7 troops SHOULD be able kill a fucking SINGLE!

[L M S]

No matter how fucking random the dice are or whatever you fucking math tells you the "odds" are.
7 fucking troops SHOULD be able to kill a single EVERY TIME!
this is the issue.

You haven't played much Risk on a table, have you?

I have played hundreds of hours of RL Risk for 30+ years pointy ears, shut up and stay out of it, I don't care what you have to say.....ever.
And Natty, you are like talking to a brick wall so I could care less what you "think"; go light your hair on fire and then beat it out with a hammer.

[peanutsdad]

I feel for you. your right they should never lose 7-1, but hows this for you, in three different games over the last 2 weeks, i've had 18-2 lose, a 23-3 lose, and 16-1 lose... hows that for random freaking dice for you... 3 games that were destined to be a win, only to have that snatched out from underneath me with colossal bad dice... it's almost enough to make you quite...

but then i had 2 other games that i had 4 and they had 18 and 20 respectively, and i hit auto attack and next thing i know it's 3-1 and i win both... boy were those guys bitching....

[PLAYER57832]

No matter how fucking random the dice are or whatever you fucking math tells you the "odds" are.
7 fucking troops SHOULD be able to kill a single EVERY TIME!
this is the issue.

No, the issue is you are one more person who things that "random" means "equal" or at least "regular". This is just not true.

Probabilities are just that .. likelihoods, not certainties. Not only is losing 7 to one pretty common, so are even more skewed defeats. I won't do the math for you. But, let's say a particular roll has a probability of 1 in a million. That means that with enough millions of rolls, you will find it eventually average out to be 1 per million... eventually. Not every time. Some times may go several million without that occurance. Sometimes you may have multiple occurance within 1 million. Anyway, now fast forward to CC. You get several hundred thousand rolls every day. Good chance there are over a million rolls on most, if not all days. So, the average is that at least one of those on in a million roll combinations will happen several times a week, if not every day.

I have lost 30 armies to 1, but hitting "auto-attack". It is a very rare occurance (in over 3 years of playing, I have only had it happen the once) I now no longer use auto-attack unless I can afford to lose all my armies.

anyway, bottom line... study statistics before you claim you know what can and cannot be.

[L M S]

No matter how fucking random the dice are or whatever you fucking math tells you the "odds" are.
7 fucking troops SHOULD be able to kill a single EVERY TIME!
this is the issue.

No, the issue is you are one more person who things that "random" means "equal" or at least "regular". This is just not true.

Probabilities are just that .. likelihoods, not certainties. Not only is losing 7 to one pretty common, so are even more skewed defeats. I won't do the math for you. But, let's say a particular roll has a probability of 1 in a million. That means that with enough millions of rolls, you will find it eventually average out to be 1 per million... eventually. Not every time. Some times may go several million without that occurance. Sometimes you may have multiple occurance within 1 million. Anyway, now fast forward to CC. You get several hundred thousand rolls every day. Good chance there are over a million rolls on most, if not all days. So, the average is that at least one of those on in a million roll combinations will happen several times a week, if not every day.

I have lost 30 armies to 1, but hitting "auto-attack". It is a very rare occurance (in over 3 years of playing, I have only had it happen the once) I now no longer use auto-attack unless I can afford to lose all my armies.

anyway, bottom line... study statistics before you claim you know what can and cannot be.

And you are another one of those statistic guys that think I care what your opinion is, reality is you can go play in the street with your other probability moron friends. Bottom line, I don't give a f*ck if things even out over time for everyone on this site as an aggregate.....my experience is what matters to me and my dice fucking suck.
Maybe we should all have our own 'random' strings of 50000 numbers that we draw from, that way at least we would all be screwed equally....hell give us all the same 50000 random string and let us go through them in our own time, individually and we could all experience the same fucking bullshit dice together.
Or shut the f*ck up and let me vent, if you don't like these threads then don't read them.
That would be too perfectly rational now wouldn't it......

[Swimmerdude99]

Maybe that guy was master chief

like

[natty dread]

Natty, you are like talking to a brick wall so I could care less what you "think"; go light your hair on fire and then beat it out with a hammer.

At least your personal insults are more entertaining than that other guy's.

You posted on a public forum. I responded to your thread, as anyone on these forums is free to do. Then you start complaining when people post something you don't agree with.

If you just wanted to "vent", you could have posted on your wall, or on your clan forums or somewhere where you can count on your buddies to comfort you and not contradict your dice rants with petty things like, say, rational facts. But you didn't, instead you came on a public forum, so if people post opinions contrary to yours, and it ticks you off, you can really only blame yourself.


For the record, I too get bad dice at times. Yes, I've posted "FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU!#¤"&%¤&%¤&&#¤%23" on the gamechat, when I get a really bad streak of losing rolls. But I accept it as a part of the game. I mean, getting pissed off about it isn't going to do any good, it'd just make me feel miserable and everyone around me annoyed. So I try to put some perspective into things, and move on.


Oh, one more thing...

Maybe we should all have our own 'random' strings of 50000 numbers that we draw from, that way at least we would all be screwed equally....hell give us all the same 50000 random string and let us go through them in our own time, individually

Actually, in practice, you already sort of have that: since the dice file is the same for everyone, and the location the dice are read from is chosen at random for every assault, it is in effect the same as if every player had his own dice file - ie. other people's dice do not affect your dice in any way.

[L M S]

A bunch of unimportant stuff.

[PLAYER57832]

And you are another one of those statistic guys that think I care what your opinion is, reality is you can go play in the street with your other probability moron friends. Bottom line, I don't give a f*ck if things even out over time for everyone on this site as an aggregate.....my experience is what matters to me and my dice fucking suck.
Maybe we should all have our own 'random' strings of 50000 numbers that we draw from, that way at least we would all be screwed equally....hell give us all the same 50000 random string and let us go through them in our own time, individually and we could all experience the same fucking bullshit dice together.
Or shut the f*ck up and let me vent, if you don't like these threads then don't read them.
That would be too perfectly rational now wouldn't it......

#1, I am not a guy.

#2. BYE.. good riddance. We have enough crybaby spoil sports here already. If you can't even comprehend that a 7-1 loss is VERY NORMAL, then this site is better off without you.

But, it seems you insist on not only staying, but attempting to claim superiority to anyone who points out your ignorance. So... it is the rest of us who are laughing.

[mgconstruction]

Maybe we should all have our own 'random' strings of 50000 numbers that we draw from, that way at least we would all be screwed equally

If this is possible, I agree with this.

[L M S]

Even more stuff no one is paying attention too.

[tdans]

7-1 loss is VERY NORMAL

I lol'd at this.... If this is normal, don't ever team with me Ma'am..

[phantomzero]

While I agree that the dice can be frustrating sometimes, and that they are different then they were before, a 7 vs 1 should fail once in every 304 attempts.

Suck on those odds!

[Swimmerdude99]

7-1 loss is VERY NORMAL

I lol'd at this.... If this is normal, don't ever team with me Ma'am..

I'm gonna agree with her... I had two 7v1 losses two days ago and 1 6v1 but I'm not crying about it. That's the difference.

[tdans]

7-1 loss is VERY NORMAL

I lol'd at this.... If this is normal, don't ever team with me Ma'am..

I'm gonna agree with her... I had two 7v1 losses two days ago and 1 6v1 but I'm not crying about it. That's the difference.

Ive lost much more than that to a single.. but Its rare.. go ahead and agree, ya'll are terrible

[L M S]

While I agree that the dice can be frustrating sometimes, and that they are different then they were before, a 7 vs 1 should fail once in every 304 attempts.

Suck on those odds!

I hate to go travel this road so I will be brief (lol, if you know me that statement in itself has prepared you for the rant, lol). Stats say 1 in 304 (I'm taking your word on that number), problem is that is a SITE WIDE AVERAGE....INDIVIDUALLY speaking, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, it happens WAY TO MUCH TO ME. Perhaps I am the UNLUCKY asshole that ALWAYS lands on number 304 (for illustration purposes), MULTIPLE TIMES in any given day and I can absolutely say that I do not have a 7v1 opportunity multiple times in that same given day even though I may roll 1000's of dice.
THAT IS THE ISSUE THAT DRIVES THE "DICE HATERS" FUCKING CRAZY.
And the same one the "dice supporters" (read: people who have given in) argue in favor of ad nauseum.
They see the collective whereas I see the individual.
I get that the point is lost on many. I get that the issue is moot for most. I get that the solution has not and may never be found. I get that the constant mention of the dice becomes annoying to several of us. I get that my viewpoint may be dissimilar to someone else's and my arguments may mean little to those same people.
Whatever.
It is impossible for me to not care about each roll of the dice I make. I am a competitive dude and will always be such. To say that I should shut up because the dice even out over the long term SITE WIDE just pisses me off further. Frankly I don't give a f*ck about a site wide evening out, I want MY dice to be even....I'll take the bad as long as there is equal good to go along with it.

[L M S]

The same stupid, canned response as he has written a hundred times already.

[natty dread]

CC should just get this guy to handle all the dice rolls:

[L M S]

CC should just get this guy to handle all the dice rolls:

perhaps you are on to something....can we all have our own Dice Monkey?
I will love him and pet him and call him George.

[phantomzero]

I know that when they changed the dice they became what seems to me to be much more "streaky". I used to be able to KNOW what would happen when I hit AUTO, but now, not so much it seems. I've learned to adapt (given up) or maybe I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb...

[L M S]

I know that when they changed the dice they became what seems to me to be much more "streaky". I used to be able to KNOW what would happen when I hit AUTO, but now, not so much it seems. I've learned to adapt (given up) or maybe I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb...

sad indeed.

[Woodruff]

No matter how fucking random the dice are or whatever you fucking math tells you the "odds" are.
7 fucking troops SHOULD be able to kill a single EVERY TIME!
this is the issue.

You haven't played much Risk on a table, have you?

I have played hundreds of hours of RL Risk for 30+ years pointy ears, shut up and stay out of it, I don't care what you have to say.....ever.
And Natty, you are like talking to a brick wall so I could care less what you "think"; go light your hair on fire and then beat it out with a hammer.

Well, if you have played that much on a table, then I can only say you weren't paying very close attention if you believe this site acts particularly differently than those table games.

But with your diplomatic skills and velvet tongue, I can certainly see why you might view things from such a positive perspective.

THAT IS THE ISSUE THAT DRIVES THE "DICE HATERS" FUCKING CRAZY.

Quite frankly, what really drives the dice haters crazy is their own shitty perspective.

[Fruitcake]

This is all part of a general malaise that runs through this site.

The point the op is making, in fairly robust terms, is simple. We all understand this kind of event can happen, we all understand that it happens once in whatever times. What we don't understand is the next step of the equation which every one seems to ignore. That the frequency of oddities happening is greater than perhaps it should be and by some margin.

Now I neither know nor care whether it happens once in 304 times or anything else. What is being missed is that to take 304 turns which include that many armies against a single is rare. In other words it happens once in 304 times that these conditions exist, which may be once in 3000 turns, who knows. Take this a step further and multiply it by the number of people who have experienced this (I have for sure, but I cannot be bothered mentioning it to the authorities of the site as they really do not care) and you start to see a picture which definitely has skewed results. I can only say that often, when in a turn I have experienced incredible oddities in the dice rolls. I have lost 32 armies in a row before when against 2 defenders or more, in other words 3 dice v 2 dice (the dice roll page is posted somewhere here) I often lose 6/7 armies against 1 and with monotonous regularity lose when I have 5 on one territ against 1 defender. The dice have a very odd way of almost always losing when it is 5v1 with only slightly less regularity when I continue to 4v1 then (if this has been the case) nearly always it wins at 3v1.

These are not events one should experience every game and almost every turn the conditions occur, but they are. Maybe I am wrong, enlighten me.

[firth4eva]

Solution: swap the method used to get attack dice with the method used to generate defending dice. Watch as threads like these come up again.

[natty dread]

That the frequency of oddities happening is greater than perhaps it should be and by some margin.

Has someone actually measured this or is this all anecdotal?

[JoshyBoy]

That the frequency of oddities happening is greater than perhaps it should be and by some margin.

Has someone actually measured this or is this all anecdotal?

Yes, can you prove this?

To prove that the dice are worse or flawed, you would have to record every single roll rolled by every single player in every single game for a substantial period of time.

Then, to make a comparison, you would have to take a similar sample from say, a year ago, and compare the results.

That would be solid, concrete, evidence. Only then could we be justified in our complaints about the dice. I must admit, 7 should really kill 1. If you had seven men pointing shotguns at one man with an identical shotgun with three times the ammo he has, then they should really be able to kill him.