“Is Hamas a terrorist organization?"

[ksslemp]

I don't think it's a very simple question. After all, the argument given is totally incorrect - the US overthrew Saddam's regime violently, but the US didn't label itself a terrorist organization. Terrorism is the deliberate creation of fear in an enemy population to coerce them to do something. That's not the same as the violent destruction of Israel. That makes them warlike and destructive, it doesn't necessarily make them terrorists.

Sorry dude, but that's gotta be one of the most ignorant attempts at dancing around the truth that i've heard yet. You just compared out and out warfare to terrorism, then compare Hamas' methods to that of the US military. Like i said, ignorant.


Honibaz

If Hamas had the military capabilities of the USA I think they'd be engaging in out and out warfare, too. Are you implying military capabilities indicate whether a group is terroristic or not?

No, but who they target does. committing acts of "terror" against the civilian population makes you a terrorist.
Targeting militants trying to commit these acts does not. (yes, even if some civilians are killed in the process.)

It ain't brain surgery, take off your cumbaya glasses before replying.

[natty dread]

committing acts of "terror" against the civilian population makes you a terrorist.

By your definition, the US army is a terrorist organization.

http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/usa_mas ... _korea.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine ... erican_War
http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2010/0 ... ver-foiled

What do you think of that?

[SgtMadDog]

committing acts of "terror" against the civilian population makes you a terrorist.

By your definition, the US army is a terrorist organization.

http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/usa_mas ... _korea.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine ... erican_War
http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2010/0 ... ver-foiled

What do you think of that?

He's talking about specifically targeting civilians!!! don't play coy
You can't be that dense! Or maybe you could be?

[MeDeFe]

committing acts of "terror" against the civilian population makes you a terrorist.

By your definition, the US army is a terrorist organization.

http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/usa_mas ... _korea.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine ... erican_War
http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2010/0 ... ver-foiled

What do you think of that?

He's talking about specifically targeting civilians!!! don't play coy
You can't be that dense! Or maybe you could be?

So if Hamas targeted Israeli soldiers along with civilians they wouldn't be terrorists?

[SgtMadDog]

committing acts of "terror" against the civilian population makes you a terrorist.

By your definition, the US army is a terrorist organization.

http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/usa_mas ... _korea.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine ... erican_War
http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2010/0 ... ver-foiled

What do you think of that?

He's talking about specifically targeting civilians!!! don't play coy
You can't be that dense! Or maybe you could be?

So if Hamas targeted Israeli soldiers along with civilians they wouldn't be terrorists?

If they only went after military targets then yes they would have to be classified as something else.
key word "Targeted" not "along" with civilians. Targeting civilians makes them terrorists and evil s.o.b.'s

[MeDeFe]

committing acts of "terror" against the civilian population makes you a terrorist.

By your definition, the US army is a terrorist organization.

http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/usa_mas ... _korea.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine ... erican_War
http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2010/0 ... ver-foiled

What do you think of that?

He's talking about specifically targeting civilians!!! don't play coy
You can't be that dense! Or maybe you could be?

So if Hamas targeted Israeli soldiers along with civilians they wouldn't be terrorists?

If they only went after military targets then yes they would have to be classified as something else.
key word "Targeted" not "along" with civilians. Targeting civilians makes them terrorists and evil s.o.b.'s

You have just admitted that you consider the US Army a terrorist organization for targeting civilians along with military targets. Congratulations.

[SgtMadDog]

By your definition, the US army is a terrorist organization.

http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/usa_mas ... _korea.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine ... erican_War
http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2010/0 ... ver-foiled

What do you think of that?

He's talking about specifically targeting civilians!!! don't play coy
You can't be that dense! Or maybe you could be?[/quote]
So if Hamas targeted Israeli soldiers along with civilians they wouldn't be terrorists?[/quote]

If they only went after military targets then yes they would have to be classified as something else.
key word "Targeted" not "along" with civilians. Targeting civilians makes them terrorists and evil s.o.b.'s[/quote]
You have just admitted that you consider the US Army a terrorist organization for targeting civilians along with military targets. Congratulations.[/quote]

Two of these links are old news and have no bearing on the world today, and the third about the US Special Forces doesn't prove anything either. Do you actually believe that they went into that home hoping they would find some civilians to kill?
If so, you obviously know nothing of the Men of the Green Beret. Maybe you should talk to one of them sometime although in your case i'm certain it wouldn't change anything.

Always keep an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out!

P.S. the US military does not "Target civilians", so NO i didnt admit anything. I never included the two.
Either you can't read very well or you like to lie to protect an undefendable position. either way i feel sorry for you.

[natty dread]

P.S. the US military does not "Target civilians"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bom ... d_Nagasaki


if that's not "recent" enough for you, http://arkansasmatters.com/news-fulltext?nxd_id=344475

[SgtMadDog]

P.S. the US military does not "Target civilians"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bom ... d_Nagasaki


if that's not "recent" enough for you, http://arkansasmatters.com/news-fulltext?nxd_id=344475

I do hope you know it's 2010?
If not, then i suggest you get out of your bunker. The war is over and the good guys won!

[SgtMadDog]

P.S. the US military does not "Target civilians"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bom ... d_Nagasaki


if that's not "recent" enough for you, http://arkansasmatters.com/news-fulltext?nxd_id=344475

Accidents happen. But it isn't policy of the US military to target civilians.
drop the moral relativism, it doesnt make the world a better place and is for simple-minded people who dont want to have to think!

But of course living in Finland you havent had to do much of anything anyway.
such a simple life, sitting back doing nothing about the problems of the world, just complaining.
kind of like a 2 year old

[natty dread]

Your definition of "good guys" is someone who bombs two entire cities with nukes, killing thousands of innocent civilians and ruining the lives of those who survived, radiating the environment for years to come?


Or wait, is your argument "it was a long time ago so it doesn't matter?"

So the Nazis were ok people by your argument, because it happened a long time ago and we live in 2010 now?

[SgtMadDog]

Your definition of "good guys" is someone who bombs two entire cities with nukes, killing thousands of innocent civilians and ruining the lives of those who survived, radiating the environment for years to come?


Or wait, is your argument "it was a long time ago so it doesn't matter?"

So the Nazis were ok people by your argument, because it happened a long time ago and we live in 2010 now?

Were you dropped on your head as a child?
How many people would have died in an invasion of Japan? If you said "a hell of a lot more" then you are much smarter than i think you are. but i'm guessing you never gave much thought to that!

[Metsfanmax]

Your definition of "good guys" is someone who bombs two entire cities with nukes, killing thousands of innocent civilians and ruining the lives of those who survived, radiating the environment for years to come?


Or wait, is your argument "it was a long time ago so it doesn't matter?"

So the Nazis were ok people by your argument, because it happened a long time ago and we live in 2010 now?

You were winning the argument, you could have stopped before this. All that was necessary was to prove that the US has committed some of the acts that we use as evidence for labeling other groups as terrorists. The point is to prove that the definition is not black and white, it's not about whether what Hamas does is good or bad.

[SgtMadDog]

Your definition of "good guys" is someone who bombs two entire cities with nukes, killing thousands of innocent civilians and ruining the lives of those who survived, radiating the environment for years to come?


Or wait, is your argument "it was a long time ago so it doesn't matter?"

So the Nazis were ok people by your argument, because it happened a long time ago and we live in 2010 now?

You were winning the argument, you could have stopped before this. All that was necessary was to prove that the US has committed some of the acts that we use as evidence for labeling other groups as terrorists. The point is to prove that the definition is not black and white, it's not about whether what Hamas does is good or bad.

Knew you were a moral relativist. That explains your lack of common sense.
Let me explain: America GOOD, Hamas BAD.

[Metsfanmax]

Your definition of "good guys" is someone who bombs two entire cities with nukes, killing thousands of innocent civilians and ruining the lives of those who survived, radiating the environment for years to come?


Or wait, is your argument "it was a long time ago so it doesn't matter?"

So the Nazis were ok people by your argument, because it happened a long time ago and we live in 2010 now?

You were winning the argument, you could have stopped before this. All that was necessary was to prove that the US has committed some of the acts that we use as evidence for labeling other groups as terrorists. The point is to prove that the definition is not black and white, it's not about whether what Hamas does is good or bad.

Knew you were a moral relativist. That explains your lack of common sense.
Let me explain: America GOOD, Hamas BAD.

I am a moral relativist, but that is completely irrelevant here, because again, this debate is about whether it's fair to label Hamas as terrorists, not about whether they're good people or bad people. Read the title or the OP if you're confused about that.

You can call every "bad" organization a terrorist group if you want, but then you just completely devalue the word.

[SgtMadDog]

Your definition of "good guys" is someone who bombs two entire cities with nukes, killing thousands of innocent civilians and ruining the lives of those who survived, radiating the environment for years to come?


Or wait, is your argument "it was a long time ago so it doesn't matter?"

So the Nazis were ok people by your argument, because it happened a long time ago and we live in 2010 now?

You were winning the argument, you could have stopped before this. All that was necessary was to prove that the US has committed some of the acts that we use as evidence for labeling other groups as terrorists. The point is to prove that the definition is not black and white, it's not about whether what Hamas does is good or bad.

Knew you were a moral relativist. That explains your lack of common sense.
Let me explain: America GOOD, Hamas BAD.

I am a moral relativist, but that is completely irrelevant here, because again, this debate is about whether it's fair to label Hamas as terrorists, not about whether they're good people or bad people. Read the title or the OP if you're confused about that.

You can call every "bad" organization a terrorist group if you want, but then you just completely devalue the word.

HAHAHA, That's funny!!!!
By not calling them a Terrorist Organization you devalue the word!

[natty dread]

Let me explain: America GOOD, Hamas BAD.

I see now.

You are 12 years old.

[SgtMadDog]

Do you have any opinions that aren't GREY?

Must be terrible walking through life without really believing something.
Do you believe there are Good people and There are Bad people?

[natty dread]

SgtMadDog, let me explain this to you in simple terms.

Contrary to what you young americans learn from Disney films, there are no such things as absolute good or absolute evil, or "BAD" as you so eloquently put it, in real life.

In real life there are only people, with conflicting motives and agendas.

No person is "evil". Misguided, disturbed, perhaps, but there's no such thing as an evil person. Their deeds and actions may be considered evil, but that doesn't make the person evil, only misguided or disturbed, or possibly insane.

[SgtMadDog]

SgtMadDog, let me explain this to you in simple terms.

Contrary to what you young americans learn from Disney films, there are no such things as absolute good or absolute evil, or "BAD" as you so eloquently put it, in real life.

In real life there are only people, with conflicting motives and agendas.

There you go adding text into an argument that was never implied! You do this often.
Never said anyone or anything was absolutely Good or Evil. But Hamas is probably 80% Evil. For feeding people i'll be generous and give them the 20% even though i think they do it out of shame.

[SgtMadDog]

SgtMadDog, let me explain this to you in simple terms.

Contrary to what you young americans learn from Disney films, there are no such things as absolute good or absolute evil, or "BAD" as you so eloquently put it, in real life.

In real life there are only people, with conflicting motives and agendas.

No person is "evil". Misguided, disturbed, perhaps, but there's no such thing as an evil person. Their deeds and actions may be considered evil, but that doesn't make the person evil, only misguided or disturbed, or possibly insane.

I'm guessing people say this behind your back quite often.

[natty dread]

Adolescent and/or ignorant persons often resort to ad-hominem attacks when they realize they don't have the brain capacity to make any reasonable arguments.

[SgtMadDog]

Adolescent and/or ignorant persons often resort to ad-hominem attacks when they realize they don't have the brain capacity to make any reasonable arguments.

Or when they are arguing with persons incapable of comprehending.
latter being you. (just helping you to comprehend)

[SgtMadDog]

Adolescent and/or ignorant persons often resort to ad-hominem attacks when they realize they don't have the brain capacity to make any reasonable arguments.

Since you are the "Entertainment" contributor, i can only assume you were joking. Thanks for the giggles.

[b.k. barunt]

P.S. the US military does not "Target civilians"

Well then they've certainly changed their ways since Viet Nam. I served with 10th SF btw. Ever heard of PRU? The media called it "The Phoenix Program". The US Military targets whoeverthefuck they see fit to target. The only difference between the terrorists and the US Military is that terrorists openly attack civilians.

Just a brief historical note; Hiroshima and Nagasaki had far more civilian casualties than military. The firebombing of Dresden is another example. Dresden was by no means a military target in any way shape or form. It was a picturesque little city and was selected for firebombing because of the demoralizing effect it would have on the German people.

The most decorated soldier of the Korean War, Anthony Herbert, went to Viet Nam as a lieutenant colonel and commanded a battalion in the 173rd Airborne Division. He was slated for the school (i forget the name) that any prospective generals go to and he was a surefire candidate for general. He was forced into retirement when he insisted on bringing charges of war crimes against his commanding and executive officer in Viet Nam. His book "Soldier" was quickly relegated to out of print status in spite of it's popularity and remains so to this day.

I laugh at the goofy Liberals who think that Hamas is not a terrorist organization, but when the flag waving Conservatives say that our military "does not target civilians" that really chaps my ass.


Honibaz