Conquer Club

betiko wrote:

jimboston wrote:

betiko wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:So, it's true what they say, that your polls close at 7, so working people don't have time to get home after work, feed the kids, and still make it to the polls?

Here, we generally close the polls at 9:30. I guess respect for working people is a luxury I shouldn't take for granted.

we vote only on sundays and polls close at 8. and at 8:01 we know who our president is and he starts straight away, not 2 month later.
Also, the vote of each of our citizens counts the same.

I think they should have in-person polls for a week... and mail-in only if requested and only if you state a valid reason.
There SHOULD be some barriers to voting... like caring.

The idea that we have a lame-duck president for months after the election... that’s a remnant of a time when communication took longer.
It’d be nice if we could put bipartisanism aside and make this a faster transition.

People like to complain about the Electoral College, but these are people who generally don’t understand our country and our founding.

There’s an argument to be made that we should get rid of it. It’s not valid however to state that an election is ‘stolen’ or ‘unfair’ or anything else like that because some losing candidate “won the popular vote”. The “popular vote” is meaningless in our system and crying about it after the fact is the same as a 9yo crying about losing because the “rules were unfair”. If there was a different system candidates would run campaigns differently, and people would vote differently, and so you can’t assume the “winner” of the “popular vote” would “win” if the system was changed prior to the fact.

so can you explain howfair it is that depending on your state your vote has more or less weight? the electoral college system is not accurate in terms of population per state. Also... candidates end up campaigning actually only for swinging states and take some states for granted.
If all votes counted the same... you would campaign for sociodemographics... not for locations

The President of the European Commission isn't directly elected either. Neither is the Secretary-General of the UN.

President Trump is the head of the Union of States, therefore, the members of the Union of States (the states) elect him. It wouldn't make sense if the people elected him. The individual people aren't members of the Union of States.

Good News: Westmoreland County, Virginia is currently leading for Trump by a large margin. Westmoreland County has voted for the eventual president in each of the last 30 elections.

Bad News: Biden leading in Ohio. Ohio has voted for the eventual president in each of the last 31 elections.

jimboston wrote:

betiko wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:So, it's true what they say, that your polls close at 7, so working people don't have time to get home after work, feed the kids, and still make it to the polls?

Here, we generally close the polls at 9:30. I guess respect for working people is a luxury I shouldn't take for granted.

we vote only on sundays and polls close at 8. and at 8:01 we know who our president is and he starts straight away, not 2 month later.
Also, the vote of each of our citizens counts the same.

I think they should have in-person polls for a week... and mail-in only if requested and only if you state a valid reason.
There SHOULD be some barriers to voting... like caring.

WOW, JB and CLASSIC SAXI agree on something?

Some are now saying Trump may take Florida. But it's too soon to tell for sure! Vox is saying that returns indicate a large-scale defection of Hispanic voters from the Democratic Party to the Grand Ol' Party has helped secure the state for Trump.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... tinos-cuba

NORTH CAROLINA
The New York Times is projecting there is a 78% chance Trump wins North Carolina.
FOX News is projecting there's an 82% Biden wins North Carolina.

THE SENATE

Since it’s looking less and less like we’ll see a Democratic blowout tonight, this has consequences, even if Democrats eventually win the trifecta. For one, it makes it harder for Republicans to move on from Trump’s hold on the party, since Trump will likely wind up having overperformed expectations. A return of moderate Republicans was already unlikely, but it is becoming less and less so by the minute tonight. Second, it will make it harder for Democrats to get much done. They really need 52 or 53 seats in the Senate to have a chance at getting rid of the filibuster and moving some major legislation. That’s looking less likely right now.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/2 ... -coverage/

TRUMP JUST DECLARED VICTORY!

And it appears the GOP only lost one Senate seat net. John James beats Gary Peters in Florida, meaning two of the three African-American men in the U.S. Senate are now Republicans. The GOP is the party of the Black man.

As a final jab at the press, the Marine Band played The Washington Post March as the President descended from the dais.



And he won Florida by the biggest percentage of any GOP president since Bush in 2004. Thank you, Li'l Pump for your endorsement!

220 to 213 for Biden!
that looks like trumps is a looooooooser again... a very sore one! although it's not like he hasn't been saying it for ages

THANK YOU KENOSHA!!! THANK YOU BLM!!!

Trump may take Wisconsin thanks to Kenosha County. His razor thin victory was buoyed by Kenosha County. In 2016, he only got 49% of the Kenosha vote, but this year he earned 60% after BLM supporters burned the city down earlier this summer.

Trump could not have won this election without Black Lives Matter! Thank you, BLM, for delivering Kenosha to the President!

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Also, according to exit polls, Trump won:

- 36% of Hispanic men
- 28% of homosexuals
- 40% of union members
- 52% of veterans
- 25% of Pro-Choicers
- 10% of people who didn't feel he should be president
- 4% of 2016 Hillary voters
- A majority of white 18-29 year olds
- 50% of white female university grads

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... ident.html

betiko wrote:220 to 213 for Biden!

You need 270 to win, Friend Betiko!

saxitoxin wrote:

betiko wrote:220 to 213 for Biden!

You need 270 to win, Friend Betiko!

I know, but we have decided that the first one to 220 wins.

betiko wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

betiko wrote:220 to 213 for Biden!

You need 270 to win, Friend Betiko!

I know, but we have decided that the first one to 220 wins.

We may have to have a Friendship Family discussion about that.

saxitoxin wrote:

betiko wrote:

jimboston wrote:

betiko wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:So, it's true what they say, that your polls close at 7, so working people don't have time to get home after work, feed the kids, and still make it to the polls?

Here, we generally close the polls at 9:30. I guess respect for working people is a luxury I shouldn't take for granted.

we vote only on sundays and polls close at 8. and at 8:01 we know who our president is and he starts straight away, not 2 month later.
Also, the vote of each of our citizens counts the same.

I think they should have in-person polls for a week... and mail-in only if requested and only if you state a valid reason.
There SHOULD be some barriers to voting... like caring.

The idea that we have a lame-duck president for months after the election... that’s a remnant of a time when communication took longer.
It’d be nice if we could put bipartisanism aside and make this a faster transition.

People like to complain about the Electoral College, but these are people who generally don’t understand our country and our founding.

There’s an argument to be made that we should get rid of it. It’s not valid however to state that an election is ‘stolen’ or ‘unfair’ or anything else like that because some losing candidate “won the popular vote”. The “popular vote” is meaningless in our system and crying about it after the fact is the same as a 9yo crying about losing because the “rules were unfair”. If there was a different system candidates would run campaigns differently, and people would vote differently, and so you can’t assume the “winner” of the “popular vote” would “win” if the system was changed prior to the fact.

so can you explain howfair it is that depending on your state your vote has more or less weight? the electoral college system is not accurate in terms of population per state. Also... candidates end up campaigning actually only for swinging states and take some states for granted.
If all votes counted the same... you would campaign for sociodemographics... not for locations

The President of the European Commission isn't directly elected either. Neither is the Secretary-General of the UN.

President Trump is the head of the Union of States, therefore, the members of the Union of States (the states) elect him. It wouldn't make sense if the people elected him. The individual people aren't members of the Union of States.

so why don't you give each state a precise number of elecoral college votes based on the precise population voting for each election with at least 2 numbers behind the coma? that would make things much more fair. If you vote in wyoming, your vote counts 2,97 and if you vote in florida your vote counts 0,78. Basically, you need 4 floridian votes for 1 from wyoming. How on earth can you justify that and find it democratic?

Well, it was a valiant effort from Biden. But the 2020 Election map is shaping out to be pretty much the same as the 2016 election (+/- Nevada)...

The only way Trump loses is if there are ballots "found."

Jdsizzleslice wrote:Well, it was a valiant effort from Biden. But the 2020 Election map is shaping out to be pretty much the same as the 2016 election (+/- Nevada)...

The only way Trump loses is if there are ballots "found."

Bookmakers now have Biden as the 1/4 odd on favourite to win.

Best Case Scenario for Biden
Holds narrow leads in Nevada, Michigan, Wisconsin - comes from behind to take Pennsylvania

Biden wins 290-248

Most Likely Scenario
Trump holds narrow lead in Pennsylvania - Biden holds narrow leads in Nevada, Michigan, Wisconsin

Biden wins 272-268

Best Case Scenario for Trump
Holds narrow lead in Pennsylvania - comes from behind to take either Nevada or Michigan

Trump wins 274-264 or Trump wins 284-254

Biden looks screwed even if he wins

At a minimum, the lackluster performance of Democratic Senate candidates would hamstring a President Biden from Day One.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/0 ... ins-434013

If Biden ends up stealing the election, Republicans can still utterly destroy the oldest president in history as both a politician and as a person. The GOP still controls the Senate, the GOP has eaten into the Democratic House majority, and Biden will have underperformed in the election. Plus, we now control more state governments than a week ago and Trump is still in charge of deciding the final census results. We can now spend the next two years redrawing every legislative and congressional district in America to favor the GOP.

On his way out the door, Trump can do extreme damage. Moving forward, the GOP-run Senate can announce it will refuse to enact a single piece of legislation or confirm a single judge in the next two years. Refuse to pass any budget and let the government shut down for weeks on end so that Americans associate paralysis and failure with a Democratic presidency. Launch a revolving door of investigations into Biden to drain his personal finances on lawyers. Watch his leftist base erode as he has to pay back so-called Lincoln Republicans with cabinet posts. Sue Biden for everything - sue Biden if he closes the door to the Oval Office and sue him if he leaves it open. Appeal every lawsuit to the Trump-chosen Supreme Court.

So you plan to burn everything win or lose?

saxi/republcan party = butthurt losers...

Democrats in SHOCK

'Dumpster fire': House Democrats trade blame after Tuesday's damage

House Democrats are asking themselves one question after Tuesday’s election stunner: What the hell happened?

In the House, bleary-eyed Democrats were still sorting out the wreckage when they awoke Wednesday with dozens of their members’ races still uncalled and not a single GOP incumbent ousted — an outcome that virtually no one in the party had predicted in a year in which Democrats were going on the offense deep in Trump country.

Even with tens of thousands of ballots still to be counted, shell-shocked Democratic lawmakers, strategists and aides privately began trying to pin the blame: The unreliable polls. The GOP’s law-and-order message amid a summer of unrest. The “hidden Trump voters.” The impeachment hangover. The lack of a coronavirus stimulus deal.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/0 ... 020-434044

With the Democrats confused and reeling - some of their own leaders about to lose their congressional seats in close races - now is the time for Trump to strike and use the full machinery of the presidency to crush the resistance and ensure his administration for another four years (minimum). We control the Army, the Police, the Courts, the Senate, the legislatures in each swing state that hasn't been called, and have 10,000 lawyers on retainer.

The results are in, it's official! The lawyers win again!

oops typo edited

10, 000? wow - such an even, precise number.

December 14 is the target. We just need to drag this out in the courts for 40 days so that enough electors are still being litigated that Biden gets fewer than 270 votes.

Forty days and 40 nights we need to keep wandering, like Moses or whoever the Bible dude was.

Then Leader McCarthy and his droogs in the House will be able to reelect Donald Trump as president!

betiko wrote:

jimboston wrote:

betiko wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:So, it's true what they say, that your polls close at 7, so working people don't have time to get home after work, feed the kids, and still make it to the polls?

Here, we generally close the polls at 9:30. I guess respect for working people is a luxury I shouldn't take for granted.

we vote only on sundays and polls close at 8. and at 8:01 we know who our president is and he starts straight away, not 2 month later.
Also, the vote of each of our citizens counts the same.

I think they should have in-person polls for a week... and mail-in only if requested and only if you state a valid reason.
There SHOULD be some barriers to voting... like caring.

The idea that we have a lame-duck president for months after the election... that’s a remnant of a time when communication took longer.
It’d be nice if we could put bipartisanism aside and make this a faster transition.

People like to complain about the Electoral College, but these are people who generally don’t understand our country and our founding.

There’s an argument to be made that we should get rid of it. It’s not valid however to state that an election is ‘stolen’ or ‘unfair’ or anything else like that because some losing candidate “won the popular vote”. The “popular vote” is meaningless in our system and crying about it after the fact is the same as a 9yo crying about losing because the “rules were unfair”. If there was a different system candidates would run campaigns differently, and people would vote differently, and so you can’t assume the “winner” of the “popular vote” would “win” if the system was changed prior to the fact.

so can you explain howfair it is that depending on your state your vote has more or less weight? the electoral college system is not accurate in terms of population per state. Also... candidates end up campaigning actually only for swinging states and take some states for granted.
If all votes counted the same... you would campaign for sociodemographics... not for locations

It’s “fair” because those are the rules and everyone knows it.
It’s “fair” because we are a Constitutional Republic, and a collection of States... and not a Monolithic Democracy.
The voting power of people as represented in the Senate gives more power to people from low-population State also, why don’t people complain about that system?

I’m not saying it’s the best system.
I’m not saying I’m opposed to changing it, in a forward looking fashion.

Basically all I am saying is that it annoys me when people cry about the results and “fairness” after the fact.

Yes... if the vote was tallied in a different manner people would run in a different manner.
This may or may not be good. I’m open to ideas to change it IN THE FUTURE.

You could have many different methods of tallying the vote... one person one vote, one family one vote, ranked voting, run-off elections, voting by all residents not just citizens, voting based on tax burden, etc.

saxitoxin wrote:December 14 is the target. We just need to drag this out in the courts for 40 days so that enough electors are still being litigated that Biden gets fewer than 270 votes.

Forty days and 40 nights we need to keep wandering, like Moses or whoever the Bible dude was.

Then Leader McCarthy and his droogs in the House will be able to reelect Donald Trump as president!

You aren't giving any early shout-outs to the supreme court?

This must end. It's time for Trump to declare the election over and call out the Army to impose law and order.

The Democrats are now losing their minds over their defeat. Democrats have started attacking voters with knives, and Biden - unsatisfied with the outcome the voters have given - is now lawyering up to try to get a win in the courts and bypass the election results.

didn't you just post that "you guys" have 10, 000 lawyers on retainer?