notyou2 wrote:Who says those Democrats weren't doing the job they were elected to do? Perhaps the majority of their constituents, that elected them, do not support what the Republicans were attempting to do. If this is the case in each of their ridings, then I think they were representing their constituents.
There already exists a method for demonstrating that your constituents do not support a bill. It's called voting against the bill.
Yup, running away and hiding is not what they were elected to do. Please tell me they weren't being paid when they failed to show up for work. Is there any of us here who could do the same and still have a job to go back to?????
notyou2 wrote:Who says those Democrats weren't doing the job they were elected to do? Perhaps the majority of their constituents, that elected them, do not support what the Republicans were attempting to do. If this is the case in each of their ridings, then I think they were representing their constituents.
There already exists a method for demonstrating that your constituents do not support a bill. It's called voting against the bill.
They did vote. They voted with their feet.
Is that conventional politics? NO.
However, the Republicans are not playing conventional politics either. This indeed is a sad day for democracies everywhere.
AGAIN WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY YOU SHOULD READ UP ON WHAT A DEMOCRACY IS ACTUALLY WE ARE A REPUBLIC YOUR POINT IS NULL AND VOID!!!
I've heard this elsewhere and it's very much incorrect. The people of Wisconsin elected a legislature and a governor. ELECTED! DEMOCRATICALLY! And these individuals passed this law. This is a great day for democracy. It may be a sad day for the state employees unions in Wisconsin, however. Perhaps that's what you meant to say.
To paraphrase President Obama, "Tough shit, we won."
This is true. And I have the feeling this issue will resonate during the elections in Wisconsin the same way health care resonated last year.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
Doc_Brown wrote:Just to point out, the "political tactics" that the Republicans used to get this through were the equivalent of the Democrats using reconciliation to pass the Health Care Act. (And before you start arguing that this isn't true and I'm just distorting things because of a conservative bias, it was the self-acknowledged liberal, Nate Silver, that first noted this fact over on FiveThirtyEight.)
There was actually a story on NPR a couple weeks ago about the reason the Repubs up there are pushing the collective bargaining limitations so strongly. Apparently there's a prison in Wisconsin that costs about $350K per year to run. It houses exactly 1 inmate and employs six prison guards. A nearby county (possibly in Michigan?) has offered to house the prisoner, which would save the state $300K per year, but due to union agreements, union members cannot be laid off if their jobs are contracted out to other jurisdictions. It's issues like that that cause major headaches when they try to trim out wasteful spending and inefficient use of resources. Government moves slowly as it is. Unions also cause delays and hangups in organizational changes. When you combine the two, it's difficult to get much of anything done.
I've heard this elsewhere and it's very much incorrect. The people of Wisconsin elected a legislature and a governor. ELECTED! DEMOCRATICALLY! And these individuals passed this law. This is a great day for democracy. It may be a sad day for the state employees unions in Wisconsin, however. Perhaps that's what you meant to say.
To paraphrase President Obama, "Tough shit, we won."
This is true. And I have the feeling this issue will resonate during the elections in Wisconsin the same way health care resonated last year.
It depends on how the Wisconsin economy is doing before the next election. I don't think there are as many angry Wisconsinites as there are angry national union members.
WE HAVE A REPUBLIC!!!! ITS DIFFERENT!
