldn't come close... (though I'd need to look back at the results of those wars). I'm imagining our wars (if we get past the first) will likely be within the same margin as our RGV war was. We are face pretty established clans/leadership which we do not have.

I mean look at me. I know how to swim, not play risk. I think we can all agree on that

EDIT: I stand corrected, I looked at IC1, and those matches were much closer than I remember. My post is only somewhat valid now. Please do not hurt me

[HardAttack]

Starting from https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... w#p5198627 TO https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... w#p5198650

in 150 minutes of time period, 18 posts, and all 18 posts are OFF TOPICs
Some of these 18 posts are back to back from same users, and all of these are between 3 users....

What is this really ?
ATL is this, ICON is that, ahh noooo REP is something beyond bla bla bla and bla...
What do these contribute to the topic, would you please teach me ?

What surprises me more is, two of three users in these OFF TOPICs are moderators...
Amazing, just so amazing.

Would you please take your whose pencil is bigger dialog somewhere else ? And stand loyal to common public sense ?
What is the logical difference in between REPLY TO ALL in PMs and posting back back back and back in Public Forum ?

As moderators are here to invite us to show loyal into rules, then I feel amused to invite some moderators make themselves examples staying and keeping in rules TOO.... and please.

Peace

[TheSpaceCowboy]

I wouldn't give too much credence to the REP roster.

A pack of Has Beens and some May Be's. . .

Best of luck to all participants in the IC3!!

[IcePack]

Starting from https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... w#p5198627 TO https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... w#p5198650

in 150 minutes of time period, 18 posts, and all 18 posts are OFF TOPICs
Some of these 18 posts are back to back from same users, and all of these are between 3 users....

What is this really ?
ATL is this, ICON is that, ahh noooo REP is something beyond bla bla bla and bla...
What do these contribute to the topic, would you please teach me ?

What surprises me more is, two of three users in these OFF TOPICs are moderators...
Amazing, just so amazing.

Would you please take your whose pencil is bigger dialog somewhere else ? And stand loyal to common public sense ?
What is the logical difference in between REPLY TO ALL in PMs and posting back back back and back in Public Forum ?

As moderators are here to invite us to show loyal into rules, then I feel amused to invite some moderators make themselves examples staying and keeping in rules TOO.... and please.

Peace

Much as I don’t care for the debate, saying it’s off topic is pretty disingenuous. Someone said REP was farming and didn’t belong in the event, the discussion taking place directly related to those comments literally related to the event and clans who are participating in.

Not only as a participate but as the TO and organizer who planned and invited the clans

Anyway looking forward to it and good luck to everyone

[Nut Shot Scott]

I mean look at me. I know how to swim, not play risk. I think we can all agree on that

All those losses you've handed me are feeling very shat on right now lol

[Swimmerdude99]

I mean look at me. I know how to swim, not play risk. I think we can all agree on that

All those losses you've handed me are feeling very shat on right now lol

Are you hitting on me?

What surprises me more is, two of three users in these OFF TOPICs are moderators...
Amazing, just so amazing.

Your ability to troll is top notch. The discussion is about ICs so don't really see your problem with it.

[BabySasuke]

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[b][size=150]Starting from[/size][/b] https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=441&t=235607&p=5198627&view=show#p5198627 [size=150][b]TO [/b][/size]https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=441&t=235607&start=25&p=5198650&view=show#p5198650 in 150 minutes of time period, 18 posts, and all 18 posts are [b][size=150]OFF TOPICs[/size][/b] Some of these 18 posts are back to back from same users, and all of these are between 3 users.... What is this really ? ATL is this, ICON is that, ahh noooo REP is something beyond bla bla bla and bla... What do these contribute to the topic, would you please teach me ? What surprises me more is, two of three users in these OFF TOPICs are moderators... =D> =D> =D> Amazing, just so amazing. Would you please take your whose pencil is bigger dialog somewhere else ? And stand loyal to common public sense ? What is the logical difference in between REPLY TO ALL in PMs and posting back back back and back in Public Forum ? As moderators are here to invite us to show loyal into rules, then I feel amused to invite some moderators make themselves examples staying and keeping in rules TOO.... and please. Peace O:)

could you be anymore obsessive and disorientated?

[IcePack]

Tournament Update:

VNM vs GON: Sent message checking in on war thread / negotiation status
KNT vs BOB: Sent message checking in on war thread / negotiation status
LOW vs DBD: War has started early, requested DBD send Round 1 games to database area as required
RET vs REP: War has not started, but is scheduled to start on time on the 29th.

[IcePack]

Tournament Update:

- 3rd Post Updated with All War Links
- RET vs REP has exchanged but not filled Round 2 Games
- LOW vs DBD has exchanged and filled both Rounds of Games
- KNT vs BOB has progressed Round 1 well, PM sent to both parties regarding timing of Round 2.
- GON has advanced over VNM after consultation with CD's. Unfortunately, VNM has some stuff going on and withdrew

[IcePack]

KNT & BOB have created and exchanged Round 2 games, good luck to both parties!

[IcePack]

Congrats to LOW for advancing to the next Round!

[IcePack]

Congrats to KNT for advancing to the next Round!

[IcePack]

Congrats to REP for advancing to the next Round!

[IcePack]

Semi-Finals Wars:

GON vs KNT: https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 1&t=236046

LOW vs REP: https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 1&t=236107

[Swimmerdude99]

I was too busy looking at our roster to manage to make us undefeated this war, like the peanut gallery was sure of