Classic Cities Jakarta [Quenched]

koontz1973 · Post by **koontz1973** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:04 am

Version 4.
[bigimg]http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/9961/jakarta.jpg[/bigimg]
Sorted the text and background, glows, buildings, territ lines and rivers.

natty dread · Post by **natty dread** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:29 pm

Ok, the background is good enough for now (although I'd suggest making the right side the same colour as the left... the current right side looks too much like some of the territory colours). The legend font... well, it's not one I'd personally choose, but good enough.

The territory labels... I think you could make them larger. You have more than enough space for it. Also... which font is that? It looks like some letters are smaller than others... do you have auto-hinting on in the text settings?

koontz1973 · Post by **koontz1973** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:35 pm

natty_dread wrote:Ok, the background is good enough for now (although I'd suggest making the right side the same colour as the left... the current right side looks too much like some of the territory colours). The legend font... well, it's not one I'd personally choose, but good enough.

The territory labels... I think you could make them larger. You have more than enough space for it. Also... which font is that? It looks like some letters are smaller than others... do you have auto-hinting on in the text settings?

This is the font, one of the ones you chose.

http://www.dafont.com/alte-haas-grotesk.font
Will change the background colour.
Legend font is nice, I like it. Different at least and no one can say it is a windows doc.
Text size, if I go up one, some move over territ lines. Do not mind the redraw but would rather keep it as close as it is now for a proper representation of the city. The e is smaller for some reason. Colour of the legend, I want it to stand out but can easily change it.

koontz1973 · Post by **koontz1973** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:53 am

V5
[bigimg]http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3343/jakarta.png[/bigimg]
Text is sorted.

Sticky please.

natty dread · Post by **natty dread** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:36 am

Ok, the text looks much better now.

Now... there are a few places where the borders are a bit ambiguous. Jagakarsa - Cilandak: the border is so small it's easy to miss, same but opposite on Pesanggrahan - Cilandak: the territory in between, Lama, is so narrow near the land edge that it could cause confusion... I suggest making those a bit clearer.

koontz1973 · Post by **koontz1973** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:56 am

natty_dread wrote:Ok, the text looks much better now.

Now... there are a few places where the borders are a bit ambiguous. Jagakarsa - Cilandak: the border is so small it's easy to miss, same but opposite on Pesanggrahan - Cilandak: the territory in between, Lama, is so narrow near the land edge that it could cause confusion... I suggest making those a bit clearer.

Like this then.
[bigimg]http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3343/jakarta.png[/bigimg]

The Bison King · Post by **The Bison King** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:59 am

I think this is over due for a sticky

koontz1973 · Post by **koontz1973** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:11 pm

Thanks TBK, was starting to get that sinking feeling. Made my day this has.

That just goes to show how bad today has been.

koontz1973 · Post by **koontz1973** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:23 pm

OK, as we move out of the drafting room into the main part of the foundry, I would like to try and leave graphics alone and concentrate on gameplay. As this is a classic city, I would rather not provide a mediocre map that will get played once or twice and then forgotten. So, everything is open to debate from bonus zones, values, impassables, neutral values. Open or closed style. Everything. The only thing that will be closed to debate is the territ lines. As this is the city as is so moving them, you remove the city. I tweaked them for natty as he made the point of clarity but the gameplay was not compromised.

After that, we can get onto graphics but please leave any ideas you have.

Lets have your ideas then. This is your map.

Industrial Helix · Post by **Industrial Helix** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:22 pm

I know you want to focus more on tackling gp atm, but I think a minimap might hep clarify the legend because, imo your colors don't match.

And do they really not use bridges in Jakarta? because so many ferries seems ineffcient and the mp might benefit graphically from some bridges.

So the gp looks pretty good to me and I guess I just have graphics comments for future consideration. Though really I'd recommend making small graphic changes as you go along, even if you're focusing on gp atm.

koontz1973 · Post by **koontz1973** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:10 am

Bridges can go in, no problem and a mini map is always a good idea. Will add them to the list of things to do.

Jakarta had a river ferry service that had to close down because of the rubbish in the rivers. When I read that, it seemed different than having bridges, but why not have bridges.

koontz1973 · Post by **koontz1973** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:06 am

Added the mini map and bridges. Starting to work on the river.
Reduced the Airport neutral to 3 so it comes into play earlier.
Version 4.
[bigimg]http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3343/jakarta.png[/bigimg]

Industrial Helix · Post by **Industrial Helix** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:31 pm

unfortunately, you still gotta name your bonus regions, but the minimap looks great imo... i think you can squeeze some names on there. The bridges are a little weak imo. you might try some freeway style bridges or even some wooden ones.

koontz1973 · Post by **koontz1973** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:18 pm

Will do.

koontz1973 · Post by **koontz1973** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:44 am

Version 5
[bigimg]http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3343/jakarta.png[/bigimg]

Mini map names and new bridges. THe top two need to be scaled down some but need opinions on if these work first?

The Bison King · Post by **The Bison King** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:04 pm

And now I would say that this is over due for a stamps so...

Geger · Post by **Geger** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:31 am

Koontz asked me, what types of buildings fit every region.

(Note : I don't mind if you put rumah gadang on the map. Because that is the traditional building from Padang, Sumatra, where I come from. But other Indonesian will be angry, lol)

* Jakarta Barat (West Jakarta)

There is a big Landmark in this region : Taman Anggrek. This is a picture I found trough googling :

In this region there are many good Universities, one of them is Bina Nusantara, a good university for IT.

* Jakarata Selatan (South Jakarta)

Jakarta Selatan is the Shopping Paradise in Indonesia. These are 3 of them :

Blok M Mall

Cilandak Town Square

Pondoh Indah Mall

* Jakarta Pusat (centre Jakarta)

Only 1 building match this region : The Landmark of Jakarta

Monumen Nasional

* Jakarta Utara (North Jakarta)

Koontz already knows this is an Industrial Region. I have no idea what is the best building here.

* Jakarta Timur (East Jakarta)

The best place to visit here is Taman Mini Indonesia. And the location fit in the existing Legend on the Map.

Hope this helps

koontz1973 · Post by **koontz1973** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:29 am

Thanks a lot Geger. Hope to do some of those justice.

koontz1973 · Post by **koontz1973** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:37 am

Latest image.
[bigimg]http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/3343/jakarta.png[/bigimg]

Been a while,about time I got round to this one.

Are there any GP features that need to be addressed or is there anything else that someone would like to be put in?

isaiah40 · Post by **isaiah40** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 1:05 pm

Sorry for the delay, I will take a look again at this this evening.

isaiah40 · Post by **isaiah40** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:51 pm

At a close look, I thought "How does Andy have any game play value on the map?" Then it was like, oh the monkey is just for decoration! :lol:

Anyhow, I think that Pusat probably is a tad undervalued, considering that it is in the center of the map for all intensive purposes. Plus all but one territory borders another bonus. It could probably be increased to +7, maybe +8.

Where you have "Darker territories ..." Reword it to read " Like a true Classic City, Jakarta has many expats living there - darker territories - These ..." I think this makes it a little more clearer as to where the expats are. I'll get the other CA's to take a look at this, and maybe we can get this stamped soon!

Victor Sullivan · Post by **Victor Sullivan** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:24 pm

isaiah40 wrote:At a close look, I thought "How does Andy have any game play value on the map?" Then it was like, oh the monkey is just for decoration!

Anyhow, I think that Pusat probably is a tad undervalued, considering that it is in the center of the map for all intensive purposes. Plus all but one territory borders another bonus. It could probably be increased to +7, maybe +8.

Where you have "Darker territories ..." Reword it to read " Like a true Classic City, Jakarta has many expats living there - darker territories - These ..." I think this makes it a little more clearer as to where the expats are. I'll get the other CA's to take a look at this, and maybe we can get this stamped soon!

As isaiah said, Pusat would do much better as a +8. Also, I believe Timur should be upped to +5, as it's not much different from Selatan, which is of equal value.

-Sully

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:14 pm

I'm trying to hard to like this map, but just something about the mish-mash of styles and colors must be out of my taste, so I'm afraid I can't be of much help in the development.

Best of luck,

--Andy

isaiah40 · Post by **isaiah40** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 1:19 pm

Per map makers request, this map has been put on vacation.

[MOVED]

koontz1973 · Post by **koontz1973** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:40 am

After all the comments about the style not having a focus, I got to play around a bit and remembering a painting my father has, tried to emulate that. If it does not work, then back it can go till I find more of a focus.
[bigimg]http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/586/indonesiap.png[/bigimg]

Title needs to be worked over to bring it into line with the rest of the image but thought I would see if the community liked this approach.

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